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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 7:35:26 GMT -8
Why is that your favorite post? I was super afraid people were going to ask why I wanted to move discussion away from the haiku curse and Boo's death. I wasn't really concerned I would be found out (I mean, the more people talked about it the more shit they got wrong) but I did think we weren't getting anywhere with an actual lynch target. Because of this line "I don't think Sorian is going to be able to lead a vote train on Setre" It just makes me laugh every time I read past that part of the thread. I'm sure somewhere subconsciously I took it as a challenge. So anyway, I keep forgetting to ask. Why Boo N1?
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 10:03:01 GMT -8
Damn... I didn't read the rest but all Blarg needed to do was be the towniest town it seems to me. Damn... I didn't read the rest but all Blarg needed to do was be the towniest town it seems to me. Blarg was a cop once and announced to the entire thread that he was scum and that they should fear him. Blarg is fun people, stick around long enough and you'll have a good time. I've never had the joy of playing with him, but I love Blarg's playstyle. The scum claim was genius in retrospect, town was just too... town. I also need to make speaking in Latin an effect. Arma virumque cano If Coppa is Steve, how did he have the win condition? He shouldn't be town aligned and have a similar one to you (which I assume is completely different from ours).
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 10:38:41 GMT -8
Boo kept getting into arguments with people which made him an easy target. I needed to kill someone, didn't have any nails sticking out, and then I came across that big edited post. That skeeved me out. Plus people had slight scum reads on him so I wanted to see his flip.
Ty4on, I'm not sure what you're asking. I'm just paranoid whenever someone mentions they have slight suspicions about an unnamed person. I know Steve's win condition: lynching me. The big thing that got me was him saying it was someone that would be hard to swing votes to at the moment.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 10:41:36 GMT -8
Boo kept getting into arguments with people which made him an easy target. I needed to kill someone, didn't have any nails sticking out, and then I came across that big edited post. That skeeved me out. Plus people had slight scum reads on him so I wanted to see his flip. Ty4on, I'm not sure what you're asking. I'm just paranoid whenever someone mentions they have slight suspicions about an unnamed person. I know Steve's win condition: lynching me. The big thing that got me was him saying it was someone that would be hard to swing votes to at the moment. Look earlier in this thread. Coppa mentioned towns win condition when no one could have known it other than town players.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 10:54:33 GMT -8
Yeah, if you are telling the truth, then Steve is neutral not town. I highly doubt he has two win conditions. Coppa knew town's won condition on day 1 and unless Retro decided to just share that secretly then Coppa is town.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 11:11:44 GMT -8
Gotcha. Wonder who Coppa has in his sights then.
Ferret is getting lynched and the presence of my role will be revealed next day phase then.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 11:13:47 GMT -8
I guess Ferret didn't believe the Man in the Tan Jacket claim at all.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 11:37:30 GMT -8
Coppa is probably just scum reading someone based on what they've said in the thread. It might be you, it might be someone else that people are town reading. I don't think he has anything definitive. When I'm bored later, I'll build a whole case on Ferret by the way. I might still die so feel free to use whatever you'd like. It's a case built on fake evidence but that last one or two scum will probably pounce at me trying to get someone else lynched so we might catch someone with this, it'll be fun.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 12:03:14 GMT -8
I have some fake Ferret evidence. Look at Mazre commenting on my haiku as beautiful, that was the post about Ferret which points to him taking interest in it without commenting on it.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 12:09:38 GMT -8
This chat become so much less town all of a sudden lol
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 22:55:14 GMT -8
We aren't going to need much fake evidence to turn people against Ferret, he was already skeeving people earlier. So we think he has the haiku curse too? It might be a neutral power, and it makes sense that I wouldn't know about that. The targets don't make sense for a neutral lyncher however.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 23:36:01 GMT -8
Nah, I highly doubt he is the haiku curse. I still content it is the power of an unfortunate townie. I'd hate getting a role like that.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 23:36:38 GMT -8
Contend*
Man, that typo will bother me forever.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 6, 2015 6:33:58 GMT -8
Is it OK if I reveal being a part of this chat if people turn against me? I won't out Jay.
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Post by Retro on Dec 6, 2015 7:13:03 GMT -8
Night 4 will be extended by 24 hours, and will end at 11:00 AM Mountain Time on 12/8/15. Apologies for any inconvenience.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 6, 2015 8:33:12 GMT -8
Is it OK if I reveal being a part of this chat if people turn against me? I won't out Jay. Hmm, I would prefer if you didn't (this will all be so much easier if I survive) but if you are up on the chopping block anyway, you do whatever you need to do to survive. Keep in mind, if you are town, at this juncture it might be worth it if they could see your role flips. It'll suck that we would lose this gossip chat if scum kills me and then lynches you but you came off super scummy on day 3. You will be a sticking point and as ordinary town, it might just be worth it if you die and flip. Just something to keep in mind.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 6, 2015 9:25:01 GMT -8
So this post is an easy one to point back to. Knowing whether Kevin is in the game or not isn't really some huge advantage but now that we know Kevin is in the game, this was kind of a weird thing for Ferret to bother trying to correct Fireblend on. He took a hard line on not commenting on Squidy vs. Razmos (and Trigger), this neutrality stuck around for a lot of day 1. Was he worried about his teammate going earlya nd figured if he stayed neutral on the topic, it would die down? This reads list provides an interesting story if you just look at the Squidy/Razmos/Trigger triangle. He calls Squidy pro town, which, to the scum perspective, he was probably going to come off as the towniest town ever if Razmos ever got lynched (Mazre even set Squidy up as town too in his reads list). Then he null reads both Tazmos and Trigger but you'll notice that he says that he thinks Trigger has a higher chance of being the scum. I was skeptical of this post at the time and on a re-read, still makes red flags. I'm usually a pretty easy person for mafia to try and lynch. It never works out but it always looks good on paper since I do tend to act weird. This could have been the rumblings of trying to make me look guilty. Especially since at this point, mazre knew what I was and scum may have been trying to make me seem suspect before I said anything about Mazre. After this post, for a lot of day 2, Ferret posts a lot of good stuff but I think we had been knocking into him so much about only defending himself and not scum hunting that he decided to change his play style so that he would seem less suspicious. Of note is that he only goes after Pop, Setre, and Pop who I am all pretty sure are town so he didn't really do any favors. He also bandwagoned with me on every single vote at the end of day 2. He was jumping around a lot and it was probably because he didn't want an accidental tie, whoever died from the three of them was a fine choice. He didn't push this super hard but he kept bringing up the possibility of saying that I was the lost partner. I still find it odd because he didn't give the same push to Setre who has also claimed a female character. He also starts a rumbling at the end of this post that maybe Squidy is the scum and Razmos is the unsuspecting town. This was an interesting thing to say to Razmos since they have a secret chat to each other but I've been in a scum chat before, sometimes people just aren't looking at both thread simultaneously. If Ferret thought that Razmos wasn't looking at scum chat, he might have just snuck advice in here hoping that Razmos would see it. It wasn't bad advice so it wouldn't be scummy at the time. Again, kind of a fence post, he is starting to say that maybe Squidy is the bad one in all of this but we needs to go back and re-read today's stuff. Day 3 was rough for scum, Razmos almost seemed like a sure thing with two lynches but I'm sure scum still had to try. Squidy was going to be their first good person to push votes to and I think I see that in this post. Still fence sitting on Razmos but the crack is starting. Razmos is becoming a lost cause at this point. Here's where the bus had to start. He did a little back and forth with Squidy before this but I don't think he saw anything that was going to make saving Razmos a possibility so he is starting to throw Razmos under. He votes Razmos in his next post. I also see a lot of this interaction with Squidy (didn't post all links, they are all around this area) as him trying to get chummy with Squidy. Squidy was going to come out looking GREAT if he survived and Razmos died. Getting on Squidy's good side might have been a great place for scum to be. ---------- Pretty good case IMO. All of this is good to push votes onto Ferret. I have stuff on Ferret in my earlier double post as well. If I should die, please, please, use things from my double post for this whole Ferret experiment and for figuring out who real scum is and also this post for nailing down Ferret tomorrow. I have decided to tell AbsolutBro about you Ultra. I did not say that the neutral is you but I did say the neutral is in my other chat so he has it narrowed down to Ty4on or UltraJay. I think he is town and I think he will go along with this plan, if not though, I don't think he has interest in killing neutral, he will just scum hunt as normal if that is the case.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 6, 2015 10:10:14 GMT -8
Is it OK if I reveal being a part of this chat if people turn against me? I won't out Jay. Hmm, I would prefer if you didn't (this will all be so much easier if I survive) but if you are up on the chopping block anyway, you do whatever you need to do to survive. Keep in mind, if you are town, at this juncture it might be worth it if they could see your role flips. It'll suck that we would lose this gossip chat if scum kills me and then lynches you but you came off super scummy on day 3. You will be a sticking point and as ordinary town, it might just be worth it if you die and flip. Just something to keep in mind. I thought the same about the flip. I'll try to keep it quiet until the last minute.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 6, 2015 10:58:38 GMT -8
That was starting to make Ferret look like scum. Don't want to kill all scum too early. Unless there are two left.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 6, 2015 11:28:26 GMT -8
That was starting to make Ferret look like scum. Don't want to kill all scum too early. Unless there are two left. I can make anyone sound like scum. I'm pretty sure Ferret is your lyncher. Reading through that, there were a few things that jump out as him not being scum too, I expect Coppa to challenge me a few times, we'll see. There were also something he let slip that made it sound like he knew a neutral was in the game.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 6, 2015 13:27:18 GMT -8
When Ferret is lynched and say he really is Steve, then some might figure out what was going on. "Everybody" knows that the day killer is in one of these chats.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 6, 2015 13:45:03 GMT -8
When Ferret is lynched and say he really is Steve, then some might figure out what was going on. "Everybody" knows that the day killer is in one of these chats. That's fine, I 100% expect that Ferret is going to claim for real at some point before he gets lynched. That would be the time to come clean, don't say Ultra is the killer of course but that's when people from these chats should explain what we are doing.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 7, 2015 6:05:05 GMT -8
urg... was the extra 24 hours to allow Retro to get back home? Or because the timers didn't update immediately?
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Post by Sorian on Dec 7, 2015 6:35:01 GMT -8
I believe it was for Retro but he didn't specifically say.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 7, 2015 6:43:36 GMT -8
Hey if this means Day 4 won't end at 5AM Saturday morning before I have to go to work then I'm fine with that. Then that means it ends AFTER my full day of work and when my two days off begins!
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Post by Sorian on Dec 7, 2015 7:31:30 GMT -8
Yeah, I would assume that it'll end a day later too. Kind of meh for me but I should be near enough o a computer on Saturday afternoon.
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Post by Retro on Dec 7, 2015 7:56:01 GMT -8
I do intend to keep the full day phase, yes.
And yeah, travel isn't the only reason, but it's the biggest one. I thought I was going to have a couple hours this morning in the hotel to get the day started, because my sister in law had to take an online test. Turns out she doesn't, and everyone in ny car was eager to get on the road early, since a bunch of people have work tomorrow.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 7, 2015 7:58:10 GMT -8
Retro, are you posting while driving? Shame on you.
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Post by Retro on Dec 8, 2015 5:59:31 GMT -8
Lmao, no, my father in law opted to drive the first hour or two, then I took over for the rest of the drive. Thst post was shortly before I took over.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 8, 2015 6:39:45 GMT -8
Holy shit, how didn't I see how obvious it was? It's risky to assume that no deaths is a good thing though. Whoever they targeted might be a dangerous neutral player or a lost partner. I personally find the lack of death more suspicious than the alternative, unless someone admits that they have a way to block deaths. The neutral can't be "dangerous" (like a serial killer) with town's win condition. What's really strange is that scum still doesn't quite get this. I think we may still trap scum for being scared of the Neutral. I completely forgot about that. Also I'm not sure about the idea of them targeting Sorian. I mean that is a stupid move even by my standards. Was Razmos just bad at keeping track of the scum thread or did they just not discuss it at length? By that I mean Setre is town and scum's though was "OK, then we won't target Setre or Sorian (the obvious doctor target)" and they focused on finding someone other than those two rather than WIFOMing what the doctor would do. Targeting Ultra seems way too unlikely unless he looked neutral on D2 without me noticing it or scum had a way of seeing Ultra being a power role. I still think a role blocker (Scrafty) blocking Razmos is the most likely explanation.
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