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Post by Sorian on Dec 8, 2015 6:45:12 GMT -8
Holy shit, how didn't I see how obvious it was? It's risky to assume that no deaths is a good thing though. Whoever they targeted might be a dangerous neutral player or a lost partner. I personally find the lack of death more suspicious than the alternative, unless someone admits that they have a way to block deaths. The neutral can't be "dangerous" (like a serial killer) with town's win condition. What's really strange is that scum still doesn't quite get this. I think we may still trap scum for being scared of the Neutral. I completely forgot about that. Also I'm not sure about the idea of them targeting Sorian. I mean that is a stupid move even by my standards. Was Razmos just bad at keeping track of the scum thread or did they just not discuss it at length? By that I mean Setre is town and scum's though was "OK, then we won't target Setre or Sorian (the obvious doctor target)" and they focused on finding someone other than those two rather than WIFOMing what the doctor would do. Targeting Ultra seems way too unlikely unless he looked neutral on D2 without me noticing it or scum had a way of seeing Ultra being a power role. I still think a role blocker (Scrafty) blocking Razmos is the most likely explanation. A lot of GAF is just automatically scared of neutrals for some reason. Right when I saw our win condition and scum's win condition, it became obvious that neutrals in this game could win with either side and most likely had their own win condition that was independent of our town vs. scum thing. And yeah, if we take that second post at face value, maybe he was roleblocked. Still quite the gamble on Scrafty's part for pushing so hard on her roleblock target after just one killless night but more ppwer to her, it worked this time.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 8, 2015 7:03:55 GMT -8
Soft read on Scrafty. It's just convenient and she seems to behave like a power role. Razmos was already scummy so it makes sense to use him as the killer and to role block him. I really doubt scum were planning to bus Mazre.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 8, 2015 7:10:04 GMT -8
Soft read on Scrafty. It's just convenient and she seems to behave like a power role. Razmos was already scummy so it makes sense to use him as the killer and to role block him. I really doubt scum were planning to bus Mazre.They should have though But yes, Razmos would most definitely have been the killer. He was the wolf cub so in order of sacrifices, he would have been first so him getting caught by a watcher or something would have been fine.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 8, 2015 8:32:19 GMT -8
I just posted the following in Big Rico's for Absolut: "Just posting my last will just in case I die. Please refer back to my double post that I put in here about everything from day 3 and cross-reference it with whatever happens on day 4. Going into the night phase, I think you should be able to make an educated guess on who scum is. If I am dead, you have no way to communicate with the neutral but I'm sure you can find a way to hint to my other people in the thread if you are catching something that you think is important. Push Ferret hard today, if he role claims as Steve Carlsberg, then our neutral was telling me the truth and you should explain what is going on with the neutrals. Don't hint at who it could be but explain that our neutral is a night killer who chooses his kill at night and they die randomly during the next day. The neutral killer is Hiram McDaniels if people need flavor and his win condition is to kill 2 scum and 1 town or 3 town and 1 scum but after every two nights of killing, they have to take 1 night off. The neutral is set to kill who they think is scum during night 4 so we are asking to lynch the other neutral today to give our SK neutral time to work. If Hiram should miss and hit town during night 4, they are aware that we are going to be scum hunting on day 5 and it is possible that we may lynch a scum and end the game. I am going to cross post this over to Jerry's Tacos as well so everyone is on the same page in regards to my thoughts." In addition to that, all I have to add here is Jay, do keep in mind who we know is town and who has been acting scummy when choosing your target tomorrow night. It could be your last chance to win. Ty4on, if Absolut and I both happen to die tonight (the odds of that don't seem likely but just in case), everything I told him above to say in the thread, I would like you to report instead. Absolut is the only person alive who knows that you two are in Jerry's Tacos so if he were to be dead then you revealing information on the neutral would not link anyone to Jay (unless Bro is scum but I didn't tell Bro that Jay is NK immune so I'm fine if scum knows but the rest of the thread doesn't )
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 8, 2015 9:16:39 GMT -8
In foro abscondito sum. That means "I am in (the) secret forum" in Latin. I'll try to breadcrumb that into an early post should I be lynched before revealing.
Either But "I" saw "n"othing happening "f"or to "o"vercome ... or I need Ferret's own reading of ... or something similar. I'll put it into an early post. I was a too lazy today to have a finished post for it.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 8, 2015 9:19:37 GMT -8
In addition to that, all I have to add here is Jay, do keep in mind who we know is town and who has been acting scummy when choosing your target tomorrow night. It could be your last chance to win. Ty4on, if Absolut and I both happen to die tonight (the odds of that don't seem likely but just in case), everything I told him above to say in the thread, I would like you to report instead. Absolut is the only person alive who knows that you two are in Jerry's Tacos so if he were to be dead then you revealing information on the neutral would not link anyone to Jay (unless Bro is scum but I didn't tell Bro that Jay is NK immune so I'm fine if scum knows but the rest of the thread doesn't ) I'll keep this in mind. I have no problem putting myself in scum's crosshairs.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 8, 2015 9:23:59 GMT -8
In addition to that, all I have to add here is Jay, do keep in mind who we know is town and who has been acting scummy when choosing your target tomorrow night. It could be your last chance to win. Ty4on, if Absolut and I both happen to die tonight (the odds of that don't seem likely but just in case), everything I told him above to say in the thread, I would like you to report instead. Absolut is the only person alive who knows that you two are in Jerry's Tacos so if he were to be dead then you revealing information on the neutral would not link anyone to Jay (unless Bro is scum but I didn't tell Bro that Jay is NK immune so I'm fine if scum knows but the rest of the thread doesn't ) I'll keep this in mind. I have no problem putting myself in scum's crosshairs. Also, remember, if I am dead, pretend that there are 3 people in here instead of only two. You don't need to be upfront with that but if asked, you can mention it. Make scum think that killing you doesn't destroy this chat. Yes, it is a lie, but there is no way for them to know that, as far as they are concerned, I was alive for 3 days so I must have invited 3 people.
Watch me not be dead after all of this lol
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 8, 2015 9:27:02 GMT -8
I will probably try not to attack Ferret too much. A bit too obvious, especially if he reveals and Sorian reveals what he was doing.
I'm starting the day a bit empty. Karu and Stanley were never really discussed by our scum. Squidyj said he though Royal was our neutral, but the other two scum players never talked much about him.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 8, 2015 9:27:56 GMT -8
I'll keep this in mind. I have no problem putting myself in scum's crosshairs. Also, remember, if I am dead, pretend that there are 3 people in here instead of only two. You don't need to be upfront with that but if asked, you can mention it. Make scum think that killing you doesn't destroy this chat. Yes, it is a lie, but there is no way for them to know that, as far as they are concerned, I was alive for 3 days so I must have invited 3 people.
Watch me not be dead after all of this lol Ahh, good point. You decide if you're still alive.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 8, 2015 9:28:59 GMT -8
The best twist is me dying. I have zero stuff breadcrumbed and no role -_-.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 8, 2015 9:29:50 GMT -8
You've probably already linked this Sorian, but looks like a blocker to me: "If I had to like, pick my top 3 lamebrains I'd choose like, Razmos, Stan and Seath But aside from good ol' Razzy-kins, like, no baddies have really bared their teeth. He's like, the only one I'm sure of, so my vote will stay totally true But we can like, vote out two baddies today, so like, what are we gonna do?"
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Post by Sorian on Dec 8, 2015 9:32:33 GMT -8
Yes, if I am alive, I will be the main one against Ferret, if I die then Absolut should be the main one against Ferret, if we both die, then you would be the main one against Ferret. Basically in the order from me > Absolut > you, I expect someone to report the stuff I wrote out in here
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 8, 2015 9:33:49 GMT -8
All the last minute posts here are accurate representations of how I function :/
Seath is still hiding stuff if he really is a power role. Was probably a fake claim to prevent scum from hitting him, but... Logically deducting his thought process always leaves me more confused as a million contradictions are unraveled.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 8, 2015 9:36:11 GMT -8
Yes, if I am alive, I will be the main one against Ferret, if I die then Absolut should be the main one against Ferret, if we both die, then you would be the main one against Ferret. Basically in the order from me > Absolut > you, I expect someone to report the stuff I wrote out in here The backup to the backup. I like redundancies Would be a shame though if they target Coppa and he turns out to be a valuable power role. I'd love to take the hit for him, but can't :/
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Post by Sorian on Dec 8, 2015 9:37:30 GMT -8
Running down the list, it is possible that Coppa is our investigator :/
Hopefully he has breadcrumbed his results somewhere if that is the case but we'll see how it goes.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 8, 2015 9:39:55 GMT -8
I wish he posted like AB. Was a joy going through his posts in DR and his investigations were really overt in retrospect without scum figuring out what his real role was.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 8, 2015 9:41:35 GMT -8
I won't know until I see who the investigator is but usually read lists are fairly obvious in who the investigator checked.
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Post by Retro on Dec 10, 2015 10:34:47 GMT -8
Thread is now open.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 10, 2015 10:40:39 GMT -8
Karu better be scum. He better be the scummiest of the scum.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 10, 2015 10:41:30 GMT -8
Well Ultra, all you. If you are telling the truth then Karu is your bet. Scrafty isn't lying, I know she came off as sketchy but I had to magnify that a bit so people would listen to me. I got you your night, I doubt Scrafty is lying, your best move is to kill Karu tonight.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 10, 2015 10:41:55 GMT -8
At least Ferrets identity is known. Can't say I'm surprised... except, Scrafty REALLY hated the neutral. Like, she'd be okay with lynching them? Hmmmm?
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 10, 2015 10:42:22 GMT -8
Yeah, Karu is obviously scum. I'm kinda surprised scum team didn't make up an excuse for him.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 10, 2015 10:43:25 GMT -8
On a person to person note, please don't betray me. That was very difficult to pull off. I did not need to go out of my way to do all of that but I promised I would.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 10, 2015 10:44:30 GMT -8
Yeah, Karu is obviously scum. I'm kinda surprised scum team didn't make up an excuse for him. He really might be the last one left. I had to lie and say I thought two were left so that the Ferret lynch made sense (wonder where your lyncher is then, how odd they haven't been following all the votes) but I'm in the camp that they are down to their last man.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 10, 2015 10:45:53 GMT -8
At least Ferrets identity is known. Can't say I'm surprised... except, Scrafty REALLY hated the neutral. Like, she'd be okay with lynching them? Hmmmm? I told you some people REALLY hate neutrals. I'm not sure why but it is what it is. I don't think she is your lyncher if that is what you are trying to say.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 10, 2015 10:46:18 GMT -8
Got you. I really have no other options. My other candidates the earlier nights were Squidy, Seath, and Mike. LOL if I had killed Mike "Jokes on them I was only pretending to be retarded" Hawk because of his behavior thinking he couldn't be lynched because of his power. Doesn't stop night and day kills does it?
If we had NO other ideas at the point and we were running completely on empty I'd probably lynch Karu or Stanley because Mike and Seath kinda seemed to obvious to be scum.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 10, 2015 10:49:14 GMT -8
Got you. I really have no other options. My other candidates the earlier nights were Squidy, Seath, and Mike. LOL if I had killed Mike "Jokes on them I was only pretending to be retarded" Hawk because of his behavior thinking he couldn't be lynched because of his power. Doesn't stop night and day kills does it? If we had NO other ideas at the point and we were running completely on empty I'd probably lynch Karu or Stanley because Mike and Seath kinda seemed to obvious to be scum. No, his override only works on the vote so mafia and you could have killed him at any time.
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To Retro's flavor, nice work linking back to one of my favorite episodes. I was wrong on Ferret, I'm assuming the thread at large doesn't know what that means though.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 10, 2015 10:52:32 GMT -8
You might need to ask Retro this question (privately) so report back when you get an answer. Say Karu is scum, you kill him, you win. When do you leave the game? The death will take place halfway into the day phase, do you leave right when the kill is announced?
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 10, 2015 10:55:18 GMT -8
You were kinda hinting that you knew more about what you were doing with Ferret but didn't digress.
If I was thinking about not killing Karu and betraying anybody I would never have come out. You believed my ordinary town claim. You would have continued to believe that the killer was a good chance of being me, Ty4on, or Bro, but not be sure. I revealed myself because it was my best chance at winning after you clearly showed a liking towards neutrals and were on my side with Mazre's kill. Killing Mazre was a big chance on my part as it revealed my gossip chat presence. I would have killed Squidy instead.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 10, 2015 10:57:38 GMT -8
I have no idea. I assumed that the kill would occur and announced and then I leave otherwise I'd know I'd won at the beginning of the day phase. I really hope that the other neutral leaves the game too because I am curious, but they may have the stipulation that they need to survive until the end if I win.
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