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Post by acohrs on Jan 15, 2017 14:50:03 GMT -8
I think Town will win ultimately but it will be a hardfought win. From what I've seen of scummates, it's not very organised and quite frankly theyre riding their luck a bit. Rich of me to say I know.
Cant wait for D3, Saw, can we get a hint of the SK's win condition? Don't want to know who it is yet, just how much longer they have until they complete it!
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 15, 2017 16:29:15 GMT -8
No, I agree with you Acohrs. Not counting Day 1 they are riding on luck and now with the main distraction out of the way ( sorry CCS ;__; ) they don't have anything prominent to hide behind and I don't feel their combined actions of Day 1 and 2 are enough to keep them in the clear. Town is probably going to aimlessly wander for a bit because it's Gafia but I think Town will pull through in the end. But it's still pretty early to really tell.
SK is the normal win condition: they win when they are the last player standing.
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Post by acohrs on Jan 16, 2017 4:29:20 GMT -8
Oh wow, so they dont exit after x number of kills? This is even more interesting! Putting all my fake bucks on Kawl still
Looking at scum commands and the level of chat, I'm even less confident...
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Post by ccs on Jan 16, 2017 15:09:14 GMT -8
Hahaha man are town in trouble now. Down to 13, town have lost two PRs and there's still a serial killer and three scum on the loose. Oh dear  |
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 16, 2017 15:09:20 GMT -8
Who is the scum team? Also really like that you guys put in a normal so. Under utilized role imo.
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Post by natiko on Jan 16, 2017 15:19:47 GMT -8
Here's to hoping town make a good choice today. Otherwise I have a feeling this will go all the way sideways lol
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Post by Kawl on Jan 16, 2017 15:34:44 GMT -8
Mafias dumb. I was a likely easy mislynch later in the game if not today. Feel like I was a bad kill PR not withstanding :/
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Post by Kawl on Jan 16, 2017 15:35:03 GMT -8
By mafia I mean the game not the team
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 16, 2017 16:00:47 GMT -8
Maybe. Cabot is probably the only other person mostly being town read.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 16, 2017 17:26:20 GMT -8
Welcome Tim, Natiko, and Kawl! You can thank the Scum team for the Lovers death, they changed their target last minute. c: Who is the scum team? Also really like that you guys put in a normal so. Under utilized role imo.  Mafias dumb. I was a likely easy mislynch later in the game if not today. Feel like I was a bad kill PR not withstanding :/ |
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 16, 2017 17:55:49 GMT -8
This is starting to tie into what Crab was talking about the other day with Gafia's weird 'lynch the actives' meta.
There's a really nice team-sized chunk of players that are coasting and nobody is pushing for their lynch or focusing on them. It's very easy for Scum to push for an inactives lynch yet nobody is doing so...and so far, only active players have died...hmmm....
Put it all together, Town. I believe in you.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 16, 2017 18:37:53 GMT -8
That's like mafia's biggest design flaw, and it's not gafia specific. The thing is it makes mafia super boring because those lynches are neither fun to put cases for or actually carry out. Finding out most of your energy went into to town / town stuff is disheartening.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 16, 2017 18:39:13 GMT -8
Though if it gets bad enough I guess town's meta will just turn into policy lynching inactives.
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Post by natiko on Jan 16, 2017 19:33:32 GMT -8
Surprised we even got close to living. Once CCS flipped town me and Tim just accepted our deaths lol
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 16, 2017 20:57:29 GMT -8
That's like mafia's biggest design flaw, and it's not gafia specific. The thing is it makes mafia super boring because those lynches are neither fun to put cases for or actually carry out. Finding out most of your energy went into to town / town stuff is disheartening. Hmm, yeah, I agree. But I feel like even if a Scum player ( or Team ) is coasting then getting them to speak up and putting pressure on them can get them to be active and participating more. It's more frustrating than talking with an already active player instead of prodding someone but it's still a part of the game. Right now it just seems like the coasters are getting a free pass. Surprised we even got close to living. Once CCS flipped town me and Tim just accepted our deaths lol It wasn't until someone in the Scum Chat brought up the fact that they did just steal a 1-shot BP from you that they decided to change targets. |
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Post by acohrs on Jan 16, 2017 23:02:01 GMT -8
If magnum isn't lynched tonight with no vote yesterday and doing feck all, then I hope town lose
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Post by ccs on Jan 17, 2017 2:28:30 GMT -8
Town are pretty clueless right now. How many scum did I get right again?
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 17, 2017 6:55:32 GMT -8
splint pls
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 17, 2017 7:32:03 GMT -8
One good thing is at this point the sk really needs to go scum hunting. He can't win at this rate either
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 17, 2017 10:52:29 GMT -8
Town are pretty clueless right now. How many scum did I get right again? Your Scum reads were Melon, Stan, and Bronx, right? You're half right on one of them if you consider being Neutral 'half scum' :p One good thing is at this point the sk really needs to go scum hunting. He can't win at this rate either Yeah, I'm expecting them to hit Scum sooner rather than later. Scum is starting to consider looking for the SK as well since they are beginning to get worried. Unfortunately they already have targeted the SK but the ability failed and they are unaware of that so they are debating giving that person a free pass from a NK and try to look elsewhere. :x |
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Post by ccs on Jan 17, 2017 11:17:35 GMT -8
I'll take it |
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 17, 2017 23:14:15 GMT -8
Hmm, I hope somebody calls Ynnek out for that vote + post. There's way too many assumptions in that post that lead into the vote for it to make any sense. Not only is he assuming the SK has a 'kill X players to Win' condition, but that Stan the SK targets Natiko and targets him knowing he is a Lover to clear himself for one more Night. Also not quite sure how 'even if he didn't target Natiko, targeting Kawl clears him too' makes Stan the SK. :x
Then again, Magnum and Terra have done something similar and never got called out on it.
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Post by acohrs on Jan 18, 2017 3:47:19 GMT -8
damn was wrong on Kawl, oh well. Based on Saw's breadcrumbs, I'm pretty certain who the SK is. It is amazing how they seem to have this persona of being quiet and just coming in and out of games and thats not a problem. This is where the meta game falls apart, when it gives peeps a free pass because of their previous play style rather than what's going on rn
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Post by acohrs on Jan 18, 2017 3:49:30 GMT -8
Although I was scum, I think even as town I'd want to lynch inactives first. I'm more worried about unknowns and quiets than loud types. Loud types give you stuff to read and interpret, quiet types leave nothing and don't anything useful until lynched IMO.
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Post by acohrs on Jan 18, 2017 3:53:17 GMT -8
Looking at the scumchat, they are really not discussing whether their roleblock is doing anything at all. Just seems like they choose a different character name every night, but don't discuss whether it changed anything. This makes me sad...
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Post by franconp on Jan 18, 2017 4:25:47 GMT -8
Although I was scum, I think even as town I'd want to lynch inactives first. I'm more worried about unknowns and quiets than loud types. Loud types give you stuff to read and interpret, quiet types leave nothing and don't anything useful until lynched IMO. There is not need to lynch inactives. Inactives will be proded and eventually replaced. Who I think should be are the coasters. Players who post to make it seem they have a presence in the game but give you nothing to work with. People who keep making only jokes or just larching on other people reads but won't make a commitment with anything. Those are the worst, because as the game progress you realize that are completly null on them. |
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Post by natiko on Jan 18, 2017 6:37:13 GMT -8
Yeah this game combined with my first game is quickly going to cause me to pivot and lynch anyone that isn't contributing much lol
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 18, 2017 7:55:36 GMT -8
The reason I always hesitate with that is which coaster do you Lynch all things equal? If you Lynch the wrong one, you learn nothing.
I think I'll start being more open to the idea though
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Post by natiko on Jan 18, 2017 8:31:55 GMT -8
Which is why typically I had avoided it - but at this point it seems like focusing on those that are active leads to doing scum's job for them mostly while they cruise to victory.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 18, 2017 11:45:25 GMT -8
Trying to find Scum in the coasting group is the part that really sucks about having coasting Townies. There is 1 Townie right now in this coasting group but they are indistinguishable from the Scum around them and it wouldn't surprise me if that was the one Town ended up lynching.
Although if you guys find a method that works to distinguish coasting scum vs coasting town let me know. I've tried looking at intent behind a post when someone doesn't have a lot of talk in the thread to try and figure out what they're doing but it doesn't always work out. Usually if someone coasts but is at least putting forth questions/trying to 'figure things out' they are Town and Scum end up just passively 'watching' everything but that rule doesn't always work.
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