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Post by palmer on Dec 4, 2015 10:39:22 GMT -8
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 10:41:10 GMT -8
Lol guys, my plan was shit. I thought Scrafty was the investigator and she had gotten a red check on Razmos. NOPE
But hey, you know me, just bumbling my way to victory.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 4, 2015 10:43:20 GMT -8
I wonder how hard it will be to find that last mafia. I really need to go to bed now though.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 10:45:32 GMT -8
Whos to say there is only one left?
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 4, 2015 10:51:50 GMT -8
I'm just guessing. What is the typical size of the scum team?
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 10:54:35 GMT -8
20-25% of the full foster is usually how I gauge it. More if the neutrals are dangerous and less if the neutrals are killers. I think our day killer is a neutral and they are at least a 2-shot so a pretty strong killer.
So I'd, personally, say 1-2 left. Just don't want people having bad assumptions.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 11:13:41 GMT -8
So it's just you two again. I tried to invite Scrafty but it was after day had ended and before the results got posted. I'll just copy/paste myself from Big Rico's since I just wrote all this out:
"In terms of what my plan was (this is great, I'm such a bumbling drunk when it comes to mafia), I thought that Scrafty was our investigator and that she got a red check on Razmos last night. With the dual lynch, I had the bright idea to test out Scrafty in my head. We lynch Razmos (the person who would have been theoretically checked) and Squidy (the person who was putting so much heat onto Razmos from day 1). In my mind only one of them would be scum, if Razmos was scum then boom done, it was a clean investigation. If Squidy was scum and Razmos was inno then it was all a set up from the start and scum had a framer targeting Razmos each night just waiting for the investigator to hit the trap and reveal themselves.
Obviously, THIS WAS NOT THE CASE AT ALL, since Razmos shows up as town regardless. So lolololol to me, I suck, but I did at least say from the start that it was a low risk plan since Squidy and Razmos had been scummy as fuck anyway so proper reads beat out PRs once again."
I didn't want to invite Scrafty until I had seen the Squidy and Razmos flip but right when time hit Razmos decided to twirl his moustache and prove that he was guilty. I sent my invite command to Scrafty immediately but Retro has decreed that my invite won't count. It's cool though, only two of you in here so if scum should kill me and one of you are evil then the thread will know roles and can figure it out easier with only two as opposed to three.
So anyway, here we are, I'm going to re-ask, do either of you want to change the role claim you've made to me thus far? Last chance.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 4, 2015 11:26:11 GMT -8
I'm not the killer. Still an ordinary without my own private cloud.
I feel so scummy for thinking that lynching, you know, two scum was a bad idea.
I thought what you wanted to point out with Scrafty was how the hell her town list was the same you gave to Mazre. I should have thought about more things while making up those numbers. Let alone the fact that many of them made no sense two hours into the day.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 4, 2015 11:29:39 GMT -8
And scummy for those laughable reads.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 11:29:41 GMT -8
I'm not the killer. Still an ordinary without my own private cloud. I feel so scummy for thinking that lynching, you know, two scum was a bad idea. I thought what you wanted to point out with Scrafty was how the hell her town list was the same you gave to Mazre. I should have thought about more things while making up those numbers. Let alone the fact that many of them made no sense two hours into the day. Not your fault Mazre died and made most of that code moot. I had to point out Scrafty and her list somehow and just used what I got. Your response was supposed to be the "6-I agree with this statement" right? I enjoyed talking in code, I felt like Blarg.
AbsolutBro claims ordinary by the way. With no objections, I am also going to tell him who is over here. I trust him and it'll just be him and myself over there with Mazre dead.
Ultra, I know you just went to bed but same question to you. Are you really just ordinary?
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 4, 2015 11:45:10 GMT -8
Mine was six, yes. I tried coding one and two for Seath. I felt using haikus were too obvious at that point
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 11:48:50 GMT -8
I'm sorry I'm very dense with all of this. I almost didn't even notice your six for Scrafty in response to me. But yeah, anyone else using a haiku was going to be too obvious. I know Seath and Mike will read this eventually so I'm not being mean, this is for you in the future. I love you both, I honestly think you are both dumb town right now. You're killing (not literally) me but it's something fun to watch at least
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 4, 2015 15:03:03 GMT -8
Last night, did Squidyj get recruited? He seems like an unlikely target to me. I'm guessing they really wanted to kill Sorian and hoped Setre could self target. I'm guessing he can't and will be one of the targets tonight. I wonder if a dead doctor can protect the same night.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 15:13:22 GMT -8
Read the discussion between myself and Razmos at the very end. He seemed thrilled that at least we lynched Squidy too. I don't think Squidy ever got recruited. Plus Razmos was hoping to throw Squidy to the wolves to save himself, I'm planning to read up a bit when I get off work tonight but I'm pretty sure the scum team was trying to get us on Squidy instead of Razmos especially very early in the day. This was probably the best day a town could have dreamed of, two lynches, two scum, but one scum that the scum team didn't actually know about.
As far as the doctor question, the doc's heal should still count for tonight even if he dies. So yes, even if Setre dies, we may still end up with 1 death.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 4, 2015 17:08:34 GMT -8
Then they might have already tried you and are reluctant to try again. I think Coppa, Ultra and AB are on the table as well. Also because they must think the day killer is there somewhere. It might be a smart idea to leave that killer alone though and hope they just kill townies from now on, but risky.
It would have been so awesome if I had been the killer. I kinda wanted to sacrifice myself to save them (out myself as the killer), but being in a gossip kinda makes me a power role. On a tangent note I hope Coppa survives. He could have been a good choice for this thread now that we know he is town.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 17:22:24 GMT -8
I'm currently building a mega post (I'm going to post it in here and to AB and will be doing that for most of my info going forward just so everyone is on the same page) and I was kind of thinking about it. It still doesn't make sense that scum would have tried to kill me. Mazre knew what I was, killing me wasn't really going to silence what I had to say at all. Even if you or Jay were scum, the other one could still reveal everything and I doubt you are both scum. It's crazy but I'm wondering if the roleblocker hit the killer last night. It's something to look into if there are no kills tonight (that poor double kill lol).
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 4, 2015 17:48:28 GMT -8
Sorry for taking your thunder Sorian. I needed to know who to trust. Will post more when I get home.
I actually need to keep my identity hidden as much as possible. I hope I'm not the one Coppa was talking about watching at the end.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 4, 2015 17:49:22 GMT -8
That being said, Squidy was my target before I learned of Mazre.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 17:54:31 GMT -8
So you are the killer? Haha yes! Talk to me, please, I love neutrals, I am perfectly willing to help you reach your goal. You've been so helpful to us, it would only be fair. Also, big post incoming, a work in progress of day 3.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 17:54:52 GMT -8
Man, fuck us, hinting at that lost partner right in the open.This post made me think of something. Mazre knew what I was. If Setre is telling the truth, what would possibly convince them to target me? It still makes 0 sense. Mazre knew I would have had two other people in my chat and even if one was scum, the other would still be able to talk. If we assume they didn't convert Squidy then that just leaves a roleblocker. If their is no kill again tonight (that poor double kill) then it might be something to look into. In hindsight, it almost reads like him knocking a teammate. Just funny to me. Scrafty went in HARDCORE on Razmos from second one in the day. She isn't scum, it's as simple as that, there is 0 doubt in my mind. Razmos Read List. He only did top 3 in each category. I know I'm town and I know Scrafty is town so he chose two pretty obvious towns and the doctor claim, I'm not too worried about the doctor claim because that's a lie that will dissolve over time. Top scum was squidy, gryvan, and AB. Razmos thought Squidy was town from my point of view, AB is claiming ordinary to me but gut check says town, which just leaves gryvan. Would Razmos have mentioned a team member or just ignored them completely? Not sure. I've read Pop as scummy but this was way too early in the day to really start bussing and Pop left his vote here for the entire day phase. It could be brownie points but I doubt it. I can only assume that Squidy's plan from the start was to instigate Razmos as much as possible and hope to incite some type of PR reaction from him or even a kill if Razmos was really sloppy. If he ended up getting Razmos lynched, he probably figured that town would hail him as a hero for the rest of the game and assume scum was elsewhere. That's why he kept begging me for one more day, he knew if I saw Razmos' flip, I would back down going forward from lynching him. So happy we didn't get side tracked by Seath, even if Seath was scum, this could have been disastrous if Squidy had pulled it off. I town read Gryvan but this post was totally going to be a side track. It was so out there going after Coppa that I can't see gryvan being in a scum chat. They would have told him to go after a more realistic target. Whether Coppa is scum or not, gryvan was not going to start a lynch on him right then. Coppa did this a lot during the day so I won't quote him again unless I want to bring up another point. I think he is town because of him bringing up town's win condition on day 1 so he is mostly cleared for me anyway but his prodding everyone was a distraction away from the Razmos train starting, once it was in effect, whatever, all well and good, but it's something to point out. Not so secret favorite post
I don't think scum would have brought up Razmos right now. He was teetering on the brink and with two lynches, anything to forget about him would have been perfect for scum. He hadn't been mentioned for awhile at this point. Just absed on this post alone, I don't think Ferret is scum. Another funny post in retrospect. I think this was Squidy giving scum advice which kind of furthers my point that he wasn't recruited. Here is where I became deadly serious on Razmos. I'm not going to toot my horn too much but people who play with me know that I can become single tracked once I am sure of something. Scum might not have known I was sure of Razmos yet but I imagine once they realized it, the bus had to have started. It was a double lynch day, there was no way I wasn't going to be a main contributor to one of the lynches. This post is straight up protecting Razmos. I am copy/pasting this same post to both chats so Ty4on will see this. There is no other way to read this post so I'll let it sit out there. Another post that was only going to help Razmos. I think scum had always had it in their head to go after Squidy on this day, possibly because I suspected him so hard in gossip chat. Another knock on you Ty4on, I have to assume that scum wanted to bus Squidy and hope they could scrape together someone else to get more votes than Razmos. I mostly read Stanley as absentee town. This post kind of reinforces that. I think the Razmos bussing will start soon but this was just a simple reads list, not a vote. Stanley could have just not mentioned Razmos or not made a reads list at all and no one would have said anything except maybe Coppa but we were all focused on other things anyway. Here's a funny thought. This is a bus post. I only have one reason for thinking that though so if someone can answer me then go for it, I'm too lazy to go back through day 1 and day 2. How does Karu know that Razmos quit early in a past game due to RL? Did Razmos bring that up in this thread? It sticks out to me, please tell me if Razmos said it in thread because if so then this post could actually paint Karu as town to me. It's huge if Karu posted knowledge he gained from scum chat. At this point Razmos had 5 votes and most of the voters seemed dead set, on a double lynch day, the bussing would have to start by now, even if they could convince us to lynch Squidy, it would take great persuasion to save Razmos. For those that think Squidy did get recruited, Flush is a possible scum buddy. He tries multiple times to convince us to lynch Seath and let the 3P kill Squidy. The 3P is not guaranteed in anyway to listen to us, this could have been an attempt to save Squidy hope that the neutral would ignore my request. If Squidy had joined scum chat and explained his plan, Flush would have known that Squidy would have been on most town lists after Razmos died. This only works if you think Squidy got recruited. To be continued for now, going out to dinner!
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 20:07:06 GMT -8
Seath was a distraction all day long but I don't think he really did anything stupid until I said that the neutral should kill him. He cares about self-preservation which is totally a scum tell but he is also not the best at all of this (no offense intended) so it's hard to have a real read on him because town or scum Seath would do the same thing. His distraction ahd no chance of saving Razmos though and all it did was inject himself as a lynch candidate instead of throwing suspicion elsewhere. So, I'm not really feeling it in all honesty. This was an odd post, I completely think TL21 is town but I offered no real logic on Squidy other than "guys, please trust me" I was actually confused on this point but it is important to keep in mind that Flush pushed the same thing as me. Scum may have clarified how this worked in scum chat and Flush may have pushed the incorrect version purposely. At this point, I think the Razmos bus would have been in affect so it makes sense from that perspective. Scum also probably wouldn't have been confused like I was seeing as how they had both Mazre and Razmos who are both vets from the AC game (which this game is heavily based off of from what I am seeing). Ty4on went up to bat A LOT for Razmos on day 3. This really can't be ignored the more you dig through it. Scum would have been pushing something by now either to save Razmos or bus him and get brownie points. Stanley sat on the fence which could be an inexperienced scum move but I feel like Razmos had to be doing a bit of coaching in scum chat. Squidy was cutting DEEP on Razmos, I highly doubt that he would bus a second teammate. So this kind of lends itself to a town read of Flush. On the other hand, he is kind of protecting Seath here, kind of interesting actually. Same idea as the Stanley link two above this one. I don't feel like scum would have been fence sitting today. It was double lynch day, they would have known by now that Razmos was a sure thing and it was going to be between Squidy or Seath barring other shenanigans. Razmos probably would have been pushing them to do something other than fence sitting. An interesting vote for Seath but I don't see it being useful for scum. Razmos had already thrown his vote on Squidy, they had to vote together to have a chance. But then gryvan immediately changes his vote to squidy anyway. So, yes, this could have been a moment to try to detract from Razmos, gryvan gives no reasoning though so there was no intent here to convince others. Someone else noticed that Ty4on has been going up to bat for Razmos even from day 1. I may end up doing another re-read of day 1 and day 2. Anyone trying to protect Razmos from mean old squidy regularly is suspect at this point. Could be a bus, the late Razmos votes need to be eyed suspiciously IMO. A good post in general, the vote didn't end up shaking out because of the theory but the theory is still on the table. I find it hard to believe that Mazre didn't set some type of trap for me even if I didn't fall for it. Does push Squidy though but seems far too late to save Razmos, scum should be bussing not going elsewhere at this point. Totally a bus post if Mike is scum, this just screams late to the party especially when Mike had been active earlier in the day. Also a bus post and rushing the bus too, Flush is 100% scum if we have a clue that Squidy was recruited. Flush goes up to bat a lot for Squidy in various ways. IF SOMEONE CAN SHOW ME THAT SQUIDY WAS RECRUITED THEN FLUSH NEEDS TO DIE. This post feels very pro-town though knowing all that we know right now. Too late to even be considered a bus vote at this point. Slowbro townie from this post. Razmos is dead at this point, scum can't do anything else for him and as far as I am concerned, they think they can kill a valuable townie in logical Squidy.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 20:25:58 GMT -8
Now as far as voting patterns go, I don't know how much their is to see. Razmos only ever voted for trigger and always kept his vote their on day 1 and 2. Would have cleared trigger if we let him live but that ship has sailed.
Squidy joke voted for Ferret on day one and then switched to Razmos where he kept it for the rest of the day. Squidy was obviously trying to incite retaliation from the scum team so he would get recruited. It is possible his joke vote was also meant to have this reaction, in which case Ferret is also scum. Something to think about. Squidy straight up didn't vote on day 2. Day 3 he voted and held to Razmos all day along. I congratulate him on his strat, he was going for high risk/high reward. This double lynch caused it to blow in his face though.
Squidy was the only person to ever vote for Razmos on day 1 and no one voted for Razmos on day 2.
So, not a lot to be seen from the vote record so far.
(Yes, this is what I am doing with my Friday night, I am so terribly exciting).
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 20:37:51 GMT -8
So, after all of that, where do I, personally stand?
Leaning Town: Scrafty, Pop, Coppa, Stanley, Absolut
Leaning Scum: Ty4on, Karu (unless there is a place in the main thread where Razmos said he had to quit a prior game, I would need to see the post and he may be re-assigned to leaning town), Mike
Unsure: gryvan, Ferret, Flush (unless we see real evidence that Squidy did get recruited then Flush would be re-assigned to leaning scum), Seath
Anyone not listed really didn't do anything one way or the other on day 3 so I'm not worried about them for right now. I doubt scum just 100% sat on their hands when their godfather/wolf cub was the main point of contention.
I'm basically 100% on Scrafty, Pop, and Coppa being town. Stanley and Absolut are more iffy but probably.
I am basically 100% sure that the last 1-2 scum are in my leaning scum or unsure category and all of my reasoning can be dug out from my post analysis posts.
The two post analysis posts, the voting analysis post, and this post are all word-for-word in both Big Rico's and Jerry's Tacos. If I die, I expect Absolut to pass on as much of my thoughts as he can to the main thread. If Absolut dies as well then I leave it to UltraJay and then to Ty4on if Ultra dies, in that order. I'm not too concerned about these gossip chats at this point. We have scum on the ropes, this game could be over in one or two more day phases if we play our cards right.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 20:39:12 GMT -8
Alright and now with all of that out of the way. UltraJay! Come back! Your story interests me and I want to hear it, depending on how this all goes, I think we can wrap this up mutually well for the both of us.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 4, 2015 20:56:29 GMT -8
You will be asleep when I get off work in 3 hours. I really need my secret hidden however as there is another player hunting me. I believe they are neutral as I know their win condition: They need to convince town to lynch me.
If we win too quick I won't win. You may want to give your top scum to me to kill and don't let on you think they are scum. Every third night I am unable to kill. Night 4 and 5 are the next times I can kill. I need to kill 1 scum or 2 town left until I win. Obviously I am gunning for scum. But if we kill the last scum on Day 4 I won't win.
I'm for whatever is the funniest. I wanted to not be revealed until I won but things didn't turn out that way after I got invited to this chat.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 4, 2015 20:59:47 GMT -8
I admit... Getting the last scum kill as a day kill and ending the game with both me and town winning at the same time would be hilarious.
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Post by Sorian on Dec 4, 2015 21:46:49 GMT -8
You will be asleep when I get off work in 3 hours. I really need my secret hidden however as there is another player hunting me. I believe they are neutral as I know their win condition: They need to convince town to lynch me. If we win too quick I won't win. You may want to give your top scum to me to kill and don't let on you think they are scum. Every third night I am unable to kill. Night 4 and 5 are the next times I can kill. I need to kill 1 scum or 2 town left until I win. Obviously I am gunning for scum. But if we kill the last scum on Day 4 I won't win. I'm for whatever is the funniest. I wanted to not be revealed until I won but things didn't turn out that way after I got invited to this chat. Oh this is fun. Well, if you are telling the truth, then I predict that you and your lyncher are the only two neutrals in the game. I want to side with you. You were a tremendous help and I have no reason to deny you your win because, honestly, it is thanks to you that we even got this advantage. If we had to waste all day yesterday with Mazre, I doubt we would have hit a second scum or it would have been Razmos and we would have all been hailing Squidy right now. I mention that you are both probably the only two neutrals because we may as well just cut to the chase. I want you to tell me everything you can about yourself: What is your role? What is your power? (night activation like I guessed?) What is your exact win condition? Spell it out for me please (paraphrased of course) What happens if you kill your lyncher? Are you immune to being killed at night? I'll even do you a solid, this is an easy one. The person trying to lynch you is Unmasked Ferret. Neutral lyncher is a funny role, you are forced to bandwagon on every single vote because if you aren't present on the vote and your target gets lynched, you still lose. You have to be one of the voters (unless Retro really felt like making the role easy). If we look at the Darklighter vote from D1, the only people still alive aside from myself are Flush, Ferret, and Scrafty. Trigger was voted out the following day and the only one present from those three on that vote was Ferret. Ferret was then present on the Razmos vote. You'll notice that shortly before Ferret threw his hat in with Razmos, I was starting to say that I was thinking Razmos was actually our neutral. You'll also notice that Ferret vote on everyone that I was swinging votes to on D2. He started at Pop, followed me over to Setre when I started to gain momentum, and then followed me right over to Trigger when I called for that next. So there you go, Ferret is your man. This is actually pretty simple IMO. We get Ferret lynched tomorrow. Without your kill, going into tomorrow, we will have 14 players: 10-11 town, 2 neutrals, and 1-2 scum. We kill a neutral, scum kills a town, you kill a scum or a town. If you kill scum, following day is 10 players (you would be ejected from the game for winning): 9-10 town, 0-1 scum If you kill town, that day is 11 players: 8-9 town, 1 neutral, 1-2 scum Now if you do kill town on N4, that's where things get tricky, the town is going to have to attempt to lynch scum, if there is only one scum left and we lynch it then you will lose, that's why our selection for you on N4 is going to be extremely important to you winning. Ultimately, that choice is going to be yours. Continuing from there though, this is if you killed town N4, D5 will have a lynch. If we lynch scum, we go into N5 with 10 players: 8-9 town, 1 neutral, 0-1 scum If we lynch town, we go into N5 with 10 players: 7-8 town, 1 neutral, 1-2 scum You will kill and regardless of who you hit, you win and are ejected from the game. Scum will kill a town again If you kill scum, D6 is 7 players: 6-7 town, 0-1 scum If you kill town, D6 is 7 players: 5-7 town, 0-2 scum So basically, if we all of a sudden shit the bed on this idea, you would still win and town would still have a 5 vs. 2 situation at worst. I think town has enough knowledge to not even get screwed over that far but thye can easily figure it out if the numbers got the low. I'm willing to gamble with you here. That was total napkin math, correct me if I am wrong anywhere So doing this is easy, if I am alive, I levy an extremely convincing argument against ferret from the start (I can make one, he was already suss). Scum is going to JUMP on that because ferret isn't one of them and they should be desperate at this point. We let you pick off one of those people that jump, you should get your win by scum death easy.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 0:43:51 GMT -8
Ty4on has been quiet lately... because you posted that he may be scum? If he is then he is hearing our whole plan.
Here we go... I wasn't expecting to reveal this... I could have thrown suspicion on Bro as somehow trying to see if you were telling the truth about Mazre... but that's what I did!
I am Hiram McDaniels, and I am literally a Five Headed Dragon.
That means I'm a neutral serial killer/vigilante.
Every night I get the chance to BURN someone. My win condition is based on a kill quota. 1 Town, 2 Mafia or 3 Town, 1 Mafia. This makes me look SUPER towny as I have to find scum in order to win. The kills happen at a random time in the day (not random enough Retro! Can't let it happen 2 days in for once?).
I have 5 heads and they don't all agree. The red and blue heads want to kill townsfolk. The gold and purple heads want to kill scum. The green head doesn't like violence and wonders why we all can't get along. Every 2 kills I have to take a night off. I asked what would happen if I kill the mafia NK target and was told that it doesn't use up a kill and I can try the next night even if that was supposed to be my 2nd kill. I don't know what happens if I kill someone protected or bulletproof.
However, I am bulletproof xInfinity. I can never be night killed. I am not immune to other night actions and it is ONLY immunity to mafia nightkills. We can try and maybe trick the mafia into trying to kill me. Unless they already did on Night 2. But then nobody tried to start a train on me for revenge so... maybe not.
Someone is hunting me. You think it is Ferret but this person knows that I am Hiram. They have a night action where they can scan a player to see if they are me. It is just a yes or no answer to the question "Is this person literally a five headed dragon?" They win when I am killed by town. No other stipulations. If I am lynched, they win. I'm thinking this is even post-death as well as their death can reveal my existence.
I never run out of kills. Just need to fill my quota. When I win I leave the game and the game continues for everyone else.
Here is the crazy thing. If my hunter (Steve Carlsberg) gets night killed or lynched than one of the voters is selected at random to have their full role PM sent to the Sheriff's secret police. (This used to be the final voter but this was changed not long into the game by Retro) I don't know if the secret police role have that power as their default investigative power or if it is a Steve Carlsberg Special. This may make Scrafty still a cop. She may have received Razmos' full role PM as her investigation. You should have invited her sooner in the day so we could ask her.
Ferret may still be Steve but Coppa seems to have a distrust in neutrals plus he has some info he is gathering (during the night?). He is either doing a Steve scan or a watcher. No one will see me visiting anyone tonight anyways.
Basically I can kill 2 town or 1 scum and I win. The earliest I can win is Day 5. Latest is Day 6 if all my kills go through.
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Post by ultrajay on Dec 5, 2015 0:47:23 GMT -8
Also Karu definitely read about Razmos' personal problems from the last game in the Nightvale thread as I read it there too. It was when Razmos was complaining about Squidy hounding him.
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Post by Ty4on on Dec 5, 2015 3:11:16 GMT -8
Here's a funny thought. This is a bus post. I only have one reason for thinking that though so if someone can answer me then go for it, I'm too lazy to go back through day 1 and day 2. How does Karu know that Razmos quit early in a past game due to RL? Did Razmos bring that up in this thread? It sticks out to me, please tell me if Razmos said it in thread because if so then this post could actually paint Karu as town to me. It's huge if Karu posted knowledge he gained from scum chat. I just searcher "quit archer" and got this (Nov 30): Could have sworn there was more, but I couldn't find it as I rushed through Raz' posts. I know I learned in this game that Raz was scum who was also replaced in Archer. I only read the first day of Archer and quit following Cthulhu and Archer when I joined DR. This post is straight up protecting Razmos. I am copy/pasting this same post to both chats so Ty4on will see this. There is no other way to read this post so I'll let it sit out there. Another post that was only going to help Razmos. I think scum had always had it in their head to go after Squidy on this day, possibly because I suspected him so hard in gossip chat. Another knock on you Ty4on, I have to assume that scum wanted to bus Squidy and hope they could scrape together someone else to get more votes than Razmos. This might be a bit risky, but I thought all over D3 that you must have seemed to suspiciously trust me. I think the safer and better option would be for me to write something good for once D4, but does it seem like a terrible idea for Sorian to attack me a bit? Super risky because I would probably choose to lynch myself if I didn't know better. I did it so they wouldn't figure out I was in this chat, but I really hate how all of my Mazre suspicions are trapped inside this thread. Seath was a distraction all day long but I don't think he really did anything stupid until I said that the neutral should kill him. He cares about self-preservation which is totally a scum tell but he is also not the best at all of this (no offense intended) so it's hard to have a real read on him because town or scum Seath would do the same thing. His distraction ahd no chance of saving Razmos though and all it did was inject himself as a lynch candidate instead of throwing suspicion elsewhere. So, I'm not really feeling it in all honesty. It's not the case now that we know of squidyj, but I thought Seath was the hidden partner which is why I coded him being both town and scum (I didn't know they started as scum). My reasoning was how he wanted to be killed by scum and thought he was making himself a target. Then again his ordinary claim at D1 seemed to do the opposite... Maybe he thought that looked suspicious on D1 and that scum would target him and be affected by his bizarre power. Like you said earlier squidyj being recruited doesn't seem to add up. Maybe Raz knew he would probably be killed that day and breadcrumbed this It's risky to assume that no deaths is a good thing though. Whoever they targeted might be a dangerous neutral player or a lost partner. I personally find the lack of death more suspicious than the alternative, unless someone admits that they have a way to block deaths. So town would think they had recruited them. You idea of a role blocker makes a lot of sense to me. That could be why Scrafty went so hard after Razmos.
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