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Post by ultrajay on Nov 28, 2015 8:48:00 GMT -8
Sorian may not be on for a while because I think he went to bed at 5:30 AM, hopefully not waiting up for me. I stayed up to 4:30 AM and then got up at 9:00 AM to work until 6:00 PM. I would have been gone for most of the day.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 28, 2015 11:49:18 GMT -8
Nah, I wasn't waiting up for you. I just have odd sleep schedules on the weekend Shame that you are ordinary too. A PR in the pocket would have done wonders. As far as what is happening in the other chat, a quick recap of posts while I was sleeping: I had brought up my issues with Mazre's claim prior and he said that the name of the role is what he said so it is on Retro if that is incorrect. The reasoning behind his role being a gossip instead of anything else is that he is one of night vale's oldest residents and he thought it was time to reach out and meet new people while becoming involved in the community. He felt that wearing a mask and hood would be ok because that had less chance of freaking people out and all of the hooded figures that always frequent Big Rico's made this disguise easier to pull off. He also says that his role description includes a joke from Retro to the effect of " Why can't you tell what each player's role is if you secretly live in their home? It's just a game, you should relax" I don't recall anyone ever actually being scared of the faceless old woman or being surprised or frightened by her appearance? But correct me if I'm wrong Ty4on since you've been listening to the podcast more recently than me, so that could still be a tell that this is made up flavor. He then told me why he chose Absolut which makes sense. We did split up a list yesterday of who we would pick and I took UltraJay, Ty4on, Fireblend, and gryvan and he thinks I have Coppa over here already. That left him with Absolut, Squidy, Royal_Flush, and TL21. Squidy was out because he has basically disappeared from the game and TL21 was out because he has no idea what is going on with that double lynch claim and didn't want to deal with that which left him with Flush and Absolut. Personally, I would have went with Flush but really, it's a toss up between the two so I can't fault him for the decision. For my two cents, if Mazre is scum then I think Absolut is town, I don't think Mazre would be inviting in scum buddies. Absolut has been relatively quiet, he hasn't role claimed which is understandable since he is probably lost on if scum is in there or not, I'm sure from their perspective, I might be making some high level play and the gossip chat I am referring to is really scum chat. He did finally post more this afternoon about his thoughts on me and Mazre. I think he is interested in seeing Mazre's flip more than anything else and he is assuming that Mazre and I are opposite alignments so I may be getting some heat if Mazre does flip as town. Otherwise Absolut wanted to talk to us about Mike_Hawk, he didn't want to bring it up in the main thread because Mike becomes a distraction whenever people talk about him but he thinks Mike is town and wanted our opinions to see if it was worth wasting the day time discussing him again or if we should leave him be for now. Thoughts on Mike in here? I can at least pass along what you say.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 28, 2015 11:50:25 GMT -8
Also, one thing is for sure from what I did with my gambit. If I am haiku'd, it basically guarantees that the haiku is a scum power. Scum might think I know a lot more than I actually do and I've already said killing me doesn't stop me so they might try to interrupt my talking instead.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 28, 2015 15:22:46 GMT -8
I don't recall anyone ever actually being scared of the faceless old woman or being surprised or frightened by her appearance? But correct me if I'm wrong Ty4on since you've been listening to the podcast more recently than me, so that could still be a tell that this is made up flavor. Nobody knows her appearance other than being a faceless old woman. That's often made fun of like this: Source, spoilers for episode 61. It's near the top of the transcript. And when she spoke for the first time: Make whatever you want of that, but I'm not very convinced I went through some of the first pages and picked up that Mazre and Squidyj were both unfamiliar with the source. Unmasked Ferret seems to know a lot (#247). AbsolutBro has some knowledge (mentioned being up to episode 8-9) and Royal Flush and has a little more (wheat and wheat by-products). Coppa said he had about as much as Royal. He then told me why he chose Absolut which makes sense. We did split up a list yesterday of who we would pick and I took UltraJay, Ty4on, Fireblend, and gryvan and he thinks I have Coppa over here already. That left him with Absolut, Squidy, Royal_Flush, and TL21. Squidy was out because he has basically disappeared from the game and TL21 was out because he has no idea what is going on with that double lynch claim and didn't want to deal with that which left him with Flush and Absolut. Personally, I would have went with Flush but really, it's a toss up between the two so I can't fault him for the decision. For my two cents, if Mazre is scum then I think Absolut is town, I don't think Mazre would be inviting in scum buddies. I agree with both of these. If AB or Mazre is scum I doubt the other is and I'd personally chose Royal. His postcount isn't huge, but he has dared to stand out. Otherwise Absolut wanted to talk to us about Mike_Hawk, he didn't want to bring it up in the main thread because Mike becomes a distraction whenever people talk about him but he thinks Mike is town and wanted our opinions to see if it was worth wasting the day time discussing him again or if we should leave him be for now. Thoughts on Mike in here? I can at least pass along what you say. Leaning town, but not very strongly. He created a lot of friction, but his "See how I can't be scum!?" statements were still odd. Also, one thing is for sure from what I did with my gambit. If I am haiku'd, it basically guarantees that the haiku is a scum power. Scum might think I know a lot more than I actually do and I've already said killing me doesn't stop me so they might try to interrupt my talking instead. Do you have any plan for what to do if any of us ends up dead tomorrow?
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Post by Sorian on Nov 28, 2015 15:54:46 GMT -8
When I'm feeling less lazy (so tomorrow sometime), I am going to draft up a post in here about everything that I want to relay to the thread on Monday. If I should die, I would like UltraJay to pass it along to the thread, you can't direct quote me but you can paraphrase anything I say and the thread is expecting information from somebody anyway. I choose UltraJay over you Ty4on because I think there will be less pushback if UltraJay presents the information, I acted suss of you Ty on day 1 and basically ignored you on my reads lists on day 2 so I could see someone trying to use that against you if you claim that I had you in my gossip chat. You are also both ordinary so it's a wash there in terms of protecting a PR.
As for if you guys turn up dead, well you let me know what you want me to pass along. I'm role claiming tomorrow regardless so I have no problem passing along anything at all that you'd like.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 28, 2015 16:53:07 GMT -8
When I'm feeling less lazy (so tomorrow sometime), I am going to draft up a post in here about everything that I want to relay to the thread on Monday. If I should die, I would like UltraJay to pass it along to the thread, you can't direct quote me but you can paraphrase anything I say and the thread is expecting information from somebody anyway. I choose UltraJay over you Ty4on because I think there will be less pushback if UltraJay presents the information, I acted suss of you Ty on day 1 and basically ignored you on my reads lists on day 2 so I could see someone trying to use that against you if you claim that I had you in my gossip chat. You are also both ordinary so it's a wash there in terms of protecting a PR. Wouldn't both of us be confirmed townies? [...] if I am killed by anything other than a lynch vote than Cecil (Retro) will announce that I will no longer be able to make my nightly meeting with all of you. During this announcement, Retro will announce the roles of everyone in this chat to the main thread.
I apologize for putting you in danger, my fellow town PRs, but I'm hoping that being able to have a night chat will allow us the advantage we need to end this quickly and in town's favor.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 28, 2015 17:51:30 GMT -8
No, he only announces roles of people that are present here. He does not announce who is in here. So, if you both are telling the truth, the announcement would just say that I was meeting with two regular night vale citizens each night and that's that. It doesn't link back to each of you so it would still be your word or Ultra's word against anyone else in the thread who wanted to argue. Good catch though, I was purposely vague when I wrote that up so that scum would be more scared to kill me.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 28, 2015 18:18:29 GMT -8
Interesting. I feel bad for wanting it to say something like "... and a desert bluff citizen"
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Post by Sorian on Nov 28, 2015 19:07:45 GMT -8
Don't play games with me Ty4on
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Post by ultrajay on Nov 28, 2015 20:45:55 GMT -8
I honestly thought you were a cop with that soft role claim.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 28, 2015 22:00:30 GMT -8
Always have to keep people guessing. In the grand scheme of things, my role is becoming less and less important by the day so gambits are fun It should give time for our PRs to work.
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Post by ultrajay on Nov 29, 2015 6:43:32 GMT -8
Dude, you seem so sure you are going to die, but that threat may deter them. If they think when you die something big happens they may want to keep you alive and deal with you that way.
If the other chat is a scum chat however... they may know you are lying. So it's hard to tell. Flush may die tonight if Bro got picked up instead of him.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 29, 2015 7:08:14 GMT -8
If everyone in Mazre's chat is town they may kill Sorian to get another role claim for free. Sorian admitted that the message would come from another player and only that he knew one player's role.
Still a risk attacking Sorian as Setre will probably protect him if he can't protect himself.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 29, 2015 7:09:33 GMT -8
"...and that he only knew one player's role."
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Post by Sorian on Nov 29, 2015 15:43:26 GMT -8
I don't actually think they are going to waste time with killing me by the way but you always need to have contingencies in place. The other gossip chat is dead by the way, no posts since what I wrote out to you all yesterday.
If I should die, basically I want you to roleclaim for Mazre, UltimaJay. It's too inconsistent for my tastes and I've decided that the thread should just be the ones to decide what to do from here. So basically, all you need to let them know from me is that there are two gossip chats. The one Mazre is in charge of is Big Rico's, he is claiming to be The Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives In Everyone's Homes and that his role is inviting people to a night chat because the faceless old woman has been living in Night Vale for longer than others and she thought it was time to branch out and meet the community. Big Rico's was her choice because she was able to wear a hood and mask like the hooded figures that frequent Big Rico's and no one would be scared of her. Then explain that my two issues with this is that the lore reason behind his power makes no sense in terms of the podcast and that I think our two gossip chats are stronger than in the Animal Crossing game because we can invite anyone instead of being limited which makes me think that one of us leading the chat is actually scum to balance it.
That's really all I want passed along in case I die. Ty4on, you shouldn't mention your involvement in this chat unless things go really sour and no one is believing Ultra. If I get haiku'd instead, I'll try to make due explaining myself good enough. I might ask you to help me though Ultra if I just can't get my point accross but I should be fine.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 29, 2015 16:15:05 GMT -8
That makes me trust AB a little more I think.
Do you think it would be in towns best interest though Sorian? If Mazre is town then perhaps the best town role (dual gossip) is out in the open. Even if he is scum you could be the person voted out.
Posting this because I might not have time to make a more detailed post than this before the deadline :/
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Post by Sorian on Nov 29, 2015 16:19:28 GMT -8
That's my issue, I kind of want him to invite one more person but if he gets lynched his invite won't go through. A lot of our advantage is because I happen to be in both chats. If I die, the dual gossip isn't as effective. If I live, I've decided that I am not going to out Mazre (though I will need to role claim so that people know what I was trying to do) but if I die, a lot of this advantage goes out the window anyway so lynching Mazre just so we can actually know on this topic one way or another might be best.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 30, 2015 2:06:12 GMT -8
The Joker is AB. He might out himself in trying to protect Mazre and get his role revealed.
I'd wait to see if he does anything first.
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Haiku wise we could make some code sequences. My immediate thought was first haiku having a rhyme and in the second haiku the placement of the first multisyllabic word would mean something.
No rhyme, no code.
Seventh word is multisyllabic so the code is 7.
I threw a similar idea to Retro (post me being Haiku'd about how silly it would be if I had planned it before I got hit by the spell) and he responded that it would be clever so I doubt it is against the rules.
If the spell is something completely different we could use post timings. A post at full hour (XX:30 for Jay I think) is the activation and the time till the next within 10 minutes is the code. Again post at 12:00 and 12:07 would be code for 7.
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Post by ultrajay on Nov 30, 2015 4:20:02 GMT -8
I'm confused... what do the numbers mean? 7? Any of this is probably going to go over my head. AB is the Joker?
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 30, 2015 5:05:12 GMT -8
I'm confused... what do the numbers mean? 7? Any of this is probably going to go over my head. AB is the Joker? The cheat sheet would be posted here. If I'm haiku'd again then if I quote someone and include a rhyme in the first haiku then the number will mean: 1 - I think this person is town 2 - I think this person is scum 3 - I think this post is important 4 - I'm not sure what to think of this 5 - (null) 6 - I agree with this statement 7 - I disagree with this statement 8 - This post shows why claiming is a good idea 9 - This post shows why claiming is a bad idea And if I don't quote anyone and start with a rhyme: 1 - I think town favors Sorian 2 - I think town favors Mazre 3 - I think Sorian should claim 4 - I don't think Sorian should claim Most posts (probably all) would contain no code.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 30, 2015 5:06:29 GMT -8
AB is the Joker because his actions could change the outcome. He could role claim and tell us why he supports Mazre and we'd end the day with a lynched Sorian.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 30, 2015 5:06:51 GMT -8
And AB's role out in the wild if he has one.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 30, 2015 6:01:06 GMT -8
Do you think scum would call Boo Boo'n scummy D1 and kill him N1/D2?
If so I'm leaning day activation because Boo's D2 interactions made him look less scummy.
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 30, 2015 6:07:06 GMT -8
If you have time I'd love to hear your reads of Coppa. I'm starting to think we shouldn't assume he is town, but I haven't studied him closely.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 30, 2015 6:34:08 GMT -8
Wait, I'm reading the rest of this but where did it come from that you think AB is the joker?
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Post by ultrajay on Nov 30, 2015 6:37:56 GMT -8
Can someone explain Joker to me?
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Post by ultrajay on Nov 30, 2015 6:39:40 GMT -8
I can understand why I'm the one delivering the message, but that gives away that I'm a part of this chat. Ty4on is known by Mazre. Doesn't this allow them to keep thinking that Coppa is here?
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Post by Ty4on on Nov 30, 2015 6:43:23 GMT -8
Crap, not a an English expression The Joker is someone who can flip the situation upside down. Basically the wild card.
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Post by Sorian on Nov 30, 2015 6:49:04 GMT -8
Can someone explain Joker to me? Joker is the person causing the haikus. A joker is typically a role that has no real effect on the game other than doing something joke like. At least, I think that is what Ty4on is getting at? Oh, I see, you just meant a wild card Got it. I can understand why I'm the one delivering the message, but that gives away that I'm a part of this chat. Ty4on is known by Mazre. Doesn't this allow them to keep thinking that Coppa is here? It would give away that you are a part of this chat unfortunately. They actually think it is Coppa and someone else in here. I explained why I "lied" and Mazre seems to have bought it or at least doesn't seem to care one way or the other so if you start talking, Mazre is going to think it's you + Coppa. -------------- I like the code, it is a good idea to convey thoughts to one another if we are haiku'd. In terms of your last set of of rhyme code. Do you even think I can get away with not claiming at this point?
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Post by ultrajay on Nov 30, 2015 6:56:01 GMT -8
Oh so you never mentioned Ty4on? And nothing from them wondering why you haven't given them the other name?
Did I mention? Oh yeah I did. I think Flush will die... or maybe Coppa since he is known to be in this chat. Either way I think they will get someone who is helpful to town but is not likely to be protected.
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