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Post by Ty4on on Oct 1, 2016 16:39:55 GMT -8
Let me rephrase it: at which point in the game should we have done something different? Where could town begin to hunt scum? What is the problem here and how could one resolve it? You start at D1? 
Inactives were given way too much leeway. There's been very little pressure exerted at Fire, Roy and L_P. Notice they're all posting fairly long, "logical" posts. Enough to make it seem in the back of your head like they're contributing. This is also related to some players being given way too much attention, attention is a finite resource. I remember a scum player giving a scum mate a tip saying write the name of every player player and mark one out when you mention it and try to mention everyone equally. That was to fake being engaged in every player, but I feel like town could do that too so they know whom they're ignoring.
Lack of communication. Many lynches were poorly reasoned and I feel the push for and against should've met more in discussion instead of taking around eachother. Kinda felt that way for Flush and look at how little opportunity those town reading Salva got to defend him. Salva wakes up late and (I think) is in Pacific time so he's usually unavailable 3pm Eastern (same in Gafia 2). A big discussion about the lynch is also a great way to read someone.
Poorly reasoned town reads. This is one I gotta look back into, but scum are behaving very nicely and good behavior =/= town. It's usually much more towny to behave "poorly" and be more emotional.
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Post by nukedeggs on Oct 1, 2016 20:50:14 GMT -8
Yeah...town has sunk into a miasma. That day felt so dead and inert somehow. Like people were talking at cross-purposes and people didn't really want to do too much about stuff.
I'm still really surprised the Salva was lynched. Just the fact he completely forgot about the game and was so absent seemed pretty non-scummy (and maybe non neutrally) because no way a scum would logically want to act like that...right? Right?
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Post by Barrylocke on Oct 1, 2016 20:54:22 GMT -8
A lot of weird assumptions too. Like one person would theorize a thing and others would assume it to be true. Everyone assumed it was a vig that did the Christina kill and not a serial killer because....? Same thing happened with assuming trainers are of all 3 alignments, though to be fair I also expected at least one non-town trainer.
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Post by Sophia on Oct 2, 2016 9:27:14 GMT -8
Let me rephrase it: at which point in the game should we have done something different? Where could town begin to hunt scum? What is the problem here and how could one resolve it? You start at D1?
Inactives were given way too much leeway. There's been very little pressure exerted at Fire, Roy and L_P. Notice they're all posting fairly long, "logical" posts. Enough to make it seem in the back of your head like they're contributing. This is also related to some players being given way too much attention, attention is a finite resource. I remember a scum player giving a scum mate a tip saying write the name of every player player and mark one out when you mention it and try to mention everyone equally. That was to fake being engaged in every player, but I feel like town could do that too so they know whom they're ignoring.
Lack of communication. Many lynches were poorly reasoned and I feel the push for and against should've met more in discussion instead of taking around eachother. Kinda felt that way for Flush and look at how little opportunity those town reading Salva got to defend him. Salva wakes up late and (I think) is in Pacific time so he's usually unavailable 3pm Eastern (same in Gafia 2). A big discussion about the lynch is also a great way to read someone.
Poorly reasoned town reads. This is one I gotta look back into, but scum are behaving very nicely and good behavior =/= town. It's usually much more towny to behave "poorly" and be more emotional.
You're actually right. Getting off on the right foot on Day 1 is crucial to winning as town, and we didn't get that here because there were too many inactives, nobody really wanting to talk, communicate, etc. I made two correct gut reads on the scum team, voiced them, and promptly dismissed them because there was very little conversation on them. If this happened to me, imagine who else probably had gut reads and didn't put them forward or whatever? To say nothing of the mistakes that we all (myself included, sorry Bronx) made. There's a little bit of luck involved, but if everyone doesn't have strong reads going into Day 2, then town has a much harder time winning. And if you have players who basically throw half of their game time as town, how ARE we suppose to win? Especially when we don't lynch them D1 because people hesitate. : \ |
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Post by crimsonfist on Oct 2, 2016 10:12:41 GMT -8
It feels like this game town has also been hampered by a lot of discussion over flavour/mechanics based lynches.
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Post by Sophia on Oct 2, 2016 10:32:27 GMT -8
It feels like this game town has also been hampered by a lot of discussion over flavour/mechanics based lynches. I tried to stay away from mechanics discussion myself, but I feel like it just made me look scummier. x.x; |
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Post by Barrylocke on Oct 2, 2016 11:37:19 GMT -8
I need to be better at brushing away thoughts as "I'm sure it's nothing" and not voicing them or planning to voice them later. With my "@triangleresponse" post , I felt like Fireblends response to talking about it was the most suspicious because it seemed like someone jumping in on an opportunity to talk and feel productive. But while I mentioned him as being one that caught my eye, I didn't get pointed with it.
I did this for some thoughts in bar gafia too. I think for me I have a problem voicing hard accusations on really mushy ideas of evidence, so I lean soft on my suspicions and even neglect to voice them altogether. It's one thing I admire about Darryl and Gorlaks playstyles (among others, but those stick out to me because I've played with them more than once). Even if it's not on the mark it can get people to sweat and ensures they have a spotlight.
On a side note, Sophia I was surprised you were able to pick up a difference between "Darryl with nothing to lose" and "Darryl witha secret". It all seemed like the same aggressive play to me.
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Post by Sophia on Oct 2, 2016 14:18:53 GMT -8
I need to be better at brushing away thoughts as "I'm sure it's nothing" and not voicing them or planning to voice them later. With my "@triangleresponse" post , I felt like Fireblends response to talking about it was the most suspicious because it seemed like someone jumping in on an opportunity to talk and feel productive. But while I mentioned him as being one that caught my eye, I didn't get pointed with it. I did this for some thoughts in bar gafia too. I think for me I have a problem voicing hard accusations on really mushy ideas of evidence, so I lean soft on my suspicions and even neglect to voice them altogether. It's one thing I admire about Darryl and Gorlaks playstyles (among others, but those stick out to me because I've played with them more than once). Even if it's not on the mark it can get people to sweat and ensures they have a spotlight. On a side note, Sophia I was surprised you were able to pick up a difference between "Darryl with nothing to lose" and "Darryl witha secret". It all seemed like the same aggressive play to me. I've gotten pretty good at reading Darryl. Of course, he's also gotten really good at reading me. We also play off each other very well. If we're ever on the same scum team, it'll be pretty devastating. >.> |
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Post by Burbeting on Oct 3, 2016 3:20:20 GMT -8
The doctor has targeted scum 2/4 nights.
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Post by Barrylocke on Oct 3, 2016 4:00:08 GMT -8
The doctor has targeted scum 2/4 nights. Sawneeks? |
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 3, 2016 11:04:11 GMT -8
Oh nice, straight to Lylo!
I doubt every townie will realize this.
One stray vote and scum could pile on.
That'll happen today. Scum will secure the win via turboing.
E: They might have to fish for a SK afterwards, but only if the person was blocked N1.
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Post by Sophia on Oct 3, 2016 11:08:09 GMT -8
All I'll say is... Town is in a really bad spot. I will be shocked if they win now.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 3, 2016 11:08:13 GMT -8
Hey Burb can you give us access to the pokemon trainer chats? That would be lovely :)
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Post by Burbeting on Oct 3, 2016 11:09:26 GMT -8
You will get it soon enough. Besides, the chats are 1-3 pages long at most, not much to read on.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 3, 2016 11:16:21 GMT -8
So Ynnek was the SK? "Turning into Candy" means killing them, right?
Unsuccessfull N1, turned El Topo into 2 Candies N2, turned CM into 1 Candy N3, turned Star into 2 Candies N4 -> won.
So it's down to 5 scum against 6 town. Doc is alive, probably no further PR?
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 3, 2016 11:17:35 GMT -8
Yay Splinter is finally on track! :)
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Post by Burbeting on Oct 3, 2016 11:19:09 GMT -8
Ynnek turned El Topo and Christina to 1 candy each, and Star to two candies last night.
The Serial Killer was supposed to be the hardest roles in the game, but then town decided to claim being recruited even after Topo died as a warning, lol.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 3, 2016 11:20:28 GMT -8
What if one scum player comes forward and claima cop. Fire or Roy could probably. Give town 3 green checks (1 dead) and 1 fake red flag. Would it be reasonable? |
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 3, 2016 11:23:19 GMT -8
Wait. Blarg is vengeful. Just lynch him. 4 town 5 scum, NK. Game over. Only drawback if a townie unvotes late and scum kill themselves^^ |
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Post by Burbeting on Oct 3, 2016 11:23:56 GMT -8
I don't think they have to anything drastic. They got this unless something unexpected comes around.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 3, 2016 11:28:04 GMT -8
So we don't have anything in favour of town anymore? Was to be expected :/
How were the teams build? Let's see
scum: Roleblock
2-shot Ninja
2-shot Strongman
Vengeful
Goon
neutral: candy killer of caught pkmn
town:
1 roleblock trainer
2 gossips
1 tracker
1 double vote
possibly a doc?
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Post by Burbeting on Oct 3, 2016 11:33:22 GMT -8
Town Tracker countered with Scum Ninja
Town Doctor countered with Scum Strongman
Scum Vengeful countered with Neutral SK and Town Roleblocker Trainer
Scum Goon that is best candidate for being recruited into trainer teams.
Outside of that, two trainers with different restrictions, a Pokémon that searches for trainer, doublevoter and Celebrity.
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Post by crimsonfist on Oct 3, 2016 11:38:16 GMT -8
So scum should totally bus blarg and then pile on him when he gets a single vote. Nothing could go wrong
edit: Oh yeah, vengeful, so they couldn't pull a Woof 2 even if they wanted to, since the last vote must be town.
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Post by Swamped on Oct 3, 2016 11:58:15 GMT -8
Oh everyone knows Blarg's secret then Today is becoming exciting! |
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 3, 2016 12:00:21 GMT -8
Whooops, I maybe forgot Spoilers! Shall I edit?
Here we go: Blarg time :)
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Post by Burbeting on Oct 3, 2016 12:10:09 GMT -8
Can town resist the temptation of lynching Blarg? That's the question for today.
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Post by crimsonfist on Oct 3, 2016 12:12:33 GMT -8
They have to lynch Blarg at some point, and no longer have any trainers to counter him. The possibility of town winning seems pretty much non-existent, they'd have to hit scum every day whilst saving Blarg for last.
I guess town's only real chance would be scum getting caught by Blarg's vengefulness.
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Post by Barrylocke on Oct 3, 2016 12:15:00 GMT -8
They have no reason to do so. It's over.
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Post by Burbeting on Oct 3, 2016 12:15:02 GMT -8
Doctor could save the town even after Blarg is lynched, though.
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Post by crimsonfist on Oct 3, 2016 12:16:10 GMT -8
Doctor could save the town even after Blarg is lynched, though. Wouldn't they have to get the save every night until the end of the game though? |
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