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Post by Retro on Apr 6, 2016 10:30:02 GMT -8
Oh, hey, we're back. I might be low activity for this talk phase. I'm in the last 24 hours of finals, so I'm slammed. Burb, mafia can't talk outside this thread anymore right? Interesting. RNH wouldn't need to ask this if he were mafia, unless he was trying to convince people that he wasn't mafia. #WIFOM |
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Post by Sorian on Apr 6, 2016 10:40:09 GMT -8
Interesting. RNH wouldn't need to ask this if he were mafia, unless he was trying to convince people that he wasn't mafia. #WIFOM Someone just spilled wine on my brand new shirt. Damn it Retro. |
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 6, 2016 10:51:33 GMT -8
Oh, hey, we're back. I might be low activity for this talk phase. I'm in the last 24 hours of finals, so I'm slammed. Burb, mafia can't talk outside this thread anymore right? Interesting. RNH wouldn't need to ask this if he were mafia, unless he was trying to convince people that he wasn't mafia. #WIFOM Thats a new level of meta. i dont want to tip on anyones toes but that IS interesting |
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 6, 2016 10:56:29 GMT -8
why not ? it was clear from the getgo |
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Post by Kalor on Apr 6, 2016 11:13:45 GMT -8
why not ? it was clear from the getgo I don't think it was that clear but then I was hesitant to believe anyone when they said they would ally. I briefly thought about betraying as something about Retro struck me as odd but I decided just to ally. Though that suspicion doesn't really matter today since I'm on the same team as him. |
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Post by crimsonfist on Apr 6, 2016 11:21:48 GMT -8
It seemed fairly likely that everyone would ally. Nobody would really have had much incentive to betray, unless the neutrals were faced against each other, and anybody doing so would be under scrutiny, and would be more likely to have their opponent betray them in the future.
Although if everyone allies tonight, we will essentially be in LYLO tomorrow.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 6, 2016 11:23:51 GMT -8
Well well, I'm impressed. I thought for sure that someone was going to get betrayed, but here we all are. This outcome at least means that we can take some more risks now without having to worry about putting someone on death's door.
So I'm against Sorian now, hm? Interesting. I wonder if his allying streak will be genuine or just for show.
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Post by Retro on Apr 6, 2016 11:39:58 GMT -8
Okay! The biggest assignment is done. Now I have, like, two more papers and I'm done for the semester. I don't think it was that clear but then I was hesitant to believe anyone when they said they would ally. I briefly thought about betraying as something about Retro struck me as odd but I decided just to ally. Though that suspicion doesn't really matter today since I'm on the same team as him. Hahaha. I was actually expecting suspicion from Sorian, as we've had this friendly/adversarial relationship ever since Night Vale. I did not see it coming from you, Kalor. If you feel so inclined, I'd love to hear what struck you as odd. If not, well, at least we're in this together today. ...The problem with today is that we're pretty much right back where we started. I don't have any real reason to distrust RNH. I'd imagine we'll see our first betrayals tonight, but I am at least inclined to be trusting. We'll see how the rest of the day goes. It's early yet. Maybe we can all get through this together? (The cynic in me knows that's not likely, but it's a nice thought.) |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 6, 2016 11:42:35 GMT -8
Sorian, Crimson, what are your current reads based on behaviour alone? The votes are so homogenous that it's hard to base anything on voting patterns alone.
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Post by Retro on Apr 6, 2016 11:44:52 GMT -8
Oh, hey, we're back. I might be low activity for this talk phase. I'm in the last 24 hours of finals, so I'm slammed. Interesting. RNH wouldn't need to ask this if he were mafia, unless he was trying to convince people that he wasn't mafia. #WIFOM Thats a new level of meta. i dont want to tip on anyones toes but that IS interesting Don't take me too seriously, Nin, I was mostly being funny. OK, back to work now. |
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Post by Sorian on Apr 6, 2016 11:54:36 GMT -8
Sorian, Crimson, what are your current reads based on behaviour alone? The votes are so homogenous that it's hard to base anything on voting patterns alone. The obvious overall read is that the two neutrals were not pitted against each other. Not the biggest thing in the world and maybe they did actually choose to ally with each other which would be dumb but that's that.
As for specific players, Retro is going out of his way, I feel like, to show up and talk. I don't really see this as a regular mafia game where a lot of discussion is required but he does keep trying to spur the thread a bit. It doesn't feel genuine to me.
I think nin was full of shit yesterday with his showing up late schtick and his generally happy-go-lucky-ness, it looks like a show from where I am sitting.
Kalor feels more detached which is about where I am at. It's hard to do anything amazingly grand when you literally start with 0 information and the only people starting with 0 is town members.
RNH brought up the fact that if we just keep allying then scum will love to follow along on that trend. An obvious point but being the first one to say it really puts it into focus and I don't think scum would have been the first to say it.
You were overly aggressive and then slowly backed off day 1. I'm not sure yet if that was because the general easy tone from everyone else softened you or if you expected the game to be more adversarial and changed attitude to match over the course of the day.
Crimson is his general logical self. Not much to say to that, he asked me the golden question yesterday first thing. If we all ally, what do we do from there? It was a good question.
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Everything above this line from memory. Sorry Launch and Terra, I didn't even remember who the last two people in the game were off the top of my head. That's involved in my read of you two. No presence.
Launch got pushier on Scrafty's hard routine. I'd say a mixture of Launch pushing the point and nin coming in with the late routine is eventually what made Scrafty put down some trust.
Terra, well Terra didn't do much in all honesty. I've got nothing.
That's how I feel about everyone. I have no interest in telling you whether I find any of them scum, town, or neutral though.
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Post by crimsonfist on Apr 6, 2016 11:56:14 GMT -8
Sorian yesterday said that ideally we'd all walk up to 7. I don't see that as a pro town outcome at all, it puts the entire scum team potentially one vote away from winning. I also worry that fear of looking scummy is going to lead townies to always ally, even when it might not be in our best interest, considering that blocking scum from gaining points is just as important as gaining points as town. I see Retro's comment on "all getting through this together" as kind of offputting too, with that in mind, although he was probably just being fluffy.
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 6, 2016 12:06:05 GMT -8
Sorian, Crimson, what are your current reads based on behaviour alone? The votes are so homogenous that it's hard to base anything on voting patterns alone. The obvious overall read is that the two neutrals were not pitted against each other. Not the biggest thing in the world and maybe they did actually choose to ally with each other which would be dumb but that's that.
As for specific players, Retro is going out of his way, I feel like, to show up and talk. I don't really see this as a regular mafia game where a lot of discussion is required but he does keep trying to spur the thread a bit. It doesn't feel genuine to me.
I think nin was full of shit yesterday with his showing up late schtick and his generally happy-go-lucky-ness, it looks like a show from where I am sitting.
Kalor feels more detached which is about where I am at. It's hard to do anything amazingly grand when you literally start with 0 information and the only people starting with 0 is town members.
RNH brought up the fact that if we just keep allying then scum will love to follow along on that trend. An obvious point but being the first one to say it really puts it into focus and I don't think scum would have been the first to say it.
You were overly aggressive and then slowly backed off day 1. I'm not sure yet if that was because the general easy tone from everyone else softened you or if you expected the game to be more adversarial and changed attitude to match over the course of the day.
Crimson is his general logical self. Not much to say to that, he asked me the golden question yesterday first thing. If we all ally, what do we do from there? It was a good question.
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Launch got pushier on Scrafty's hard routine. I'd say a mixture of Launch pushing the point and nin coming in with the late routine is eventually what made Scrafty put down some trust.
Terra, well Terra didn't do much in all honesty. I've got nothing.
That's how I feel about everyone. I have no interest in telling you whether I find any of them scum, town, or neutral though.
Nothing does feel genuine to be honest but he even said that he has to write some papers what is there not to believe ? Me being late to the party should not be something out of the ordinary , you should now that Sorain its not the first time we played, i was very happy to finally be in the field again sorry that you are so full of bitterness. That ofc wont stop me from being a nice person. |
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Post by Sorian on Apr 6, 2016 12:09:53 GMT -8
Sorian yesterday said that ideally we'd all walk up to 7. I don't see that as a pro town outcome at all, it puts the entire scum team potentially one vote away from winning. I also worry that fear of looking scummy is going to lead townies to always ally, even when it might not be in our best interest, considering that blocking scum from gaining points is just as important as gaining points as town. I see Retro's comment on "all getting through this together" as kind of offputting too, with that in mind, although he was probably just being fluffy. Ideally? No, I never said it would be ideal. We can check together again though:
Then what? We all pick ally and we're in the same scenario next round, with no more voting data to go off than we have right now. Then we do it again and get to 7 points. I say that because you know what? There is no way in hell all 8 of you are going to vote ally twice in a row. I'm presenting the logical step right now, I'll trust Karu and Retro to oblige because they are both logical thinkers (which is lucky that we all got lumped together for the first go). If, or should I say when, a betrayal happens, then we take it from there. I just said I would tell you all to vote ally again. I'm surprised that we all got through the first phase with a 100% ally rate. It won't happen twice. You were asking about voting data, I thought there would be a bit today but it'll be a cold day in hell if there is none tomorrow. |
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Post by Kalor on Apr 6, 2016 12:39:30 GMT -8
Okay! The biggest assignment is done. Now I have, like, two more papers and I'm done for the semester. I don't think it was that clear but then I was hesitant to believe anyone when they said they would ally. I briefly thought about betraying as something about Retro struck me as odd but I decided just to ally. Though that suspicion doesn't really matter today since I'm on the same team as him. Hahaha. I was actually expecting suspicion from Sorian, as we've had this friendly/adversarial relationship ever since Night Vale. I did not see it coming from you, Kalor. If you feel so inclined, I'd love to hear what struck you as odd. If not, well, at least we're in this together today. It wasn't much but it felt like you were trying to encourage discussion to appear as town. Although that can be viewed both ways and going back and looking at your posts I'm seeing them from a different perspective now of as town trying to encourage discussion. Nin sticks out reading his posts. He's been making some mistakes but that could just be from catching up. The thing that sticks out is that he keeps bringing up past games. Nothing does feel genuine to be honest but he even said that he has to write some papers what is there not to believe ? Me being late to the party should not be something out of the ordinary , you should now that Sorain its not the first time we played, i was very happy to finally be in the field again sorry that you are so full of bitterness. That ofc wont stop me from being a nice person. Matchups for the second cycle: nin1000 & Launchpad versus Terrabyte This will be interesting since me and launch have not always been on the same page but in the end we were a team. Glad to see that you will be teaming up with me Normally I wouldn't see this as important to the game but it's the context and form that sticks out to me. Both times Nin talks about how they played together in the past and is in a relatively positive note. I read this and I think that Nin is trying to get on Sorian and Launch's good side by recalling their past experiences. Something like this is particularly important in this game since if you build up trust then less people will betray you, which is the last thing scum would want after a good Phase 1 for them. |
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 6, 2016 13:39:39 GMT -8
Okay! The biggest assignment is done. Now I have, like, two more papers and I'm done for the semester. Hahaha. I was actually expecting suspicion from Sorian, as we've had this friendly/adversarial relationship ever since Night Vale. I did not see it coming from you, Kalor. If you feel so inclined, I'd love to hear what struck you as odd. If not, well, at least we're in this together today. It wasn't much but it felt like you were trying to encourage discussion to appear as town. Although that can be viewed both ways and going back and looking at your posts I'm seeing them from a different perspective now of as town trying to encourage discussion. Nin sticks out reading his posts. He's been making some mistakes but that could just be from catching up. The thing that sticks out is that he keeps bringing up past games. Nothing does feel genuine to be honest but he even said that he has to write some papers what is there not to believe ? Me being late to the party should not be something out of the ordinary , you should now that Sorain its not the first time we played, i was very happy to finally be in the field again sorry that you are so full of bitterness. That ofc wont stop me from being a nice person. Matchups for the second cycle: nin1000 & Launchpad versus Terrabyte This will be interesting since me and launch have not always been on the same page but in the end we were a team. Glad to see that you will be teaming up with me Normally I wouldn't see this as important to the game but it's the context and form that sticks out to me. Both times Nin talks about how they played together in the past and is in a relatively positive note. I read this and I think that Nin is trying to get on Sorian and Launch's good side by recalling their past experiences. Something like this is particularly important in this game since if you build up trust then less people will betray you, which is the last thing scum would want after a good Phase 1 for them. i quoted Sorian and explained to him why i acted the way i did, i even said that i cannot change his feelings towards me and my words make it pretty clear that that i dont care. on Launch , yes i was and still am happy to play with him since it was always funny. Again not even trying to get on their good side since they will make that choice all by themselves. I will not comment on your actions as they do not stick out to me in the slightest. Dull would be the appropriate word i think. |
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 6, 2016 18:30:48 GMT -8
Yeah, I won't be able to post much this phase. I'm not surprised about how this turned out; however, I'm wary and I don't think things will play out this way in this phase..
However, I will be voting Ally.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 6, 2016 19:40:20 GMT -8
I've got a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach and I don't know why. Something about this lack of activity seems kinda off to me.
I guess it makes sense because our adversaries are on the same level playing field as we are, but still. Folks should get talking.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 6, 2016 19:49:56 GMT -8
I've got a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach and I don't know why. Something about this lack of activity seems kinda off to me. I guess it makes sense because our adversaries are on the same level playing field as we are, but still. Folks should get talking. How do you feel about Crimson and I? |
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 6, 2016 19:50:51 GMT -8
Okay, sure.
I predict at least Two people will betray tonight.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 6, 2016 20:27:25 GMT -8
I've got a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach and I don't know why. Something about this lack of activity seems kinda off to me. I guess it makes sense because our adversaries are on the same level playing field as we are, but still. Folks should get talking. How do you feel about Crimson and I? Surprisingly, I feel pretty good about you. I doubt that an unsavory character would wear their heart on their sleeve quite the same way you do, but it's also possible you're trying to play up the innocent factor with the voting style, avatar and everything. Crimson I get a weird read from for whatever reason. The way he miscontrued you earlier has me antsy for some reason, but that could just be me being paranoid Not sure how I want to vote yet. Personally I'd be fine with taking a dive if it meant stonewalling an enemy in the process, but I don't want to make any final decisions until I've heard from you and Crimson. |
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 7, 2016 3:43:08 GMT -8
Okay, sure. I predict at least Two people will betray tonight. Is one of them you?  |
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 7, 2016 4:01:21 GMT -8
You know what?
I'm betraying.
As should everyone who is town.
You have to earn my trust, only then will I ally with someone.
If we all ally, we sleepwalk into the mafia win condition. If we all betray, chances are we'll end up in a stalemate. At least then though we get more time and more information.
So yeah, fuck it, sorry Kalor and Retro but I'm betraying.
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Post by Retro on Apr 7, 2016 6:00:52 GMT -8
You know what? I'm betraying. As should everyone who is town. You have to earn my trust, only then will I ally with someone. If we all ally, we sleepwalk into the mafia win condition. If we all betray, chances are we'll end up in a stalemate. At least then though we get more time and more information. So yeah, fuck it, sorry Kalor and Retro but I'm betraying. Well. I was planning to Ally, but if there's a chance that you are going to betray, it's in my best interest to do likewise. And actually, yeah. RNH has a point. We're all kind of rushing toward endgame, which favors the scum players, because then we don't have time to prevent them from getting to nine points, or even figuring out who they are. Continuing the blind rush to nine points might not be in our best interest. |
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 7, 2016 6:01:18 GMT -8
3 hours left, anyone else gonna post?
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 7, 2016 6:06:23 GMT -8
Lol, of course someone posted just before I said that, haha
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 7, 2016 6:11:45 GMT -8
RNH, you raise a valid point. By voting ally, we're helping scum coast by. Conversely, we don't really know who is town and who isn't, so we won't know when to help each other out.
This is getting tricky.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 7, 2016 6:45:33 GMT -8
RNH, you raise a valid point. By voting ally, we're helping scum coast by. Conversely, we don't really know who is town and who isn't, so we won't know when to help each other out. This is getting tricky. Well the game wouldn't be fun if you didn't have to do reads. |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 7, 2016 6:56:08 GMT -8
Could we get a countdown, please? I don't see one anywhere and DST is making all the timestamps screwy.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 7, 2016 6:59:25 GMT -8
Could we get a countdown, please? I don't see one anywhere and DST is making all the timestamps screwy. 2 hours from right now (I'd made a timestamp but my work added that site we use to the filter for reasons I guess) |
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Burb, mafia can't talk outside this thread anymore right?
