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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 3:30:00 GMT -8
Great catch with Seath BTW. For now he is my top scum and I would definitely want Ultra targeting him N4.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 3:48:41 GMT -8
Here is the crazy thing. If my hunter (Steve Carlsberg) gets night killed or lynched than one of the voters is selected at random to have their full role PM sent to the Sheriff's secret police. (This used to be the final voter but this was changed not long into the game by Retro) I don't know if the secret police role have that power as their default investigative power or if it is a Steve Carlsberg Special. This may make Scrafty still a cop. She may have received Razmos' full role PM as her investigation. You should have invited her sooner in the day so we could ask her. If Steve is night killed, who's PM is selected? I don't think Scrafty is the cop. Steve isn't dead and Raz' role would have been mean if we had a role cop as well. Ty4on has been quiet lately... because you posted that he may be scum? If he is then he is hearing our whole plan. My inactivity is because I'm a little busy right now. I'm traveling Monday and had to get some stuff done last week because I have work this weekend. I work from 4pm~11pm which kinda messes up my rhythm and makes me a lot less productive outside of work. I should have plenty off free time when D4 starts though and only lacking my desktop computer. I'll try to read up on the main thread when I have time to. These posts here were just scattered thoughts I wanted to get out.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 3:51:19 GMT -8
Correction: I don't think Scrafty is the cop. Steve isn't dead and Raz' role would have made no sense if we had a role cop as well.
It would have been mean of Retro to make Raz look town upon investigation and also give town a role cop who would instantly see Kevin when investigating him or his role PM. That means two cops for town with a scum player who thinks they can't be detected.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 4:57:27 GMT -8
I'm just an ordinary so if you're not feeling certain about my alignment and think it would be better to lynch me I don't really have anything against that. If D4 ends crappy and you don't feel like outing/voting for another power role it should be very easy to throw shade at me and get me voted out. For my defense I don't have much, but early in D1 I threw some shade at Razmos. What I find really interesting in retrospect though is how Raz replied. Notice how he doesn't quote me or anything, but could really only have replied to me. I'm not sure why he did that (maybe in case they were killing me off and wanted to keep their interactions with me at a minimum), but had both of us been scum then quoting would have made total sense in protecting either of us should one of us die. Second is me vs Mazre in this thread. I scum read him quite quickly for all of his fluff and was the one to suggest asking about win condition. Had I been scum I would have asked Retro about it in Darklighter's post before that, not 5am (my time) when I was asleep. I backtracked somewhat, but that's because I'm always doubting myself and I don't like having a sliver of doubt (which is why I'm endlessly grateful for the kill of Mazre, UltraJay ). I suspected AB for a loooooooong time in DR with silly ideas that were too crazy for Czar even. In that game I also doubted town a lot and got used to easy lynches being town lynches. That's mainly why I "defended" Razmos. It felt like Trigger (or more specifically, Rest) all over again. The lack of a proper read by me on Raz yesterday meant that I was even more uncertain than normal. But again, if you lynch me no power role is lost and UltraJay can kill a scum N4. Currently my read is on Seath. Had he been town I just don't see why scum would even try to defend him. He is such an easy target whom they could just shrug to after his PM showed that he was a town.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 5:30:34 GMT -8
I'm writing this because I know how important it is for you guys to know you can trust the other people in this chat. Either so you trust me or replace me with someone who is more trustworthy. BTW, remember this? This one might be hard to follow but Mike made a post where he said he believed that Seath was fake-claiming ordinary townie as a power role. I don't think it's true and it's a weird thing to do but it makes me think he's not scum. If that was a thought process that went through Mike's mind as scum I think he would have brought it up in mafia chat and not out here in the open. There's the possibility that he's neutral and trying to communicate the information to mafia or just not thinking about it, but I think it's far more likely that he's town who just didn't think things through well enough before posting. That's a mistake I can easily see being made. We know squid couldn't have told him to say that, but it seems to fall right in line with "bus Razmos -> make town trust your reads".
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 5:35:06 GMT -8
Great catch with Seath BTW. For now he is my top scum and I would definitely want Ultra targeting him N4. I was maybe a bit quick here in thinking NK immunity must have meant immunity against Seath's supposed ability. It makes sense if Ultra is so powerful that scum would have someone to counter him. On that note, if Sorian is killed and both me and Ultra survive I wouldn't mind fake claiming for you, Ultra. Unless you're scum, of course
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 5:41:28 GMT -8
On that note, if Sorian is killed and both me and Ultra survive I wouldn't mind fake claiming for you, Ultra. Unless you're scum, of course And if we get into the late game and town has to kill the neutral I would also bus you. I'm still salty over DR where neutral Makai won (his win condition was to kill two scum players, but was unable to because he became a neutral quite late)...
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 5:52:53 GMT -8
I believe my role is too detailed to be a fake-claim, don't you think? I even have another role detailed in my role PM. If Steve exists and we get his flip then my role is proved legitimate. Of course, me killing exactly what we all agree on is also a good indicator of my role. Scum definitely isn't doing the day kills after all.
I didn't have to reveal myself, I could have thrown shade on Bro. But now I have a team to help us all win and this prevents me from losing. On night 2 I was afraid of being found out after learning that Sorian's death would reveal my neutrality. It is why I switched to Mazre even if it meant pointing suspicion to people in gossip chat. If I had killed squidy like I had originally planned then the killer wouldn't be assumed to be in gossip chat. But Mazre had a higher chance of being scum and I needed a scum kill to make town trust me.
I had a emergency back up plan as well. There was a chance that Sorian would die and reveal me so I considered killing you Ty4on... even though you were most likely to be town. I would make me need to kill more people in order to win and if Sorian didn't end up dying he would be very suspicious of me. I ultimately abandoned that plan and decided to just keep hidden as that is my best option.
If people suddenly want to start lynching me out of nowhere we can be sure that either: 1.Scum tried to kill me but failed so now they are trying to turn town against me 2.Steve successfully scanned me and is trying to lead a train on me. Keep in mind that in most instances the people trying to do these things are neutral or scum... not town.
Killing a neutral now HURTS town. Town only need to eliminate the mafia to win, but mafia need to have a majority over both town and neutral players. The death of a neutral is a boon to scum.
That being said, if I killed Steve I don't believe that would count as one of my kills unless he is town-aligned. If we are sure who Steve is we should lynch him. It is a safe kill that won't accidentally win the game too soon.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 6:10:05 GMT -8
I had a emergency back up plan as well. There was a chance that Sorian would die and reveal me so I considered killing you Ty4on... even though you were most likely to be town. I would make me need to kill more people in order to win and if Sorian didn't end up dying he would be very suspicious of me. I ultimately abandoned that plan and decided to just keep hidden as that is my best option. That could work, especially with scum not knowing that I am in this chat. If you really are NK invincible* we could pretend like nothing happened and have scum try to kill you. The downside to that plan is that they are likely to attack Coppa. I never pointed out that he is almost 100% confirmed town now because I knew that would paint a gigantic target on his back and especially if Sorian dies we really need people like him to carry the discussion. *If I were you and could be killed by Strex I'd would probably lie about it with someone acting as shady as me in the chat ----------- Quick thought, do we think Mazre was supposed to be bussed? Then Raz' short "defense" doesn't really make sense. I think Scrafty is the role blocker who blocked Razmos from making the kill and their original plan was to bus Razmos. I don't really know how dire things were in the other gossip, but maybe scum were hoping to turn things around.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 6:29:09 GMT -8
I'm sure scum knows how valuable Coppa is. They have two kills tonight. They may chance a kill on Sorian but I wouldn't if I were them. If the doctor role still has their head in the game they would protect Sorian after he pushed to kill three mafia. So there is a good chance that I am targeted if I wasn't yesterday. I'm up there with Flush and Coppa as useful town. I was certain Flush would be targeted but maybe if there is only one kill tomorrow we may be more suspicious of Flush.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 6:30:01 GMT -8
I can't wait to read scum chat when the day kills start and when all hell breaks loose with all the scum dying.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 6:36:19 GMT -8
You all posted so much while I was asleep, just taking these in whatever order I feel like. Scrafty could be the roleblocker, yes, at the end of the day, she is the towniest town ever and I would have loved to get her in here but I had to be sure first. I'm kind of worthless at this point except for my actual scum hunting abilities so I figured scum would want to kill the doctor or go for a mystery box and hope they hit an investigator or something.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 6:42:23 GMT -8
UltraJay, here is some reading for you if you haven't looked through old Gafia threads yet. We successfully lynched the lyncher's target in Cthulhu so both the lyncher and lynchee left the game at the same time. Conveniently, that puts both their roles in the same post. Retro has seemed to pull a lot of inspiration from both Animal Crossing (gossips, wolf cubs, double lynch day) and Cthulhu (haiku/rhyming) so I would believe this (those are both the main games Retro has played in by the way). Steve is interesting for a neutral so he might have made him town but then he has a different win condition than the town so that much make him neutral. I'm still sure that he needs to be alive and on the vote to win.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 6:50:49 GMT -8
You're not useless now, this gossip was what brought down two scum players, one of which scum didn't know about, and your train brought down a third I'm curious though, why did you want both squid and Raz? I think you replied to this, but I'm on mobile and don't remember a clear answer. I was so indecisive because I was certain at least one was town.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 6:53:17 GMT -8
Ty4on has been quiet lately... because you posted that he may be scum? If he is then he is hearing our whole plan. Here we go... I wasn't expecting to reveal this... I could have thrown suspicion on Bro as somehow trying to see if you were telling the truth about Mazre... but that's what I did! I am Hiram McDaniels, and I am literally a Five Headed Dragon. That means I'm a neutral serial killer/vigilante. Every night I get the chance to BURN someone. My win condition is based on a kill quota. 1 Town, 2 Mafia or 3 Town, 1 Mafia. This makes me look SUPER towny as I have to find scum in order to win. The kills happen at a random time in the day (not random enough Retro! Can't let it happen 2 days in for once?). I have 5 heads and they don't all agree. The red and blue heads want to kill townsfolk. The gold and purple heads want to kill scum. The green head doesn't like violence and wonders why we all can't get along. Every 2 kills I have to take a night off. I asked what would happen if I kill the mafia NK target and was told that it doesn't use up a kill and I can try the next night even if that was supposed to be my 2nd kill. I don't know what happens if I kill someone protected or bulletproof. However, I am bulletproof xInfinity. I can never be night killed. I am not immune to other night actions and it is ONLY immunity to mafia nightkills. We can try and maybe trick the mafia into trying to kill me. Unless they already did on Night 2. But then nobody tried to start a train on me for revenge so... maybe not. Someone is hunting me. You think it is Ferret but this person knows that I am Hiram. They have a night action where they can scan a player to see if they are me. It is just a yes or no answer to the question "Is this person literally a five headed dragon?" They win when I am killed by town. No other stipulations. If I am lynched, they win. I'm thinking this is even post-death as well as their death can reveal my existence. I never run out of kills. Just need to fill my quota. When I win I leave the game and the game continues for everyone else. Here is the crazy thing. If my hunter (Steve Carlsberg) gets night killed or lynched than one of the voters is selected at random to have their full role PM sent to the Sheriff's secret police. (This used to be the final voter but this was changed not long into the game by Retro) I don't know if the secret police role have that power as their default investigative power or if it is a Steve Carlsberg Special. This may make Scrafty still a cop. She may have received Razmos' full role PM as her investigation. You should have invited her sooner in the day so we could ask her. Ferret may still be Steve but Coppa seems to have a distrust in neutrals plus he has some info he is gathering (during the night?). He is either doing a Steve scan or a watcher. No one will see me visiting anyone tonight anyways. Basically I can kill 2 town or 1 scum and I win. The earliest I can win is Day 5. Latest is Day 6 if all my kills go through. Can you link me to the [pst you are worried about from Coppa? Anyway, interesting, so scum might have tried to kill you last night. I figured we had a BP somewhere in the game but the odds were low, I like it though. Retro has talked about your exact type of neutral before so it wouldn't surprise me and the flavor certainly makes sense. I have slight skepticism because the Faceless Old Woman was scum and you and her are kind of linked story wise so I'm a tad skeptical there. So Steve Carlburg KNOWS that he needs to kill Hyram. Interesting choice for the lyncher role. Do you know why Steve is hunting you? Flavor reason I mean. This is very important to and it's ok, just answer me, no reason to be scared on it. What does your death give town? When you get lynched, do we get some temporary advantage? I also find your sheriff's secret police thing to be a tad suspect but this is all answers that we can get if we lynch or force a role claim from your lyncher (it's totally Ferret, it explains his constant bandwagoning). I will say one thing, our investigator (sheriff's secret police it looks like) does not get full role PMs all the time. Razmos had a godfather role and that means there HAS to be an alignment cop in the game. So the cop just gets either town, mafia, or neutral when they check someone. So yeah, Scrafty is NOT a cop, I am entertaining the idea that she is the roleblocker but man, I'm disappointed if she pushed so hard after one nightless kill. She ended up being right but that could have been catastrophic.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 6:58:17 GMT -8
You're not useless now, this gossip was what brought down two scum players, one of which scum didn't know about, and your train brought down a third I'm curious though, why did you want both squid and Raz? I think you replied to this, but I'm on mobile and don't remember a clear answer. I was so indecisive because I was certain at least one was town. Basically, I thought that Scrafty was a cop and she got a mafia verdict from investigating Razmos. Squidy had been going hard on Razmos from right out of the gate so I had two possibilities. Scrafty just got a clean investigation and Razmos was scum, cool done. OR Razmos was actually innocent and what Squidy had been doing was trying to get a rise out of Razmos which he knew he could do (and he succeeded), the rise was going to look completely suspect and this scum squidy was assuming that a cop would investigate Razmos eventually. Squidy would then tell his team to frame Razmos each night (maybe Squidy was the framer, maybe a teammate was, didn't matter). Cop eventually rats ut that they got a mafia read on Razmos, Squidy looks good, cop is outed and now doubts themself because they killed someone innocent. Obviously a little convoluted but it's something I would think of and I assume scum Squidy would come up with weird gambits too. I just pushed for them both ebcause worst case scenario, they were both innocent but had been acting so sketchy the whole game anyway that it would have cleared up some issues.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 6:58:45 GMT -8
Damn... I didn't read the rest but all Blarg needed to do was be the towniest town it seems to me.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 7:00:33 GMT -8
Oh, and power wise they should think I am useless. 3 invites and I am done, the only people who know I didn't invite are you two and AB. So, assuming we aren't compromised, then scum should think I am out of juice.
Also, no Ultra, I have told AB nothing about you but he does know who is over here now. I'm debating if I think him knowing would help or hurt you. He's not Steve Carlburg though, I know that for sure, that's not a role he would have hid from me.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 7:01:52 GMT -8
Damn... I didn't read the rest but all Blarg needed to do was be the towniest town it seems to me. Blarg was a cop once and announced to the entire thread that he was scum and that they should fear him. Blarg is fun people, stick around long enough and you'll have a good time.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 7:05:30 GMT -8
Here's a funny thought. This is a bus post. I only have one reason for thinking that though so if someone can answer me then go for it, I'm too lazy to go back through day 1 and day 2. How does Karu know that Razmos quit early in a past game due to RL? Did Razmos bring that up in this thread? It sticks out to me, please tell me if Razmos said it in thread because if so then this post could actually paint Karu as town to me. It's huge if Karu posted knowledge he gained from scum chat. I just searcher "quit archer" and got this (Nov 30): Could have sworn there was more, but I couldn't find it as I rushed through Raz' posts. I know I learned in this game that Raz was scum who was also replaced in Archer. I only read the first day of Archer and quit following Cthulhu and Archer when I joined DR. This post is straight up protecting Razmos. I am copy/pasting this same post to both chats so Ty4on will see this. There is no other way to read this post so I'll let it sit out there. Another post that was only going to help Razmos. I think scum had always had it in their head to go after Squidy on this day, possibly because I suspected him so hard in gossip chat. Another knock on you Ty4on, I have to assume that scum wanted to bus Squidy and hope they could scrape together someone else to get more votes than Razmos. This might be a bit risky, but I thought all over D3 that you must have seemed to suspiciously trust me. I think the safer and better option would be for me to write something good for once D4, but does it seem like a terrible idea for Sorian to attack me a bit? Super risky because I would probably choose to lynch myself if I didn't know better. I did it so they wouldn't figure out I was in this chat, but I really hate how all of my Mazre suspicions are trapped inside this thread. Seath was a distraction all day long but I don't think he really did anything stupid until I said that the neutral should kill him. He cares about self-preservation which is totally a scum tell but he is also not the best at all of this (no offense intended) so it's hard to have a real read on him because town or scum Seath would do the same thing. His distraction ahd no chance of saving Razmos though and all it did was inject himself as a lynch candidate instead of throwing suspicion elsewhere. So, I'm not really feeling it in all honesty. It's not the case now that we know of squidyj, but I thought Seath was the hidden partner which is why I coded him being both town and scum (I didn't know they started as scum). My reasoning was how he wanted to be killed by scum and thought he was making himself a target. Then again his ordinary claim at D1 seemed to do the opposite... Maybe he thought that looked suspicious on D1 and that scum would target him and be affected by his bizarre power. Like you said earlier squidyj being recruited doesn't seem to add up. Maybe Raz knew he would probably be killed that day and breadcrumbed this It's risky to assume that no deaths is a good thing though. Whoever they targeted might be a dangerous neutral player or a lost partner. I personally find the lack of death more suspicious than the alternative, unless someone admits that they have a way to block deaths. So town would think they had recruited them. You idea of a role blocker makes a lot of sense to me. That could be why Scrafty went so hard after Razmos. Alright, perfect, so Karu is likely town in my eyes then. All I needed to know, thank you for that footwork. You have definitely come off very very suspect in the actual thread but I do know what you've been saying in here so I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. The thread at large doesn't have that though and you are ordinary so if you become a sticking point, I will push to lynch you to get it out of the way. This will be later though, I think you are fine right now. Yes, if you read Razmos, I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt that squidy got recruited. Razmos seems very naturally against him and that last thing you quoted just further cements him trying to play mind games and it not working.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 7:09:08 GMT -8
I don't know why Steve is hunting me. My death doesn't do anything for town. Just the loss of a SK/Vig and a win for Steve. I'm actually assuming that Steve KNOWS I'm Hiram... after all, I know his name.
The full role PM sounds weird I know... it isn't something I would make up since it is a weird and non-standard death reaction. My PM actually states that the role PM will be plucked from the list of lynch voters or NIGHT KILL voters. As in... there is a vote for the night kill. It used to be the last voter which made me make sure not the be the last voter on anyone... but then Retro changed it to be random. I wish the random day kill time was more random... to have it happen near the end of the day would be nice and stop people from IMMEDIATELY thinking it was a delayed night action.
I have nothing flavor wise on Steve... I haven't even looked up his or my role even... just going by my PM.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 7:12:04 GMT -8
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 7:14:35 GMT -8
I believe my role is too detailed to be a fake-claim, don't you think? I even have another role detailed in my role PM. If Steve exists and we get his flip then my role is proved legitimate. Of course, me killing exactly what we all agree on is also a good indicator of my role. Scum definitely isn't doing the day kills after all. I didn't have to reveal myself, I could have thrown shade on Bro. But now I have a team to help us all win and this prevents me from losing. On night 2 I was afraid of being found out after learning that Sorian's death would reveal my neutrality. It is why I switched to Mazre even if it meant pointing suspicion to people in gossip chat. If I had killed squidy like I had originally planned then the killer wouldn't be assumed to be in gossip chat. But Mazre had a higher chance of being scum and I needed a scum kill to make town trust me. I had a emergency back up plan as well. There was a chance that Sorian would die and reveal me so I considered killing you Ty4on... even though you were most likely to be town. I would make me need to kill more people in order to win and if Sorian didn't end up dying he would be very suspicious of me. I ultimately abandoned that plan and decided to just keep hidden as that is my best option. If people suddenly want to start lynching me out of nowhere we can be sure that either: 1.Scum tried to kill me but failed so now they are trying to turn town against me 2.Steve successfully scanned me and is trying to lead a train on me. Keep in mind that in most instances the people trying to do these things are neutral or scum... not town. Killing a neutral now HURTS town. Town only need to eliminate the mafia to win, but mafia need to have a majority over both town and neutral players. The death of a neutral is a boon to scum. That being said, if I killed Steve I don't believe that would count as one of my kills unless he is town-aligned. If we are sure who Steve is we should lynch him. It is a safe kill that won't accidentally win the game too soon. I'm willing to help you but don't try to sell things that aren't true. The death of a neutral does not hurt town. Town has to pretend that you don't exist because when you win, you leave the game. We have to take that into account when we are doing numbers so lynching a known neutral when we are unsure on scum is a very viable strategy because if we leave you around long enough, you are going to leave the game anyway upon success. I'm still all for lynching your person tomorrow though. As such, I will be going extremely hard on Ferret tomorrow if I am alive. I will say nothing about you unless Ferret roleclaims. If he claims true and corroborates your entire story then I will announce that I know who our neutral killer is (I won't say it's you, of course). Bro will catch on and know that it's either you or Ty4on but I might just let him in on this plan anyway beforehand. I think I can convince town to work with you pretty easily. Basically, if I am alive, just keep faith in me (if you aren't lying, if this is all a lie, you will be in trouble) and if you have issue with keeping faith in me, then refer back to one of my favorite posts so far. Never ever doubt who I can lead a vote train against or how much time I need
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 7:19:00 GMT -8
I don't know why Steve is hunting me. My death doesn't do anything for town. Just the loss of a SK/Vig and a win for Steve. I'm actually assuming that Steve KNOWS I'm Hiram... after all, I know his name. The full role PM sounds weird I know... it isn't something I would make up since it is a weird and non-standard death reaction. My PM actually states that the role PM will be plucked from the list of lynch voters or NIGHT KILL voters. As in... there is a vote for the night kill. It used to be the last voter which made me make sure not the be the last voter on anyone... but then Retro changed it to be random. I wish the random day kill time was more random... to have it happen near the end of the day would be nice and stop people from IMMEDIATELY thinking it was a delayed night action. I have nothing flavor wise on Steve... I haven't even looked up his or my role even... just going by my PM. I would have probably deduced that you were a delayed night kill when Mazre died regardless. I wasn't going to release his name until VERY VERY late in the day phase, probably Thursday night my time. It's fine though, this is good for everyone involved. As for that Coppa post, I think you are looking at it from the wrong angle. He isn't doing an investigation tonight. He saw something he doesn't like already (bet you it Ty4on with our luck) and wants to see how the person plays more before bringing it up. It may be a cover for him already searching you but I don't think that's it.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 7:21:15 GMT -8
If I'm lying it is one of the most elaborate ones I've ever made. I was considering fake claiming (as Steve actually since I knew a lot about his role) but the thought of being caught in the lie frightened me so I stayed hidden. It just seems to me IN THIS GAME that my death will hurt town since one less neutral brings scum closer to winning. Also, I'm actively working to out scum so it isn't like a policy lynch. But... you're right. I'll leave the game when I win (probably Steve too) and then the gulf between the two sides lessens. That's why we got to end it so we both win at the same time. ^_^
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 7:23:24 GMT -8
If we get rid of Steve... then we are only one down to mafia. If I am lynched then you lose TWO people in one day. Obviously, Steve is the better lynch candidate. Also... I can take night kills for the team and kill people too, so... win win.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 7:26:29 GMT -8
It is elaborate and I'm not seeing any of the inconsistencies that I saw when I made Mazre full claim to me (or Razmos' lololol role claim) so yes, I am willing to trust you. Good work not trying to make up a Steve story, you would have been policy lynched real fast if the real Steve turned up. This was great for both of us (and for the Gafia community as well if we do this right). You see because of myself and Makai, Gafia kind of hates neutral players right now so they are very kill on sight these days. I think you can prove that's not the case to a lot of them because I already know that it's not the case. Some neutral players are included in the game to help balance things in town's favor and a lot of people would squander that advantage over nothing else than a hard fast rule of policy lynch the neutral. Gotta look out for my neutral buddies when they have utility that is the same side as me.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 5, 2015 7:27:52 GMT -8
If we get rid of Steve... then we are only one down to mafia. If I am lynched then you lose TWO people in one day. Obviously, Steve is the better lynch candidate. Also... I can take night kills for the team and kill people too, so... win win. Relax, you don't need to convince me. Save it for Steve if he actually finds you and calls you out in the thread. You have friends here, Ty4on even seems on board with the whole thing too.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 7:27:47 GMT -8
Why is that your favorite post? I was super afraid people were going to ask why I wanted to move discussion away from the haiku curse and Boo's death. I wasn't really concerned I would be found out (I mean, the more people talked about it the more shit they got wrong) but I did think we weren't getting anywhere with an actual lynch target.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 7:32:29 GMT -8
I was only going to claim Steve here... then ask you to be quiet so I can hunt Hiram. If the real Steve showed up I'd say that it was Hiram. Of course, there was the possibility that you would side with fake-Hiram because of his abilities! (I would have made him sound scummy I guess... which would hurt me if I decided to switch my story).
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