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Post by faddy on Feb 1, 2017 11:57:02 GMT -8
I still really like the idea of this game, it's definitely unique and has some cool mechanics. I think the main issue is the game has quickly just become a discussion of the mechanics and most people are trying to find a way to abuse them. But the mechanics are meant to be obscure and understanding them is how to win the game. The so called "abuse" is how the game was structured. Without knowing all the mechanics this is possibly premature but these are my issues. 1. No recourse against the powerful neutral factions claiming their power roles (doctor, bulletproof) 2. Neutral win conditions that are too easy. If it turns out we could have won by stealing from ANY of achors, fran, fat4all or melon by end of day 3 we would have been >50% chance of winning just on random guesses 3. No blowback for bad neutral play. fran and fat gave themselves up easily. Let a vaccine be stolen (assuming kalor is telling the truth) and letting our faction escape; somehow they are still on track to win. 4. Item inconsistency. Our faction of 3 could escape with a single passcard but the Board faction each need their own card to escape. As well as the idea that vaccines would miraculously appear on corpses No wonder there is discussion of mechanics when they don't make sense.
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Post by natiko on Feb 1, 2017 13:59:32 GMT -8
Discussing mechanics is not the same thing as summarizing entire factions and trying to bargain to have half the game exit by D3 lol Had there been more reason to discourage such a move the game may not be at this point already.
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Post by faddy on Feb 1, 2017 14:57:32 GMT -8
There isn't a lot to be said is there? They know who the scum are so it is just waiting out whatever Board faction gambit is happening.
Things might happen now dusk has confirmed the inject command.
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Post by natiko on Feb 1, 2017 15:16:53 GMT -8
That meltdown from Karl. Rough.
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Post by karkador on Feb 1, 2017 15:22:53 GMT -8
Does it kinda feel like we were in a different game D1 and D2?
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Post by dusksoldier on Feb 1, 2017 15:25:17 GMT -8
I think it's mainly cause you're gone Kark.
That's all they ever talked about when you were there.
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Post by natiko on Feb 1, 2017 15:30:10 GMT -8
Does it kinda feel like we were in a different game D1 and D2? Well D1 and D2 was mainly the Kark Show. We all just talked about you minus a few sidebars. D3 has been completely different but when you damn near know every role I guess that'll happen.
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Post by faddy on Feb 1, 2017 15:34:06 GMT -8
Does it kinda feel like we were in a different game D1 and D2? It took that long for everyone to work out that telling the truth was the way to go. Kawl put up as good a fight as he could imo.
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Post by faddy on Feb 1, 2017 15:44:46 GMT -8
Unless there is another level 1 staying quiet it seems like kawl and 11 are the only infected remaining. They must have used their other infection target on me or LP.
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Post by crimsonfist on Feb 1, 2017 15:51:43 GMT -8
Maybe Kawl could have survived if 11 claimed and said that they'd reinfect Burb if he got cured? Might have at least kept Burb quiet.
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Post by faddy on Feb 1, 2017 16:01:19 GMT -8
Maybe Kawl could have survived if 11 claimed and said that they'd reinfect Burb if he got cured? Might have at least kept Burb quiet. Maybe. IDK why town are co-operating with this Melon lynch. They got the cure done, now they need to fuck over the Board and lynch one of the infected. If they believe the board and do the math it is going to be tight mathematically to win.
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Post by dusksoldier on Feb 1, 2017 16:08:18 GMT -8
I am surprised they're going along with this. I thought for sure they would flip and go for Kawl.
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Post by faddy on Feb 1, 2017 16:19:35 GMT -8
I am surprised they're going along with this. I thought for sure they would flip and go for Kawl. Assuming Kawl and 11 don't totally throw in the towel and infect two people tonight, town lynches Melon and Board NKs Kalor and 2 of them escape Tomorrow there are 11 players left, 4 infected, majority is 7. Town lynch Kawl, Sawneeks infected by 11. 10 players left with 12 votes. With Sawneeks and 3 infected it is a tie. Infected wins.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Feb 1, 2017 16:34:39 GMT -8
Unless there is another level 1 staying quiet it seems like kawl and 11 are the only infected remaining. They must have used their other infection target on me or LP. Hmm I think you're right. N1 targets were burb and Fat. N2 targets were Natiko and someone else.
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Post by natiko on Feb 1, 2017 19:22:37 GMT -8
Huh, why did Burb die?
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Post by dusksoldier on Feb 1, 2017 19:25:31 GMT -8
If a stage 2 dies, anyone they infected dies with them.
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Post by natiko on Feb 1, 2017 19:28:25 GMT -8
I guess the order of injections does not come into play since they all resolve simultaneously at day end?
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Post by Burbeting on Feb 1, 2017 19:32:07 GMT -8
I fucked up today. Got too optimistic after F4A healing yesterday.
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Post by Burbeting on Feb 1, 2017 19:42:45 GMT -8
Scum cannot win at this point. Town will lynch 11037, and that will also kill any level 1:s he has infected.
The setback of level 1 infections dying if level 2 does is way too severe.
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Post by Burbeting on Feb 1, 2017 19:50:53 GMT -8
I think that telling Level 1:s who infected them was a mistake. This gave board faction information on who the other Level 2 was extremely early.
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Post by Kawl on Feb 1, 2017 20:02:14 GMT -8
Yea idk there needed to be some stronger deterrents for the vaccines being out in the open.
This felt pretty bad to lose through not being investigated or posts analysis.
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Post by karkador on Feb 1, 2017 20:10:24 GMT -8
Hey guys
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Post by karkador on Feb 1, 2017 20:10:53 GMT -8
The way I see it, everyone was mafia
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Post by melonrabbit on Feb 1, 2017 20:18:43 GMT -8
Hey.
I may have gone a little crazy.
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Post by natiko on Feb 1, 2017 20:48:39 GMT -8
I'm going to laugh if they went through all that and still don't find their mole in time. They really only have one shot tonight and then after that it'll be game over once 11037 is lynched.
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Post by dusksoldier on Feb 1, 2017 21:20:54 GMT -8
Yea idk there needed to be some stronger deterrents for the vaccines being out in the open. This felt pretty bad to lose through not being investigated or posts analysis. Yeah. I'm sorry about that. I went overboard with giving them protective roles, so they felt unstoppable. Using the Vaccines out in the open like they did pretty much cost them the game.
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Post by melonrabbit on Feb 1, 2017 21:53:23 GMT -8
I'm going to laugh if they went through all that and still don't find their mole in time. They really only have one shot tonight and then after that it'll be game over once 11037 is lynched. Interested to see this as well. Definitely didn't think we'd be in a blackmailing scenario D2. Oops. I was kinda stuck on how to complete my goal without revealing the whole faction. Not my best play.
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Post by Burbeting on Feb 2, 2017 5:50:32 GMT -8
Anyway, this is why while designing a game, even the worst case scenarios have to be taken into consideration.
Because worst case scenarios tend to happen.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Feb 2, 2017 10:37:23 GMT -8
Personally, I think the flavour/lore didn't translate that well into gameplay. It makes sense that a level 1 infected without the level 2 is pretty much useless (can't kill/infect) but being able to kill all infected by cutting the head off the snake is too unbalanced.
Don't put too much faith in one role. HP had that with Voldemort and when he got copped N1 and lynched the next day, it basically cost scum the game.
Ask yourself: what if any role died D1?
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Post by Burbeting on Feb 3, 2017 10:29:13 GMT -8
How many exits tonight?
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