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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Aug 1, 2016 20:03:30 GMT -8
I guess that makes up for the somewhat-lucky D1 vote. I didn't really scum-read Hyper because scum Hyper and town Hyper play pretty similarly. Kind of sucks that I finally get a PR and I'm offed so early. I'm usually pretty good at coasting to late game too. My N1 target was cabot because he was one of the late Hyper votes and seemed to just wait until he had a clear majority. Yo L_P, I voted on Hyper when it was 4-3 to Terra, causing a swing. You suck, b. Ah well, if I survived I might've died D2 anyway.
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Post by skyodin on Aug 2, 2016 21:08:46 GMT -8
BTW, I wish cabot could display even a bit a remorse. I know he has to play confident if he doesn't want to get lynched, but I am currently still rooting for scum to win, even if it is Sorian. Sorry Sky, I made a case against you and it was fairly strong. I'm not gonna feel remorse for that. I think this is just inexperience, I used to feel really bad when I got it wrong and lynched a town I was sure was scum, but you play more games and you learn that as Town you're gonna be wrong multiple times in the game. There's no point in feeling sad or remorseful about it, you just take the L and move on to what the flip gives you. Most of Town agreed with me that you were a decent scum candidate, that means it was your play, not my mistake. Some people relented with one of your posts at the end, and to be honest it did read as town, but a) badminton + I was trying to stop my flat from exploding so was mostly away for day end b) A scum team mate could have told you to play this post, which would make you look town. I think you learn this, because if you play as Town Leader, you need to be confident in your opinions. Any signs of reluctance can be read as scummy, or just makes you a bad leader. You were asking me questions that I had already answered in previous posts (indicating you're losing track of the game, could be because you have a scum chat to manage as well) You played the 'if i flip town what will you learn' card (you learn from every flip, I made this point) and I just generally scumread you in your style. It's why Hyper's salt is interesting. Your writing style is overly detailed, very cold and distant Hyper. It's why I couldn't get through your posts. Playing townie is basically being as honest and forthright as possible, I never got that from you. You also really didn't go for reads or anything, you need to give your opinion on others with reasons for me to see if I can understand that logic as someone who is Town. Even after your flip, there was so little to glean from your posts. You think it was coincidence you and terra were both on the lynch wagon on D1? Terra was fairly inactive, but when he did post he wasn't saying anything that could help me read him. The thing is, your methodology was wrong this time. You didn't catch any scum at all this time around. It is one thing to say that you thought I was behaving in a scummy manner, but your methodology wasn't successful enough to really be that different from blind luck. I mean, I caught the connection between Terra and Hyper at least. You singled in on me and pushed that one lynch with all of your effort, but you were wrong. I am not convinced that your approach to mafia is successful enough for me to accept it, let alone emulate it. I am fully aware that I still have a long way to go as a Mafia player, and I know that I need to step up my game if I continue playing as a part of Gafia. For the record, I was never on the lynch wagon on day 1. You were the only person who voted for me or called me scummy on Day 1. If you recall, it was a vote between Terra and Hyper, two scum, with Lone_Prodigy being briefly considered. To be honest, I kinda think you tunneled in on me, and started to ignore the rest of the scum candidates, particularly on Day 2. That doesn't help with the scum hunt very much. I also think your writing style comes across as colder, more hostile, and reserved than Hyper's, so i don't really see where you are coming from with that criticism of him. In any event, the only reason said that I would like to see a little remorse was mostly because I was feeling bummed out and bitter at being singled out so badly. I know it happens to town all the time, so i can accept that. But it just kinda sucks when it feels like no-one believes you or is willing to listen to you, even though you are being 100% honest and forthcoming. I wasn't actually angry, but at this point it feels like a lot of people in this Mafia community only talk down to new players and are rarely encouraging or welcoming in their advice. You are being a bit of jerk here.
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Post by yn on Aug 2, 2016 21:14:42 GMT -8
In any event, the only reason said that I would like to see a little remorse was mostly because I was feeling bummed out and bitter at being singled out so badly. I know it happens to town all the time, so i can accept that. But it just kinda sucks when it feels like no-one believes you or is willing to listen to you, even though you are being 100% honest and forthcoming. I wasn't actually angry, but at this point it feels like a lot of people in this Mafia community only talk down to new players and are rarely encouraging or welcoming in their advice. You are being a bit of jerk here. awww sky-o for whatever it's worth i thought you smelled like town to me and stanley so i think some of us at least were able to receive your signals you played quite well, in my opinion and i really believe you will build on your experience and become a terrific mafia player the more you play :> i do hope that you can sense that a few of us LOVE new players and personally, I always encourage and welcome new blood to our community. so, hope to see more of sky-o in our future games, o yes pls \o/
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Post by skyodin on Aug 2, 2016 21:22:09 GMT -8
Thanks ynnny.
To bo honest, I am not really upset at cabot or anything. I just tried my best, and was frustrated that things didn't work out.
Maybe I just don't like this sense of everyone having to defend and justify all of their decisions even after the game is over. There is nothing wrong with making mistakes, particularly when other people are actively working to deceive you. So I don't really understand why cabot chooses to stand by the idea that he was "right" over making me feel better now that the game is over.
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Post by yn on Aug 2, 2016 23:25:39 GMT -8
well, a few players JUST came out from the game, so when they saw something that's pertinent to them, they feel compelled to have a say so that their side of feelings are also presented. after all, we haven't had a chance to actually participate in the spec thread during the game, so we can only respond once the game IS over.
but maybe, in cabot's own way, (i mean if you look at how he interacts with L_P post-game and so on), he may find value in accepting that some moves were bad but they were made with the town's best interests at heart, and that's part of the game. in a way, maybe he's trying to encourage that things are NOT taken to heart and that we live and learn and get better?
dont take my words though. just my perception of how cabot can be.
i do hear you though! there's a good value in reminding ourselves that we ARE playing with other people and that we shouldn't be too hard on each other post-game. i think you have a very valid point there, sky-o
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Post by cabot on Aug 2, 2016 23:57:54 GMT -8
I mean my vote was on terra and hyper day 1, so I was on scum both ways. I also was going to go after Sorian on the day it ended.
Is it my job to make you feel better? This is a fundamental problem it seems. It's my job to explain my actions and why I did what I did.
If you think that I'm cold and that, that's fine. But the majority of my posts are fairly short at least, so reading them shouldn't be hard. Hyper did brain dumps where not a lot of anything was said. Nothing that could make me read him effectively, at least.
Nothing in my post has changed, you can't play missing posts where someone says something or mixing up posters and not expect people to jump on that. Take heart in some of my feedback at least. Also it's a game, you shouldn't be expecting me to make you feel better. It's all part of the game.
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Post by skyodin on Aug 3, 2016 12:25:09 GMT -8
Hey, I am very perfectly aware that I messed up. I admitted that one day 2 of the game and I haven't ever denied that I messed up. I perfectly understand why you scum read me. You never needed to justify yourself over that.
That's what confuses me: why did you feel the need to make a huge post getting defensive over your actions? I had let things go and moved on for the most part. I only remembered that I had said that when I poked my nose in Outer Gafia and saw your response.
The thing is, the game is over. Saying: "...it's a game, you shouldn't be expecting me to make you feel better." just seems alien to me. We aren't playing a game anymore, we are socializing on a message board. Don't you want to be friendly with the people in the community between games? Isn't the point of a game like Mafia to meet people and try to make friends?
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Post by Sophia on Aug 3, 2016 15:12:10 GMT -8
It's inevitable that, at one point or another, no matter how well you defend yourself you're going to be lynched. It just happens. I made mistakes in Bachelor Party, and Kawl used them with his own internal logic to justify lynching me late in the game. There's no reason for anyone to feel remorse about them; that's simply the nature of the game.
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Post by Splinter on Aug 3, 2016 15:46:40 GMT -8
Ohh Well it wasn't a totally analogous situation, but things were going badly for scum, so I thought they had killed an unexpected target purely to throw us off. Under that assumption I decided to continue with the previous day's targets which seemed to be melon and Ty.
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Post by cabot on Aug 4, 2016 12:43:51 GMT -8
Hey, I am very perfectly aware that I messed up. I admitted that one day 2 of the game and I haven't ever denied that I messed up. I perfectly understand why you scum read me. You never needed to justify yourself over that. That's what confuses me: why did you feel the need to make a huge post getting defensive over your actions? I had let things go and moved on for the most part. I only remembered that I had said that when I poked my nose in Outer Gafia and saw your response. The thing is, the game is over. Saying: "...it's a game, you shouldn't be expecting me to make you feel better." just seems alien to me. We aren't playing a game anymore, we are socializing on a message board. Don't you want to be friendly with the people in the community between games? Isn't the point of a game like Mafia to meet people and try to make friends? I was defensive because you said I should feel bad about being wrong. I made it clear that you learn as you play more games that being wrong is common, and feeling bad about being wrong isnt particularly useful, understanding why you were wrong is better. I pointed out why I was wrong, because of the things I scumread you for. That's what Discord is for. I consider spec threads to be part of the game.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Aug 8, 2016 12:14:08 GMT -8
well, a few players JUST came out from the game, so when they saw something that's pertinent to them, they feel compelled to have a say so that their side of feelings are also presented. after all, we haven't had a chance to actually participate in the spec thread during the game, so we can only respond once the game IS over. but maybe, in cabot's own way, ( i mean if you look at how he interacts with L_P post-game and so on), he may find value in accepting that some moves were bad but they were made with the town's best interests at heart, and that's part of the game. in a way, maybe he's trying to encourage that things are NOT taken to heart and that we live and learn and get better? dont take my words though. just my perception of how cabot can be. i do hear you though! there's a good value in reminding ourselves that we ARE playing with other people and that we shouldn't be too hard on each other post-game. i think you have a very valid point there, sky-o It's okay to be jealous.
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