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Post by Retro on Nov 11, 2015 7:15:27 GMT -8
You enter Jerry's Tacos, a Night Vale hot spot since 1983. You deftly avoid all the cold spots as you make your way to the front, place your government-sanctioned order by performing all the rites and rituals of old, and take your tacos to a big table in the back. (Note: Posts in this thread will not increase you post count, and cannot be searched or found be anyone who does not already have access to this thread.)
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Post by Sorian on Nov 13, 2015 20:22:50 GMT -8
Welcome to Jerry's Tacos everybody!
It would be easy for me to claim that I was Jerry but that would be silly because as we all know Jerry transgressed against nature with his enchiladas so he is not here tonight or any other night.
I am actually Dana Cardinal, Night Vale Public Radio Intern (aligned with Night Vale, of course). During each day phase I am allowed to invite one player to Jerry's Tacos (and you will return each night) and we are all allowed to discuss in here but during the night phase only. As with these types of roles, there is one huge risk. If I choose incorrectly, I may invite scum into this chat which destroys the advantage that I can hopefully give.
A few bookkeeping items for what I expect in here. Until I say otherwise, this is a safe place. I expect you to role claim immediately upon entering. On the off chance that I do invite in scum, there are some things you should know about this little chat room. First off, this power is just based around being a gossip (Sorian as the Gossip, go figure), if I die, this chat remains open for everybody involved. The real caveat though is that if I am Cecil's Intern (and based on my flavor title, I'm guessing the only intern in this game), if I am killed by anything other than a lynch vote than Cecil (Retro) will announce that I will no longer be able to make my nightly meeting with all of you. During this announcement, Retro will announce the roles of everyone in this chat to the main thread.
I apologize for putting you in danger, my fellow town PRs, but I'm hoping that being able to have a night chat will allow us the advantage we need to end this quickly and in town's favor.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 20, 2015 10:02:14 GMT -8
Hi Ty4on buddy.
I heard you like night chats so I figured I'd oblige.
Tell me about yourself away from prying eyes.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 20, 2015 10:55:27 GMT -8
Cool, neighbors. I'm thinking of a game (really early stage) where this might be needed.
I really don't have a lot of reads that I kept hidden, but I left out that I wanted Mike to respond should he be a power role. It would have been too easy for a scum then to figure out that staying quiet would be the best option (probably was already). If he stayed quiet and people started voting for him I was thinking of being honest and warning people that we could be lynching the doctor again. Dark was a null to me and I agree with Swamped of giving new players some breathing room.
I'm a boring ordinary. I was planning on catching up with stuff this weekend so I might not be very active, but I'll try to put together some stuff. I have work from 6am to 12pm CST (0600-1200 in proper format) Saturday and Sunday.
I am so clueless on who could be power roles. AB so far reminds me a bit of his DR play where he looked scummy, but was a cop. I think I flipflopped on him a million times on him in the lovers chat so I'm probably not the best person to read him. There were very few roles being claimed. TL21xx' hinting (he is definitely in my blindspot, should have read him a million years ago) is all I caught up on. Seems like there are a lot of ordinary players like me, but it could just be the metagame changing.*
Just for curiosity's sake, why me? I would have thought Coppa or maybe Fire.
*extra fluff regarding this: I looked up animal crossing mafia after seeing Darryl attack Flux so hard in Warewolf. While I knew it started with no lynch it really surprised me how different the conversation was on that D1 compared to a game played now.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 20, 2015 10:57:58 GMT -8
I have work from 6am to 12pm CST (0600-1200 in proper format) Saturday and Sunday. I know we have an edit button here, but EST!
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Post by Sorian on Nov 20, 2015 11:07:59 GMT -8
I chose you for two reasons. The first is that I was secretly hoping that you were bread crumbing that you were Carlos because early on you made some scientist jokes and I was hoping to strike gold. I actually invited you back on Monday expecting that I would change my selection as the week went on but I decided to keep you for a second reason. I want longevity on who I invite in here. I die early a majority of the time so me being able to discuss at night is great and all but I wouldn't be surprised if this chat outlives me.
You seem like a good selection of someone who will live for awhile. I actually didn't scum read you at all, that was a lie when I was making my reads list but useful that you brought it up again near the end of the day. The reason I did it is because everyone is letting you slip by undetected, which is fine, but if you were invisible to everyone then scum might NK you early on so that no one gets any reads from your death. I thought that throwing shade at you might dissuade them from this because they might expect me to come after you in the coming days and let me do their work for them.
Fire and Coppa really wouldn't be good for my purposes here. They've both been town read by so many people that scum might just NK them without any other course of action because it's unlikely they will be voted out during the day.
Past that, really anyone who is good at reads and is even semi-active is great for this.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 20, 2015 11:22:54 GMT -8
And coming back over here, I am going to pass some information along to you Ty4on.
There appear to be TWO gossip chats in this game and I was actually invited over to the other one because I am a natural lightning rod apparently.
So that being said, I'm just going to spill what I have from over there because I do honestly trust you. The name of the other gossip chat is Big Rico's Pizza. Mazre is in charge over there. He claims that his power role is The Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives In Everyone's Homes. I find this a little suspect for two reasons (very silly reasons but you always have to look at the inconsistencies). The first is that if I were to name that character, I would have named her The Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives In Your Home as she is referred to in the pod cast. The second is that Mazre specifically says that there is no extra title on his role name like how I am Dana Cardinal, Night Vale Public Radio Intern. I really only have my own role name to compare that to so I don't know if he is a glaring inconsistency or if some people just don't have titles.
I'm also worried that because I am a town member running a gossip chat the other gossip chat might be run by scum? At least I'm able to pass this to someone though, if I end up dead it might be a lead to follow. If anything, I would love an investigator to check Mazre.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 20, 2015 12:13:17 GMT -8
Did you roleclaim there?
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Post by Sorian on Nov 20, 2015 12:22:12 GMT -8
He is aware that I am a gossip, yes. We used our roles to verify each other. We have the exact same role descriptions, limitations, and commands. He is also aware that you are in my gossip chat but I am not planning to tell him that you are ordinary. I do have a gambit ready if by the end of the night phase if I still think he might be scum to ensure that scum doesn't bother you. He is aware that I am skeptical of him and think he might be scum.
I also brought up a point over there that I will say here as well. This is a boon if we all happen to be town so if you have any information you would like me to relay to him, feel free to let me know.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 20, 2015 12:51:26 GMT -8
It sounds like a place where Strexcorp might try to secretly enjoy wheat and wheat-based byproducts "Everybody's house" might be to help people unfamiliar. Retro mentioned some time back that he was changing role names to prevent spoilers and simplifying them like that is a natural second step. I do agree it sounds very unnatural though. I replied Fire early in the day with "... Who Lives in My House" which felt very wrong to type out. I've listened to 59 episodes so far (59 were the antiques) BTW. I don't have anything for him as of right now. I town read Mazre, but it was a shallow read. He didn't slip by completely unnoticed, I just don't remember him saying anything I objected to.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 20, 2015 12:56:55 GMT -8
Oh, something I did kind of hint at in thread which I can say now. Notice my role description. I'm the Night Vale Intern, I am not the mayor of Night Vale. That's why I'm very sure that Retro is doing flavor from early on in the podcast so basically before Strex gets taken down and Kevin gets banished and all of that, that's why I figure they are the scum team and things are the way they were early in the podcast.
Retro's flavor so far seems to back that up since so far everything flavor wise that he has posted has been from the first 10 episodes or so.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 20, 2015 13:00:16 GMT -8
The being said though, if the street cleaners are the scum team then I will bow to Retro forever.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 20, 2015 14:45:04 GMT -8
Ty4on,
Mazre has asked me to pass this along to you.
He says that sometime during the next day phase he is going to make a reference to the taco shop. He's asking that you quote it and mention Big Rico's in your response back to him. You can probably just get away with a flavor joke "Jerry's Tacos are good but everyone knows the best place to get a slice in town is Big Rico's" or whatever, up to you. I asked him to be subtle about it and I ask you to do the same. I don't see any harm in this and he would be the only that would see this as a link between yourself and me.
We'd also like your input on who you think would be the best candidates for invite to each of the gossip chats for tomorrow night. If we really do have two town run gossip chats here then I'm acting as a bridge for a much bigger night chat that can become quite the weapon against scum. The goal here is to pick up townies who you think will survive the longest. Picking up investigational PRs would be the icing on the cake because then you, as an ordinary for example, could report this information and not be in danger of a NK.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 20, 2015 15:09:50 GMT -8
Sure. I'll try to include something about bowl of stewed tomatoes or gluten free pizza if it fits as a bad joke.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 20, 2015 15:13:08 GMT -8
Sure. I'll try to include something about bowl of stewed tomatoes or gluten free pizza if it fits as a bad joke. Whatever works I'm sure.
As an aside, can I just say how much of a wet dream this is constantly refreshing two chats during the night phase where I usually get to do nothing.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 20, 2015 15:24:45 GMT -8
Aww. You won't get much more from me as I have to go to bed though :/
I'll try to see if I can find some good candidates.
A couple of questions before I head to sleep. When you were verifying Mazre, did you also use the win condition in the PM? It'd be very weird if scum didn't know this, but you never know. How did you feel about Mazre before this night started? Are you still worried squidyj could be scum?
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Post by Sorian on Nov 20, 2015 15:31:29 GMT -8
I read Mazre as town before the night started. Aside from their being two gossips, I've had no reason to distrust him up until this point which is why I'm being open with this whole thing. I'm not terribly worried about him honestly, just being more careful.
As for Squidy, yes, I do have a real fear that he is scum. I think he is paying a lot more attention to the thread then he is letting on and because of that, I think he is scum. Personally, I would rather let him fester a bit and try to hit his teammates first because 1) I could definitely be wrong and 2) his biggest skill is swaying votes but I can do that too so if I feel like I need to be in antithesis to him than I will feel free.
As for asking about his win condition, I actually didn't. I am going to follow up on that though, for funsies though, what is your win condition Ty4on?
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 21, 2015 1:28:09 GMT -8
There is probably nothing special with the win condition, but because Retro on purpose didn't put it in the Sample PM and I could have sworn Darklighter's sample didn't have it. *Double checks thread* It's in Darklighter's PM now though. Last edited by RetroMG; Today at 05:02 AM. 11pm for you. You replied to my post 4h30m before and Retro replied to a PM I made (regarding this thread being readable after dawn) 4h before so there's no real evidence you were behind it. Mine is identical to Darklight's: You win when no mafia alligned players remain. I thought about it when the discussion of neutrals took place on page 4 (100ppp) and after your reply. It could be a red herring where Mafia players have a sample PM for town or a win condition that implies they are only against town. I'm guessing you've already read this post and either way it was probably all over scum chat: Whoa quite a bit to catch up on... sorta. Looks like a lot of it was people worrying about what the opposing team is called. It's weird the role PM simply says we win when no Mafia aligned players remain rather than saying the team's name though. Even weirder that the sample PM doesn't have a win condition in it. If I were guessing, we're up against either StrexCorp or a combination of Desert Bluffs and StrexCorp characters. Not quite sure why he would say this. I'm guessing scum would not respond to his post, but everyone except UltraJay ignored it. I was thinking this could be town inadvertently proving they are town, but he seems too experienced to give scum info like this especially when he knows it isn't in the sample PM. Sorry for being this suspicious. I thought before I woke up that this could be info only town had and could play a role in LyLo or possibly be used in this thread. Say we were 6 in total, everyone could at a predetermined time post their win condition. This reply was supposed to be a long explanation of why I didn't want to reveal my win condition...
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Post by Sorian on Nov 21, 2015 6:00:53 GMT -8
No, it was a very smart question, somewhat meta, but I don't think outside the bounds of the game at all. I did not ask Retro to clarify anything about role PMs, after you asked your question, I realized that the sample PM and Darklighter's PM did not list a win condition (I do see that Darklighter's does now though), I've already asked Mazre this question and he answered before the thread was edited which now presents a new dilemma. His answer to the question was *drum roll*
You win when only Town-aligned players remain.
So, yeah......
I played it off over there and just said that it checks out and it makes me feel better about things but now we are sitting on two possibilities.
1) Mazre is scum, we caught him in a lie. I can run damage control about who I have over here in this chat but obviously, he knows that I am a gossip too and if he knows that I am aware he is scum then I'm dead. The only thing that can really let me use my power a couple more time is if he thinks that I am on board with him and he might even request that I invite a teammate over here just to taint this chat.
2) Mazre is trying to play chess with me. He is town but similarly to how I do not trust him, he does not trust me. He purposely gave the wrong win condition to see if I would correct him and I did not so now he might be thinking I am scum. I could see this possibility as well because he has gone radio silent ever since the win condition discussion.
What do you think? And how do you think we should approach this?
Also, in terms of what you bring up with Coppa, honestly, he seems to be town. When you asked me this question about win conditions, I actually thought nothing of it at first because I just assumed the sample in the OP had a win condition on it. That's why I ignored Coppa at the time because who cares about talking about win conditions when everyone knows town's condition anyway. I was unaware that the information was priviledged.
So now, I have to ask, even though the sample didn't have a win condition, your ordinary PM did have one?
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 21, 2015 15:18:55 GMT -8
My PM had the exact same win condition as Dark's. That's why I asked Retro and he said the sample PM didn't feature it on purpose. Hmmm... Mazre being that suspicious of you is a bit strange given he must have chosen you thinking you were town. Still possible if he thought like me that the win condition could be important for town, but it still bugs me for some reason. If Mazre's reply was also late (9pm) a lot of things line up for him being scum. Either way he should by now know that you lied. I hope that doesn't mean the day starts with you being dead :/ I think you should respond with (if you haven't already) that you lied thinking he could be scum, but now understand why he might have lied. If he is scum I'm not sure if they would target you. I would then most likely survive the night and be very suspicious of Mazre. Because of what Retro did with the sample PM and us not knowing what the Mafia team is called I think we have multiple factions. Flavor vise it makes more sense as well. ----------------- I haven't thought about it, but this: I chose you for two reasons. The first is that I was secretly hoping that you were bread crumbing that you were Carlos because early on you made some scientist jokes and I was hoping to strike gold. Could really come back to bite me. On the bright side if Mazre is scum then they might be targeting me over you. That or they just kill you, reveal me and have an ''''''excuse'''''' for killing me... ----------------- So many adherents of RNGsus, it warms my heart, but I've got to agree that in and of itself isn't all that useful (I landed on Sorian for the record). It's one thing when there's a contingent pushing for no lynch but we seem to all be on board for getting rid of someone which is nice but leaves us without much to go on. New territory for me, as in both my previous games there was the no lynch question along with other early points of contention (roommates/missions/etc). Kinda interesting in retrospect. Seems like either way he chose you early on and stuck with it like you. Why does the thread always die shortly after I start posting =( I noticed this post just because I have often noticed the same and know it is an illusion. The strange thing though is that it wasn't very true either. I mean in the last post which he commented on the thread went silent for an hour, but in his earlier posts the thread seemed to move along nicely. Brushing that aside, even after having read all of Mazre's D1 posts I think Trigger's read sums it up quite well: Mazre - My gut says gun shy town. He's not putting pressure on anyone and his posts have been just as safe as Mike and UltraJay's have been. He plays a very safe game with some read lists. Never really attacks anyone and, it's probably just me, but when anyone write that they're waking up/coming from work and are reading the thread I can't help but be reminded of this. Super biased read, but I'm surprised I didn't catch on to it earlier. ----------------- Hope it's readable. It was supposed to be short, but I never really stopped writing.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 21, 2015 16:05:22 GMT -8
Mazre's playstyle does make make sense for someone trying to hide their identity. Didn't really think of that TT
Still suspicious of him.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 21, 2015 16:45:31 GMT -8
Mazre replied with that win condition about 20 minutes after you asked me to ask him so not late at all.
I don't think he found me suspicious (if he is town) at all but I'm sure he would be worried since I failed his test of me checking the win condition.
My plan here, and you can feel free to tell me what you think, is to say that I actually invited Coppanuva or Fireblend in here (probably Coppa since I'm pretty close to 100% on him being town). Mazre was very confused on why I invited you and you here as well. I also went into that chat highly suspect of Mazre so I don't think it's a stretch for him to believe that I lied about who I invited. This kind of covers both of us (I'd hope) because if Mazre is scum, he might not bother attacking you or Coppa because there might be some doubt as to who I actually have in here and if I play along thinking he is town then he might keep me around hoping that he can get me in his pocket.
If Mazre is town then sure, he is going to find me suspect but if I survive tonight, that means I can get a second person in here so even if I have to roleclaim tomorrow to save myself from the lynch, we'll have a (hopefully) mason chat set up going forward.
I think going back over there and saying that I was lying on agreeing with the win condition could go sour fast, it outs scum Mazre and makes him feel like he has to do something to get rid of me and town Mazre might not buy it at this point so the possible reward is too low for the risk.
I'm also still very skeptical of his role claim so of course that is something to keep in mind.
Do you read anyone, aside from Coppa, has probably town? I'm trying to get ideas of who I should look into when I am deciding who to invite tomorrow.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 21, 2015 17:23:34 GMT -8
Do whatever you feel comfortable doing. Remember that scum Mazre is the biggest threat by far and that Coppa can't answer how nobody does a slice like Big Rico's I'll try my belated reads tomorrow. Anyone in specific you want my opinion of?
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Post by Sorian on Nov 21, 2015 17:42:42 GMT -8
Meh, what are they going to do if Coppa doesn't answer? Night kill me? Curious on your reads of Fireblend, Scafty, Boo Boo'N, and gryvan if you have any for them. Otherwise though, just anything that sticks out to you.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 21, 2015 23:11:28 GMT -8
Should I just ignore his big rico's fluff post as well?
Unless coppa responds to it... Insert dramatic twist music
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Post by Sorian on Nov 22, 2015 0:17:07 GMT -8
Should I just ignore his big rico's fluff post as well? Unless coppa responds to it... Insert dramatic twist music Oh that would be so wonderful if Coppa did that accidentally. I'll let you know before night is out, yeah I'll probably tell you to ignore it but I want to see how he reacts to me first.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 22, 2015 9:34:35 GMT -8
Alright, so yes, ignore the jerry's tacos/big rico's fluff post, I've told Mazre that Coppa is over here and we'll see how that plays out. He says that his reads list from the thread has not changed and then he offered that we split up a list so that we don't overlap on who we invite. His choices are AbsolutBro, squidy, coppa, flush, fireblend, with ultra jay and TL21xx as maybes. He posted that before I said Coppa is over here so he'll probably strike that from the list. He asked that I add on anyone else that I am good about and then we split the list up so we each have 3-4 options. I've said that I'm taking UltraJay, Ty4on, Fireblend, and gryvan as my 4 (which is the short list I was looking at anyway, with you replaced for Coppa). I am still curious about any extra reads you have before time and if you have any other strong ideas for who we could invite in here.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 22, 2015 18:54:19 GMT -8
I don't think I'm the best person to read Fire after MGS, but he kinda looks the same as in MGS. He doesn't prod much, but when he does it never creates much friction because he is onto the next topic. I've also had a tendency of overlooking his posts for whatever reason. Could be postcount.
Gryvan like you said must be part of the most dysfunctional scum team if that's what he is. Kinda possible if we have multiple, but I lean town on him.
Boo Boo'n seemed to genuinely want to defend his vote for no lynch so I read him as town.
I have no idea what Scrafty is. Her posts seem empty when deciphered and her attacks feel weak. Null.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 23, 2015 7:23:17 GMT -8
Do you have some last minute reads? I'm interested in hearing Razmos, Ferret and Pop-O-Matic
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Post by Sorian on Nov 23, 2015 7:39:17 GMT -8
I think Razmos got caught in the crossfire early because of Squidy and has been acting reserved/guarded ever since then. I wasn't reading scum beforehand but as of the second half of the first day phase, he has only cared about shrugging Squidy away as opposed to hunting scum which is going to cause us to chase down a probable town if he go after him, IMO and I think Squidy will be dead set if that topic comes up again.
I'm not sure what to make of Ferret yet. He's a very good player and my gut tells me he is scum. Being a good player isn't a scum tell by any means but I can just tell that his activity increases when he is under scrutiny and he disappeared quick during the second part of the day when a lot of us started to move our votes around. I think a lot of people did forget about him too because he would show up in reads list but he no one really prodded him.
Pop is acting too quiet for my tastes and I think his reasoning for Scrafty was weak when he has already played with her once. In MGS, he was pretty quiet too but I remember him having more impact in the early part of the first day and that wasn't around here. Otherwise though, he hasn't acted super suspicious and he has been misguided easily before so he might just be town trying to do his thing.
Razmos - Leaning Town Ferret - Leaning Scum Pop - I'm in the middle but slight nudge towards scum.
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