Burbeting
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 7, 2016 7:15:49 GMT -8
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Post by Kalor on Apr 7, 2016 7:43:14 GMT -8
You know what? I'm betraying. As should everyone who is town. You have to earn my trust, only then will I ally with someone. If we all ally, we sleepwalk into the mafia win condition. If we all betray, chances are we'll end up in a stalemate. At least then though we get more time and more information. So yeah, fuck it, sorry Kalor and Retro but I'm betraying. I was thinking about allying but I understand your point about getting more time and information. |
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 7, 2016 8:00:42 GMT -8
I'm vaguely concerned that I appear to be the only person who's actually been thinking about this
What was everyone else's plan was going to be?
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 7, 2016 8:03:29 GMT -8
I feel like people are trying to play this like normal Mafia, when it's completely different. We need completely plans for figuring out who we think are town and who we think are Mafia, there's no sort of democratic decision to remove someone from the game and find their alignment.
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 7, 2016 8:03:57 GMT -8
*completely different plans
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 7, 2016 8:07:55 GMT -8
Crimson, how do you plan on voting right now?
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Post by crimsonfist on Apr 7, 2016 8:42:40 GMT -8
Sorry, got addicted to KH Chi.  Neither all ally nor all betray help us out much. All betray just stalls the game, and all ally gets scum closer to their win condition, and neither give us any more voting data to go on. I guess the best outcome would be to betray if you scum read the person you're against, and ally if you don't. So since we're against Sorian, I'm not sure. He's been one of the more active people, and has actually provided a comprehensive read list, as well as generally providing thoughts, but he's not an easy person to form reads on in general. He said that he's planning on allying. I don't really like not having any voting data to go on either though. I'm not really sure, but I'm leaning into picking ally, since it at least has the potential to give us more data. If any one of us says that we're going to pick betray, then we all will and we're back in the same place tomorrow. |
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Post by Kalor on Apr 7, 2016 8:43:36 GMT -8
I'm vaguely concerned that I appear to be the only person who's actually been thinking about this What was everyone else's plan was going to be? I was going to just play it by ear depending on who I was against. |
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 7, 2016 8:57:06 GMT -8
Sorry, got addicted to KH Chi. Neither all ally nor all betray help us out much. All betray just stalls the game, and all ally gets scum closer to their win condition, and neither give us any more voting data to go on. I guess the best outcome would be to betray if you scum read the person you're against, and ally if you don't. So since we're against Sorian, I'm not sure. He's been one of the more active people, and has actually provided a comprehensive read list, as well as generally providing thoughts, but he's not an easy person to form reads on in general. He said that he's planning on allying. I don't really like not having any voting data to go on either though. I'm not really sure, but I'm leaning into picking ally, since it at least has the potential to give us more data. If any one of us says that we're going to pick betray, then we all will and we're back in the same place tomorrow. But defaulting to betraying means we won't just automatically lose at least Also not sure what you'll get from going ally? I'm vaguely concerned that I appear to be the only person who's actually been thinking about this What was everyone else's plan was going to be? I was going to just play it by ear depending on who I was against. This seems incredibly short sighted If I hadn't said I was going to betray, what would you have done? |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 7, 2016 8:59:02 GMT -8
Hmm.
I think I'll be voting Betray, Sorian. I'd suggest you do the same.
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 7, 2016 9:00:58 GMT -8
DECISION PHASE 2 BEGINS Last time all choices came in just 2 hours or so, so if all of them come so fast this time too, I might begin Talk Phase 3 after they have come. But there is no rush for you people, take as much time as you need.  |
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 8, 2016 0:26:07 GMT -8
Starting from now, Talk Phases will last for approximentally 12-24 hours (depending on how the deadlines fit my timezone), and Decision Phases last until all decisions are in, or for 24 hours, if not all decisions have been sent. DECISION PHASE 2 RESULTS nin1000 & Launchpad - BETRAY versus Terrabyte - BETRAY ScraftyDevil & Crimsonfist - BETRAY versus Sorian - BETRAY Retro & Kalor - BETRAY versus RobotNinjaHornets - BETRAY EVERYONE HAS 5 POINTS --- TALK PHASE 3 BEGINS The Match-ups for the third cycle are: CrimsonFist & Retro versus Sorian Scrafty & Terrabyte versus Launchpad Kalor and RobotNinjaHornets versus nin1000  |
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 8, 2016 3:23:59 GMT -8
So it begins...
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 8, 2016 4:12:09 GMT -8
Well ain't that a kick in the head.
I'd like to ask who in each pair chose Betray and why, just to make sure we don't have any conflicting reports. I was the one who chose Betray in my group of course, because I wasn't comfortable with anyone on either side of that equation being a single round away from Escapee status potentially.
And Launchpad, care to explain yourself? Why'd you go about betraying your opponents, and why should I trust you not to do the same to me?
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 8, 2016 4:16:57 GMT -8
I don't know if you *can* trust me. I voted betray because I didn't trust Terrabyte to not vote betray. Basically, I got paranoid.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 8, 2016 5:18:24 GMT -8
Hmm. I think I'll be voting Betray, Sorian. I'd suggest you do the same. It's funny. I actually sent in my betray command about 5-10 minutes before you posted this. I let Burb know that I'd seen enough and I doubt you were going to change my mind. Some people need to be stepping stones for others. I town read Crimson but I felt like you were being to flip-floppy on your attitude and more trying to placate people than think through things. I fully intended to ally and let you both take points from me if I could realistically say neither of you were scum but I couldn't with you until you made the post above. It was actual honesty for once that didn't help your partner. I would have had to at least think about it but what was done was done. Crimson, did you choose betray as well? Who from Retro and Kalor chose betray? Or did you both? |
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 8, 2016 5:32:38 GMT -8
We basically need to prove to each other than we are town at this point, no? Then we can move on to being able to trust each other.
If we don't do this, it'll basically come down to scum seeing when they're against each other and just voting ally. Granted, it's possible that the partner won't allow that, but what if all three scum are grouped together? They just have to push the game out far enough that it happens. Meanwhile, town and neutral are going to keep betraying.
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Post by crimsonfist on Apr 8, 2016 5:34:00 GMT -8
I chose to betray, I figured it didn't really matter which I picked, since Scrafty already said that she would betray.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 8, 2016 5:39:29 GMT -8
I honestly can't fault anyone at this point. There's a disturbing lack of conversation.
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Post by Retro on Apr 8, 2016 6:26:22 GMT -8
Who from Retro and Kalor chose betray? Or did you both? I betrayed. RNH straight up said that he was going to Betray, so I would have been a fool not to do likewise. |
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Post by Sorian on Apr 8, 2016 6:30:47 GMT -8
Who from Retro and Kalor chose betray? Or did you both? I betrayed. RNH straight up said that he was going to Betray, so I would have been a fool not to do likewise. Would you have been? What is your read on RNH? |
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 8, 2016 6:43:03 GMT -8
I betrayed. RNH straight up said that he was going to Betray, so I would have been a fool not to do likewise. Would you have been? What is your read on RNH? General read is that most people are playing for themselves as opposed to for their team. I'm not saying it's wrong, but when one's individual action is weighed so heavily in a game, it's hard to reconcile the team vs the individual. I think this will ultimately be our downfall. |
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 8, 2016 6:44:05 GMT -8
I've also thought of an easy way for scum to win this, but I won't say it out loud. I just hope they don't realize it.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 8, 2016 6:46:13 GMT -8
Would you have been? What is your read on RNH? General read is that most people are playing for themselves as opposed to for their team. I'm not saying it's wrong, but when one's individual action is weighed so heavily in a game, it's hard to reconcile the team vs the individual. I think this will ultimately be our downfall. There's the golden answer and thus, my issue with Retro at the moment. Is it dumb to choose ally when your opponent is going to choose betray? Depends on the circumstances but Retro gave it a hard yes. There's only one alignment in this game where it would be unacceptable to allow yourself to lose points. |
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 8, 2016 6:51:04 GMT -8
My problem right now is that, given the outcome of this last phase:
1) Is it possible for me to put my trust in two individuals to ally with me?
2) When I'm in a partner situation again, will my partner follow my lead and ally? Will my "opponent" be able to trust both of us?
I would honestly, right now, take a leap of faith if it actually meant anything. However, since no one can see my action, it's moot since no one will believe I did it.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 8, 2016 6:52:14 GMT -8
At this point, I only really trust Sorian and Retro, and maybe RNH. They seem rather honest and they aren't trying to hide their intentions either.
I was prepared to trust Launch too, but apparently he doesn't think that's a good idea.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 8, 2016 6:53:03 GMT -8
My problem right now is that, given the outcome of this last phase: 1) Is it possible for me to put my trust in two individuals to ally with me? 2) When I'm in a partner situation again, will my partner follow my lead and ally? Will my "opponent" be able to trust both of us? I would honestly, right now, take a leap of faith if it actually meant anything. However, since no one can see my action, it's moot since no one will believe I did it. Judging from your prior post I thought you understood the situation. I see I am mistaken. |
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 8, 2016 6:53:20 GMT -8
I don't know if you *can* trust me. I voted betray because I didn't trust Terrabyte to not vote betray. Basically, I got paranoid. Well this is probably a dumb move but... You were right, but at the same time I chose betray because I didn't have a choice. I can't let Nin get 9 points. |
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Post by Sorian on Apr 8, 2016 6:54:56 GMT -8
I don't know if you *can* trust me. I voted betray because I didn't trust Terrabyte to not vote betray. Basically, I got paranoid. Well this is probably a dumb move but... You were right, but at the same time I chose betray because I didn't have a choice. I can't let Nin get 9 points.*popcorn* |
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 8, 2016 6:56:41 GMT -8
At this point, I only really trust Sorian and Retro, and maybe RNH. They seem rather honest and they aren't trying to hide their intentions either. I was prepared to trust Launch too, but apparently he doesn't think that's a good idea. No, I don't. I don't think we should be trusting anyone. My problem right now is that, given the outcome of this last phase: 1) Is it possible for me to put my trust in two individuals to ally with me? 2) When I'm in a partner situation again, will my partner follow my lead and ally? Will my "opponent" be able to trust both of us? I would honestly, right now, take a leap of faith if it actually meant anything. However, since no one can see my action, it's moot since no one will believe I did it. Judging from your prior post I thought you understood the situation. I see I am mistaken. No, I do. But my manner of thinking right now is if it's not me, how can I count on anyone else to get to 9 points and not be scum? That's where it all falls apart. I know I'm town, but I don't know Terra or Scrafty. |
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