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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 11, 2017 14:33:26 GMT -8
TBH and I saw some of them saying it in the mafia team thread after I died, but if a certain townie hadnt switched their vote at the last minute, would have been a tie. Got unlucky there! The problem here was also that I was scum last game and so I think a few like Cabot just voted for me because I was playing quite similar, and since CCS was townie and playing the same way again as in Pop, it just came down to acohrs was scum before and played this way so its a safer lynch vote. V hopeful to be townie next game so I know how it actually feels, being scum twice so far only its been v hard to think how a townie does since I cant really put myself in their shoes. I was surprised I got so much shit for unvoting after CCS did, especially since I voted for the same person that I voted for before voting for myself. Maybe if I left the vote on myself, that would have gone better. Biggest problem though is I didn't handle suspicion well, having such a powerful PR, I panicked after the initial suspicions and tried to double down but that seemed to increase suspicion. Really should have been less involved D1 and posted more fluff, that didnt seem to hurt anyone else! It wasn't that you were too involved but it's that you were drawing attention to yourself when a couple people already didn't like your more 'laid back' style. Prior to your self-vote for CCS I don't think anyone actually scum read you when compared to your last game, a few actually Town Read you because they felt you were more 'sloppy' here than in Pop. Not having any teammates to help or guide you didn't help your situation either since it could have been avoided if things had gone a little differently. I don't know how long you had survived with Sorian AND Fran on you from early on but you probably could have made it a few Day Phases at the very least. Towards the end what really did you in was the unvote for CCS ( although anything you did at that point would have gathered suspicion imo ) and the attempt to tie vote right before the Day Ended. A Townie absolutely avoids a tie vote at the end, so trying to get one made it pretty clear you weren't Town. :p
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Post by acohrs on Jan 11, 2017 15:04:54 GMT -8
haha yeah but that was a few minutes to go, at that point it was like feck it.
also i didnt unvote CCS, i unvoted myself after CCS unvoted themself
Also, Sorian and Franconp down! Id say Fran was scumkill and Sorian was neutralkill, but not sure, might go peep in the scumthread just to make sure
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Post by franconp on Jan 11, 2017 15:10:11 GMT -8
Second time I get killed the first night. It sucks.
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Post by acohrs on Jan 11, 2017 15:13:41 GMT -8
hey fran, what are your thoughts?
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Post by franconp on Jan 11, 2017 15:16:17 GMT -8
I had CCS, Magnum, Ynnek and Natiko as my suspects.
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Post by acohrs on Jan 11, 2017 15:18:11 GMT -8
1 of those is right, wont say which! My guess is there is a neutral serial killer somewhere who did the 2nd night kill, prolly has to kill 2 or 3 peeps before winning. No idea, who it could be, maybe Sophia or Melon?
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Post by franconp on Jan 11, 2017 15:20:52 GMT -8
So I wasn't killed by scum? Two times in a row killed by a neutral?
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Post by acohrs on Jan 11, 2017 15:27:00 GMT -8
Nah you were most probably scum, sorian was neutral
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 11, 2017 15:28:06 GMT -8
Welcome Fran and Sorian! So I wasn't killed by scum? Two times in a row killed by a neutral? Scum killed you. Our Neutral was feeling bold and killed Sorian. :p
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Post by acohrs on Jan 11, 2017 15:30:23 GMT -8
everyone is spelling my name right in the thread, my death was worth it! :')
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Post by acohrs on Jan 11, 2017 15:34:58 GMT -8
barring of course losing a 3 shot ninja and a scummy, day end went perfect for scum as townies are reading way too much into the unvotes. Bunch of townies turning on each other, if the scummies are good now they can use this for a few days!
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Post by franconp on Jan 11, 2017 15:41:13 GMT -8
All the voting thing was to quick and in a really small time frame. I don't think it is a good idea to keep focusing on just that.
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Post by verelios on Jan 11, 2017 16:02:58 GMT -8
Well, the night ended about as well as I'd expect for scum. Though my guess was Sorian-Ty-Fran for night lynch for how involved they get, in about that order. Welcome guys!
Pretty surprised the doctor wasn't on Fran or Sorian after their push yesterday though...whoever could it be?
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Post by verelios on Jan 11, 2017 16:05:59 GMT -8
Also, my policy would be to lynch Ynnek all the time in case he's neutral, lol. Kidding, though killing Sorian is a pretty...wide ranging move from our neutral.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 11, 2017 16:09:32 GMT -8
Pretty sure Dr. Sorian would have protected himself if he could. :p
Although the Neutral did surprise me. Didn't except a high profile target to start their reign of terror.
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Post by verelios on Jan 11, 2017 17:04:46 GMT -8
Just realized that was a stupid question. Doctor cant (they can't right?) save themselves right? Double ouch for town. Can I ask who Sorian protected at night?
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 11, 2017 17:10:50 GMT -8
Just realized that was a stupid question. Doctor cant (they can't right?) save themselves right? Double ouch for town. Can I ask who Sorian protected at night? It's actually up to the gamerunner if a Doctor can Self-Protect or not, although normally they can't. He protected Cabot.
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Post by verelios on Jan 11, 2017 19:46:03 GMT -8
Lolololololol oh Sorian
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Post by acohrs on Jan 11, 2017 23:03:12 GMT -8
Nobody wants to lynch that guy, just give him a beer and wait for him to start swinging!
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Post by acohrs on Jan 12, 2017 1:10:36 GMT -8
If they lynch CCS is it just back to D1 or would that cause more confusion?
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Post by franconp on Jan 12, 2017 1:46:09 GMT -8
Actually CCS is not a bad lynch. If he is scum several players denied the possibility of both of you been scum so they will be looked more closely. If he is town, he isn't a very cooperative one so it's not a big lost. Also will finally end that discussion, because CCS game was so bad that I don't think he can't regain town trust again.
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Post by verelios on Jan 12, 2017 2:08:28 GMT -8
If CCS is scum then Bronx is getting reamed
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Post by franconp on Jan 12, 2017 2:40:17 GMT -8
If Magnum is scum (even if he is not) I think Absolut can be scum. Magnum vote for AB was similar to Acohrs vote to Magnum. Also the tie that he did was really scummy. I know that later he finally made the kill but he could easily made it to clear his name after several called him out for being scum. Also the timming of the unvote is scummy. He voted after the game should have ended. He could have hoped to cast a vote just after game end and say that he tried but couldn't make the lynch. He didn't knew that Lone had posted 30 seconds before so giving a little extra time before day end as he had to wait for the "60 second between post" Gaf's rule before ending the day.
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Post by acohrs on Jan 12, 2017 6:15:32 GMT -8
I don't think CCS will be lynched today. His point on Sorian and Franconp trusting him if I flipped scum will save him IMO.
I think only one scummy is doing a good job so far, although they will need to up their activity level now to avoid suspicion later. The other 2, well, not so confident.
On another note, how long until everyone turns on Magnum? The points raised on D1 are still valid, and CCS and me just pushed them to the back of the mind for now.
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Post by franconp on Jan 12, 2017 6:33:30 GMT -8
I didn't said that I trusted him if you flipped scum. I said the opposite, several times.
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Post by acohrs on Jan 12, 2017 6:37:03 GMT -8
did you, haha well CCS has used Sorian's comment then and wrapped it up like you both said it. I wonder if someone else will spot that...
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Post by acohrs on Jan 12, 2017 6:37:55 GMT -8
I also feel that CCS voting for anyone rn was like me voting for Sorian. Just pissing in the wind!
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Post by franconp on Jan 12, 2017 6:46:34 GMT -8
Cabot too twisted that. I don't know what he is doing. I hope someone (maybe Natiko if he is not scum) realize this and call him out.
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Post by acohrs on Jan 12, 2017 7:09:55 GMT -8
Cabot possibly the neutral?
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 12, 2017 10:17:46 GMT -8
Removing CCS now is going to be their best move. Whether he is Scum, Town, or Neutral doesn't matter since his actions on Day 1 destroyed any trust he was going to get and is just going to be an uncertainty going forward. They can argue his actions make him Town but that question of 'well what if it's a gambit?' is going to continue to hang around.
Better to lynch him now than on Day 5 imo
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