Okay, some things:

fep posted about being suspicious of Sophia. So did Ty4on. fep also posted about liking Ty and Darryl.

In fact, fep in general: not shading Dragonz like his partner but shades Vere. Votes Kark. Suspect on “playful Febe,” Ouro, Sexy/Star.
Ty4on voted the ex/Fire pair that was eventually night killed. pandas has other connections to fire, too (note: going in on Ouro - curious)

re-reading kits is not that fruitful, but she did go hard on Dr fran, and fran strikes as town so that combo to me says town.

Ty4on defended you a bit and that makes me swing back a bit to maybe just the idea of townTy in every conversation. pandas could have been trying to wrangle town cred by boosting Ty. Ty also voted them d1 and kept the vote there, which isn’t 100% indicative, but. Ty voted them again day 2 and it appears never shifted (harder to read the manual counts). I’m convinced; pandas was just trying to curry town favor - to me, this, makes Ty/Trigger 100% not scum. Well, that's a strong statement. I don't put too much stake into what Ty is doing in regards to flipped cum becasue he is a very good player and usually stays a bit non-commitant. Coming from the panda side of the interaction, you might have a point.

pandas voted xbro and Kark, which is a safe vote no matter their alignment, people were against them; voted Ouro and kingkitty, same (though I lean town on them for now), and sawneeks and sorian multiple times. If any of these teams are scum, I’d guess xKark, but that’s based SOLELY off this vote, nothing else (not a read). kits only voted Dr. fran and I think that was a clear calculated attempt to appear scum hunting; I do not think it was a safety bus vote.

I know meta is not the end all be all but Dragonz is very town Dragonz to me. Poking people, nitpicking, trying to catch them out, eventually falling back to I SAID WHAT I SAID. The argument could be manufactured but kits can get under folks’ skin and Dragonz can definitely make mountains from molehills, so my guess is not fake. kits came off as defensive and that might be hindsight, but. I think Dragonz’ misread of Orb also smacks of town Dragonz. ok, if you say so. I can't quite remember if I even ever played with dragonz. I mainly remember her from hosting the first ever game she was in. She was very confused Scum at the beginning but quickly learned... But anyway, back to business

Interesting to note though that Crimson kinda defended Dragonz while Sophia clearly defended kits. (but then Crimson sort of defended kits - either way, I think I’m getting town vibes off Crimson at least) (later Sophia lightly shaded kits so that makes me feel more strongly about a town read on them) exactly, if anything that's probably an indication for Townies reading the conflict as Town/Town

pandas (comp keeps trying to autocorrect to rep) and Ty4on being on Sophia makes me less suspicious of her but I am still concerned - they can’t all be bussing/defending each other and I doubt the scum team is kits/pandas + Ty4on + CrimSoph but I guess it’s possible. I thought you said you were 100% sure Ty was Town?

Oh, hmm, I see we disagree on some things. Re: Dragonz - my observation of her meta comes from her the last few games, when she maybe has not been at her best versus past games. She said she was bored playing vanilla townie so that could be that. (that’s meta; she said it after pineapple pizza)

kitty is pricking my scumdar. Will follow up. With how his posts are so formulatic? Yeah, but I think he also plays this way as Town.

I’m struggling with the Sorian/Darryl fight. I have a hard time reading Darryl because he seems SO SCUMMY to me that it circles around and I get convinced that he can’t be scum because scum wouldn’t be so blatant. nin feels more scummy to me here than normal tbh, but it could just be that he’s unhappy with the partnership? Sorian doesn’t quite seem like the get-it-done Sorian I’ve seen before, though. Like he’s baiting and being baited (fake baited?) in return. And Darryl, after all that, voted Kark.

This Darryl post is interesting: www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245471202&postcount=1541

Would scumD say “feels like we’re anti-town here, let’s cool it?” Hmm. That vote though is awfully suspicious. I wonder if Darryl has backed off votes before because that person isn’t a likely lynch. Darryl is just SO defensive here and that seems unusual. It could just be lashing out anger but usually he responds to attack with attack. Does it just not work on Sorian or is something going on? after this, Darryl switches to kitsune. Darryl offered nothing outside of this spat with Sorian, really. But even that doesn’t seem like it’s totally out of the norm for Darryl. Damn. I have such a hard time with him! He did seem just legit frustrated. Maybe I should focus on Sorian instead. Darryl is weird to read. Unless he fucks up big time I think you have to get him via vote patterns or something. But I agree, Sorian is acting strangely restrained this game.

Notice and Nomadic I read as town, I don’t like how they’re playing, but I don’t think it’s scum. Nomad is being Nomad and Natiko is scum hunting even if it’s in some ill advised directions. Bad look for Natiko here, I think; overly aggressive and some really poorly chosen language. But I think it’s just that - bad choices.


I see where you are with Vere and can agree that it’s suspect and should be watched, but still wouldn’t necessarily go high on a scum list for me rn. The one thing that IS suspect for me is that they were big forces behind Orb/TWE vote. They split votes d2 - dragonz voted for kits and fep but she’d kind of have to after that showboating if it was fake; Vere voted for Sawneeks and Sorian. .As I said in the thread it's mainly a tone thing and apparently it's not a widely shared opinion. I guess I'm just allergic to his style in general. Especially as he is very unlikely to be Scum after the dragonz/kits thing

I did not find Dr. Worm’s question about Kark being role blocked suspicious as some did; smacked of trying to understand the power (I mean technically it’s role fishing but also eh). While his speculation puts shade on us, if it comes out it was us, it’s a sensible line of inquiry. Muffin’s partner pulled out the correct analysis that targeting xKark is protown at least. Gives me a townie feeling about them because why would scum make that leap? One thing I might say as a newbie to the game is that Kark’s post makes him seem town and the power also town - I could spin that as part of my catching up, if we feel we need it. I don't think it's entirely necessary, especially if Ouro and Kitty come out about being hit. If you're going to do a "catching up" shtick anyway, you could mention it, sure, but don't go out of your way. There'll be opportunities to naturally talk about it today

Ouro seems less active than he should be. But he’s said some things that make me think not-scum. His reads on Schmuffin and Dr Fran are WAY OFF, I think, but it’s not out of the ordinary for Ouro to misread and thus NAI.

Worth looking at: Fireblend’s read list was kits and pandas (confirmed scum), muffin and samurai (I don’t think they are scum and for meta reasons I don’t think we’d get a newbie team as scum plus kits, whose second game it is), Sawrian, and Dragonz/Vere. I don’t particularly agree with the last one but it’s definitely making me agree with my above assessment that I should look at Sorian. I don’t think Fire and an absent Exo would have been killed for JUST nailing kits and pandas. I think they had 50%. There was almost NO other reason to NK them unless it was just to create chaos and since at least one team got pegged, it leads me to think another is. I'm not a fan of analyzing dead Townie's reads lists. In my experience GAFia Scum almost never kills over correct Scum reads but rather for PRs or trust, in the end, dead Townies aren't more correct in their reads than alive Townies.

Sawneeks is on my scum radar, mostly for meta reasons. Also I think her tagging Ty as possible scum is an attempt to get people to go after him and Trigger to knock out someone who was on kits.

Be warned: Dragonz’ OMGUS feels for you are going to multiply because she ALWAYS reads me as scum and I have not yet been scum. Well, that's going to be fun

Stopping here because it’s 4 am and my sleep schedule is SO FUCKED after finishing my PhD exams but I need to try to correct. I’m on post 1950.

All caught up! I will make a short summary later so I have one post instead of like ten posts, but:


did you see my big post at the bottom of p2? just wanted to make sure it didn’t get missed. Oh, and clarification on Schmuffin: I was town reading them because they were among the few who noted the silencer was probably townie (since they weren’t influenced by LB1) but then as I was getting sleepy, I thought oh shit! What if they know it’s town because they’re scum and it’s not a scum ability? I mean, a lot of people are scum reading them. BUT: I legit think it’s just newbie behavior. Newbies who come in play differently and maybe not always well (I’m not assessing) but they get scumread really easily and often for very small reasons. Gut tells me this is the case here but I’m going to keep watching them. (and pandas town reading them raises a small flag). pandas voted Ouro for literally like ten seconds and then right after said jk, Ouro is totally cleared in my eyes. Went HARD on Sorian.

pandas notes:

town:
schmuffin
Notice (maybe)
Kitty?
Darryl
you, my flush-buddy

scum:
Sophia
Dr Worm
Kark, except not really?

This post to me is the smoking gun on Ouro/kitty being scum: www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245838574&postcount=2404 Well, that and Ouro seems desperate to keep pepsine from flipping even before pandas’ bus slip. Now, I’ve defended what I felt were mislynches before and been wrong, but I usually bring some evidence. Ouro has no evidence. But would he be so obvious? Dr Worm on the other hand does offer some reasons for his thinking fepsune was town, even if it turned out they were wrong reasons.

kits focus on Dr. Fran, random or not, makes me think Dr. Fran is not scum, even if the “read” wasn’t very good, mostly just summary. COULD be light bussing but doubtful without a reason and kits had no reason to bus a teammate there. Yeah, if I was Scum and had a newbie in my team that desperately needs to make contributions I probably wouldn't tell her to go for a read on another Scum but rather on a Townie that has some dirt to dig up.

If I had to guess, I think Ty might die tonight. His push for fepelaine two days in a row makes him #1 town for me and I’m sure I’m not the only one to think it. Wild card here is if Schmuffin really IS scum because who knows what a newer scum team might do in scum chat. I'd say Crimsonphia. They are never going to get lynched and ty is non-commital enough to maybe get lynched.

General note: I feel a bit suspicious of anyone who voted Kark/Xbro D2 Too easy, yeah. I agree

Ouro’s “case” against Schmuffin is manufactured (see 1083) - it’s really early game stuff and reaching, which is fine early game, but to keep pushing it d2 is either a tunnel or scum trying to look busy. Ouro comments on the deep dives on fran and says fran is scum - so agrees with kits. Ouro keeps saying he has Dr. Fran as scum but when pressed only cites early d1 stuff - same as with Schmuffin. His “reads” aren’t developing over the course of the game.

Kitty says something about Sawneeks and big reads as townie but she did the same as scum. She’s very good at appearing townie; gotta look at the CONTENT of her posts (more a note to remind myself, but you’re getting all my notes now, SORRY) kitty’s reads are full of filler, too, so they also look big. Almost all summary, little analysis.

Darryl kinda goes in on pandas on 2047 - note to see where that goes, if anywhere
Darryl also going in on Muffin’s votes - 2054 - don’t agree with his assessment but noting it
Darryl says Ty and Natiko both town, which I do agree with

StarSketch and the whole RNG/fran thing just feels really weird and illogical. If there was anything else from them I’d say it looks like scum trying to look busy. The exchange with Sorian about it doesn’t make me feel better about Star. From someone who just said “I RNGd a team for reasons” to say “"Why the hell is he latching onto something that was public information? Either Kark doesn't pay attention to the goings on in the Gafia community or he's trying to make random shit stick bc scum or something” - uhhhhhhhh - and after that, the weird exchanges with Fran and co. hmm. I never can read Star because she always seems to not quite grasp what's going on. Like, i think she's trying but just doesn't quite get the swing of the game. (Star, if you read this: Good thing you're still playing, keep trying. Practice, etc.)

*bold. Is fat something you say about bold font in English?

Anyway, immediately after posting i realized that this style of answer makes it easier for me to write it but almost impossible to quote for answering back. Just respond without quotes :