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Post by karkador on Jan 31, 2017 15:07:53 GMT -8
There was plenty of good reasons to lynch kark. Btw kark all that stuff I posted just before Night 1 I genuinely thought it was true. I thought you had some a neutral role with some sort of immunity and you were out to get our faction. What is probably happening is the quiet players are infected and the vocal ones will be lynched. I hope people read the zelda spec thread and start going after inactives. That was going to be my play if we didn't escape. We had a shorter day 2 but there are some low post counts there. Posting less than Dusk Soldier would have been my cut-off for inactive players That's one thing to take into consideration, but with people like Zipped, I already know from playing with him before that he's just not ever high-activity, so I can't use that excuse. If I have to exclude one person from a logical deduction like that, the whole argument falls flat.
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Post by faddy on Jan 31, 2017 15:09:10 GMT -8
So I take it we escaped just in time. The achors, fat4all, fran faction was against ours. So they have failed?
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Post by karkador on Jan 31, 2017 15:14:10 GMT -8
Game's got me like
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jan 31, 2017 15:18:10 GMT -8
So I take it we escaped just in time. The achors, fat4all, fran faction was against ours. So they have failed? And to think on the last day we had no info and just turboed. Looks like we had a 4/17 chance of stealing the right passcard on any given night. Sorry acohrs you've been left behind.
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Post by faddy on Jan 31, 2017 15:18:26 GMT -8
Someone has to ask if they knew who infected was on day 2 why did they turbo you kark?
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Post by faddy on Jan 31, 2017 15:21:46 GMT -8
So I take it we escaped just in time. The achors, fat4all, fran faction was against ours. So they have failed? And to think on the last day we had no info and just turboed. Looks like we had a 4/17 chance of stealing the right passcard on any given night. Sorry acohrs you've been left behind. Do you believe that they all have passcards? Did you steal achors vaccine as well as his passcard? I think it is more likely we had 4/17 chance of hitting the PROBE and having to work out who has the card.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jan 31, 2017 15:32:12 GMT -8
fran says their whole faction has passcards to escape, but acohrs' was stolen so he'll be left behind.
And I re-read my role PM and the only objective there is to steal a passcard, so I wouldn't be taking anything else like a vaccine.
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Post by faddy on Jan 31, 2017 15:44:07 GMT -8
fran says their whole faction has passcards to escape, but acohrs' was stolen so he'll be left behind. And I re-read my role PM and the only objective there is to steal a passcard, so I wouldn't be taking anything else like a vaccine. I don't think they have all the vaccines they claim either. That is just a scum deterrent bluff. The game would be seriously broken if they have like 6 vaccines since that is 3 nights worth of cures. And I think we nerfed achors kill ability when we took his card.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jan 31, 2017 15:47:50 GMT -8
This is pretty entertaining. Fat now claims that they don't know whose passcard was stolen. I feel like he and the others have a separate win condition that involves killing Melon.
Also we haven't heard from everyone yet so I'm interested in what they have to say, if anything.
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Post by faddy on Jan 31, 2017 15:52:55 GMT -8
I'm still baffled they won't kill a confirmed infected. The desperation is what makes me think they lost their kill ability.
If they were playing for town they should immediately cure Burbeting and lynch 11
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jan 31, 2017 16:29:26 GMT -8
A ton of investigations and claims and no one wants to play mafia (i.e. figure out who's unclaimed/possibly lying).
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Post by karkador on Jan 31, 2017 16:44:37 GMT -8
Man, I'm glad I got out when I did
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Post by natiko on Jan 31, 2017 16:47:46 GMT -8
Meanwhile I'm kinda sad I missed out on all the actual craziness.
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Post by faddy on Jan 31, 2017 16:49:58 GMT -8
Man, I'm glad I got out when I did Someone must ask why they killed you. Also fran's history specifically throws shade on melon. It seems to be a strange win condition if they have to lynch a known target.
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Post by dusksoldier on Jan 31, 2017 17:39:13 GMT -8
ah, I was wondering if this would happen. I don't know the full mechanics of the game, but seems like this could be really bad for scum, unless there's another counter to it in play. I did build in a check to claiming. First, the vaccines were supposed to be secret. But Fran broke that by not only using his, but letting town know he had more. Now everyone infected knows they can potentially be cured. 2nd check were the neutral factions. There are about 8 neutrals in the game and they all lose if town wins. So they would normally have very little incentive to vote out scum this early. but 3 neutrals just left the game, so the voting power is in towns hands. depends who is lynched at this point. how things go forward.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jan 31, 2017 18:08:05 GMT -8
Dusk, did you see us winning so early? I mean, the odds were fairly good for us (especially with no D1 death, basically gives us an extra night).
I guess if we won later, that plus a Director swing and the neutral factions could change things quickly.
That said, everyone has been ignoring the Director (despite the possibility of becoming infected). I wonder if the fran group is wishing they should've pushed harder for one of them to be Director.
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Post by dusksoldier on Jan 31, 2017 18:21:22 GMT -8
I set up a lyncher/lynchee relationship as a distraction for D2.
the lynchee was holding both a passcard and a vaccine, and ideally you guys would have stolen the vaccine accidently when trying to raid his corpse.
and potentially wasted N3 going back for a second attempt.
kark-gate torpedoed that.
I think the set up hinged on the factions being a secret the first couple days.
Fran and fat were way too obvious though.
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Post by faddy on Feb 1, 2017 7:43:10 GMT -8
ah, I was wondering if this would happen. I don't know the full mechanics of the game, but seems like this could be really bad for scum, unless there's another counter to it in play. I did build in a check to claiming. First, the vaccines were supposed to be secret. But Fran broke that by not only using his, but letting town know he had more. Now everyone infected knows they can potentially be cured. 2nd check were the neutral factions. There are about 8 neutrals in the game and they all lose if town wins. So they would normally have very little incentive to vote out scum this early. but 3 neutrals just left the game, so the voting power is in towns hands. depends who is lynched at this point. how things go forward. That really doesn't stop early claims since the infection is going to take multiple days to clear. CCS had absolutely no backlash for his role claim on day 1. What were the consequences of fran revealing vaccines? Interesting dynamic now. Even if burbeting and 11 get cured and the other level 2 named, isn't there still another level 1 out there although can they do anything without level2s.
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Post by crimsonfist on Feb 1, 2017 8:00:46 GMT -8
If the level 2's can get cured, then technically is it possible for everyone (except Melon) to win?
Actually guess it wouldn't be since scum being cured means that the second neutral team loses, and they're the ones with the cures. But town and scum could theoretically all win together?
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Post by dusksoldier on Feb 1, 2017 8:09:58 GMT -8
Sorry, I meant a check to claiming infected.
Even if an infector was outed early game, players like you or franconp wouldn't have lynched them, and tried to steer votes elsewhere. You guys didn't know exactly how many infected players there were and couldn't risk the game ending too early.
Fat4all for instance knew who infected him, and let you guys lynch Kark anyways on D2. Also fran/acochrs/melon strongly suspected that burb was infected, but again said nothing. Even with 11037 outed fran is pushing the melon lynch.
I think today will boil down to whether or not 11037 is lynched. If he gets off today, even if they get one of his teammates. I think town will lose.
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Post by dusksoldier on Feb 1, 2017 8:15:01 GMT -8
If the level 2's can get cured, then technically is it possible for everyone (except Melon) to win? Actually guess it wouldn't be since scum being cured means that the second neutral team loses, and they're the ones with the cures. But town and scum could theoretically all win together? Level 2s will die if they're vaccinated. Cabot's death is supposed to be a very vague hint to that.
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Post by faddy on Feb 1, 2017 8:42:00 GMT -8
Sorry, I meant a check to claiming infected. Even if an infector was outed early game, players like you or franconp wouldn't have lynched them, and tried to steer votes elsewhere. You guys didn't know exactly how many infected players there were and couldn't risk the game ending too early. Fat4all for instance knew who infected him, and let you guys lynch Kark anyways on D2. Also fran/acochrs/melon strongly suspected that burb was infected, but again said nothing. Even with 11037 outed fran is pushing the melon lynch. I think today will boil down to whether or not 11037 is lynched. If he gets off today, even if they get one of his teammates. I think town will lose. If you didn't think people would be able to claim infected and town have gathered a whole load of information about the game and a faction actively working against them has left and they can pressure the neutrals with vaccines to help them. But you think town will lose with one mislynch today. Tough game
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Post by natiko on Feb 1, 2017 8:56:10 GMT -8
This is devolving rather quickly lol
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Post by faddy on Feb 1, 2017 9:00:40 GMT -8
So Kalor is claiming he was the mole and has won? Does that mean melon is innocent?
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Feb 1, 2017 9:58:18 GMT -8
No he's claiming neutral thief. Maybe he already won by stealing a vaccine, and needs to steal a passcard to escape?
Dusk what did you mean by us stealing a vaccine instead of a passcard? If acohrs had a vaccine then why didn't I steal that?
And there has to be a watcher in this game since I'm a ninja.
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Post by dusksoldier on Feb 1, 2017 10:04:48 GMT -8
This is devolving rather quickly lol I didn't want to straight boot them from the game when the spy won. But now I can see that was a pointless mistake. So Kalor is claiming he was the mole and has won? Does that mean melon is innocent? she has her own agenda. But she's not the spy they're looking for. No he's claiming neutral thief. Maybe he already won by stealing a vaccine, and needs to steal a passcard to escape? Dusk what did you mean by us stealing a vaccine instead of a passcard? If acohrs had a vaccine then why didn't I steal that? And there has to be a watcher in this game since I'm a ninja. Some players have two items. Normally I would have just let you take the one you needed in that case, but for dead players I was going to have you take the "wrong" item
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Post by faddy on Feb 1, 2017 10:15:33 GMT -8
This is devolving rather quickly lol I didn't want to straight boot them from the game when the spy won. But now I can see that was a pointless mistake. So Kalor is claiming he was the mole and has won? Does that mean melon is innocent? she has her own agenda. But she's not the spy they're looking for. No he's claiming neutral thief. Maybe he already won by stealing a vaccine, and needs to steal a passcard to escape? Dusk what did you mean by us stealing a vaccine instead of a passcard? If acohrs had a vaccine then why didn't I steal that? And there has to be a watcher in this game since I'm a ninja. Some players have two items. Normally I would have just let you take the one you needed in that case, but for dead players I was going to have you take the "wrong" item Ok. That doesn't make any sense. I don't like the fact you were making items out of thin air either. Kark said he didn't even know about a passcard when we stole it. If the other neutral faction has messed up so badly they should have got their chat dissolved and told it is every man for themselves. Basically make them town. How many vaccines do they have? The balance seems out of whack. It is an interesting game if not a fair one.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Feb 1, 2017 11:23:54 GMT -8
I'm not sure if the current state of the game is what Dusk had in mind, but it does seem like the neutral factions are meant to balance the weaker infected (who only number 2, are susceptible to various town PRs, and whose infected army can be cured).
I can imagine a scenario in which we reveal as a neutral faction and offer to help town, and heck even the board by probing for the mole.
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Post by natiko on Feb 1, 2017 11:32:11 GMT -8
I still really like the idea of this game, it's definitely unique and has some cool mechanics. I think the main issue is the game has quickly just become a discussion of the mechanics and most people are trying to find a way to abuse them.
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Post by faddy on Feb 1, 2017 11:40:59 GMT -8
I'm not sure if the current state of the game is what Dusk had in mind, but it does seem like the neutral factions are meant to balance the weaker infected (who only number 2, are susceptible to various town PRs, and whose infected army can be cured). I can imagine a scenario in which we reveal as a neutral faction and offer to help town, and heck even the board by probing for the mole. But the only threat to neutrals is town winning. Me and you had the prospect of being infected as well I suppose. Were you ever afraid of town winning quickly? If anything neutral powers are more effective in stopping the infected winning late on and extending the game. CCS as immune to infection and Board faction with loads of vaccines.
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