I had few questions yesterday, Burbetring explained em to me.
I am getting the gist of how this works, once i am done going over the thread i should be able to contribute more. Only a little bit left. "I won't tell you what's in our lovers chat" < i had a question about that. If you request a player to let you know about their private chat they have to do it, but also have a right to refuse and that's considered a scum move? thinking.jpg
I wanted to post in game thread that i am here now, but after reading the thread and how some were babyraging about those kind of posts i noped the fuck out of there lol
Do it anyway. You've been totally silent for nearly two full day phases. You need to start participating, or we will be replacing you. If someone has a problem with your post, they can talk to me or Burb.
God damnit, that last post of min could be read like the opposite of what I meant. That's gonna be a bitch to clarify.
ok, like I'm seriously thrown off right now. Everyone with the sole exception of Crimsonphia and XKark looks scummy as fuck to me rn. The latter probably only doesn't because I thought for half the day phase I had a greencheck. Well, i still think I got a green check, I'm not sure Kark and especially XBro and whoever are the other Scum would have reacted as quickly and in the way they did if they got sth like "You can't post this dayphase. Kark and XBro were targeted. If you were Town you wouldn't be able to post this day- and nightphase". On the other hand there is that post where XBro says dayphase and Kark corrects him to day- and nightphase...
I'm strongly considering dragonz and Vere tonight. Now that I can't be sure anymore if my greenchecks really are greenchecks (my redchecks though stay strong) I at least want to force them out of their hiding hole to see what's going on in there.
Why were fep and kits REMOVED from the game instead of dying? Also, anyone in particular you want me to study? I'll look at Dragonz and Vere based on your assessments above but I'm curious about other shortcuts.
oh man, I will NOT be typing my notes in here because I just lost half my post. >< so it will be delayed while I retype and keep reading but I have some Thoughts and I'd like to hear what you think of Sophia while I work, if you happen to be around.
Ty4on stuck out to me at first but seems to be very finger-in-every-pie because experience, not necessarily because trying to steer the game. But so far I notice:
Ty4on - answering for people, deflecting from Dragonz Sophia - deflecting from kits, going in on Dragonz
The latter could be just friction between Soph and Dragonz or it could be real scum hunting but could also be experienced player/scum defending a little bit on new scum. Work looking at, I think.
fep posted about being suspicious of Sophia. So did Ty4on. fep also posted about liking Ty and Darryl.
In fact, fep in general: not shading Dragonz like his partner but shades Vere. Votes Kark. Suspect on “playful Febe,” Ouro, Sexy/Star. Ty4on voted the ex/Fire pair that was eventually night killed. pandas has other connections to fire, too (note: going in on Ouro - curious)
re-reading kits is not that fruitful, but she did go hard on Dr fran, and fran strikes as town so that combo to me says town.
Ty4on defended you a bit and that makes me swing back a bit to maybe just the idea of townTy in every conversation. pandas could have been trying to wrangle town cred by boosting Ty. Ty also voted them d1 and kept the vote there, which isn’t 100% indicative, but. Ty voted them again day 2 and it appears never shifted (harder to read the manual counts). I’m convinced; pandas was just trying to curry town favor - to me, this, makes Ty/Trigger 100% not scum.
pandas voted xbro and Kark, which is a safe vote no matter their alignment, people were against them; voted Ouro and kingkitty, same (though I lean town on them for now), and sawneeks and sorian multiple times. If any of these teams are scum, I’d guess xKark, but that’s based SOLELY off this vote, nothing else (not a read). kits only voted Dr. fran and I think that was a clear calculated attempt to appear scum hunting; I do not think it was a safety bus vote.
I know meta is not the end all be all but Dragonz is very town Dragonz to me. Poking people, nitpicking, trying to catch them out, eventually falling back to I SAID WHAT I SAID. The argument could be manufactured but kits can get under folks’ skin and Dragonz can definitely make mountains from molehills, so my guess is not fake. kits came off as defensive and that might be hindsight, but. I think Dragonz’ misread of Orb also smacks of town Dragonz.
Interesting to note though that Crimson kinda defended Dragonz while Sophia clearly defended kits. (but then Crimson sort of defended kits - either way, I think I’m getting town vibes off Crimson at least) (later Sophia lightly shaded kits so that makes me feel more strongly about a town read on them)
pandas (comp keeps trying to autocorrect to rep) and Ty4on being on Sophia makes me less suspicious of her but I am still concerned - they can’t all be bussing/defending each other and I doubt the scum team is kits/pandas + Ty4on + CrimSoph but I guess it’s possible.
Nice work so far. Except for dragonz it's mostly reads that I more or less agree with. Regarding dragonz we have a flip that supports your version (dragonz = town) over mine.
As I posted in my small argument with Vere at the beginning of D2, Sophia and Crimson are hitting all the correct buttons for me: Active, helpful, introducing new attack angles. At least that's what I remember. I didn't explicitly reread them so far.
Oh, hmm, I see we disagree on some things. Re: Dragonz - my observation of her meta comes from her the last few games, when she maybe has not been at her best versus past games. She said she was bored playing vanilla townie so that could be that. (that’s meta; she said it after pineapple pizza)
kitty is pricking my scumdar. Will follow up.
I’m struggling with the Sorian/Darryl fight. I have a hard time reading Darryl because he seems SO SCUMMY to me that it circles around and I get convinced that he can’t be scum because scum wouldn’t be so blatant. nin feels more scummy to me here than normal tbh, but it could just be that he’s unhappy with the partnership? Sorian doesn’t quite seem like the get-it-done Sorian I’ve seen before, though. Like he’s baiting and being baited (fake baited?) in return. And Darryl, after all that, voted Kark.
Would scumD say “feels like we’re anti-town here, let’s cool it?” Hmm. That vote though is awfully suspicious. I wonder if Darryl has backed off votes before because that person isn’t a likely lynch. Darryl is just SO defensive here and that seems unusual. It could just be lashing out anger but usually he responds to attack with attack. Does it just not work on Sorian or is something going on? after this, Darryl switches to kitsune. Darryl offered nothing outside of this spat with Sorian, really. But even that doesn’t seem like it’s totally out of the norm for Darryl. Damn. I have such a hard time with him! He did seem just legit frustrated. Maybe I should focus on Sorian instead.
Notice and Nomadic I read as town, I don’t like how they’re playing, but I don’t think it’s scum. Nomad is being Nomad and Natiko is scum hunting even if it’s in some ill advised directions. Bad look for Natiko here, I think; overly aggressive and some really poorly chosen language. But I think it’s just that - bad choices.
I see where you are with Vere and can agree that it’s suspect and should be watched, but still wouldn’t necessarily go high on a scum list for me rn. The one thing that IS suspect for me is that they were big forces behind Orb/TWE vote. They split votes d2 - dragonz voted for kits and fep but she’d kind of have to after that showboating if it was fake; Vere voted for Sawneeks and Sorian. .
I did not find Dr. Worm’s question about Kark being role blocked suspicious as some did; smacked of trying to understand the power (I mean technically it’s role fishing but also eh). While his speculation puts shade on us, if it comes out it was us, it’s a sensible line of inquiry. Muffin’s partner pulled out the correct analysis that targeting xKark is protown at least. Gives me a townie feeling about them because why would scum make that leap? One thing I might say as a newbie to the game is that Kark’s post makes him seem town and the power also town - I could spin that as part of my catching up, if we feel we need it.
Ouro seems less active than he should be. But he’s said some things that make me think not-scum. His reads on Schmuffin and Dr Fran are WAY OFF, I think, but it’s not out of the ordinary for Ouro to misread and thus NAI.
Worth looking at: Fireblend’s read list was kits and pandas (confirmed scum), muffin and samurai (I don’t think they are scum and for meta reasons I don’t think we’d get a newbie team as scum plus kits, whose second game it is), Sawrian, and Dragonz/Vere. I don’t particularly agree with the last one but it’s definitely making me agree with my above assessment that I should look at Sorian. I don’t think Fire and an absent Exo would have been killed for JUST nailing kits and pandas. I think they had 50%. There was almost NO other reason to NK them unless it was just to create chaos and since at least one team got pegged, it leads me to think another is.
Sawneeks is on my scum radar, mostly for meta reasons. Also I think her tagging Ty as possible scum is an attempt to get people to go after him and Trigger to knock out someone who was on kits.
Be warned: Dragonz’ OMGUS feels for you are going to multiply because she ALWAYS reads me as scum and I have not yet been scum.
Stopping here because it’s 4 am and my sleep schedule is SO FUCKED after finishing my PhD exams but I need to try to correct. I’m on post 1950.
oh hey! are you still here? Yeah, I've totally come around to town on CrimsonSophia and I really hope we're not wrong on that. Right now I'm really suspicious of Sawrian but I don't have a strong third candidate for scum and I figure there's three teams. I'm really wishy washy on the last but I still have the rest of d2 to read.