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Post by Roytheone on Jul 29, 2016 11:14:41 GMT -8
ynnny is shooting Sorian with her refunded bullet
Sorian is roleblocking ynnny
They are night killing vanilla townie Sophia
Ynny for best townie. She has a 100% succes rate of targeting scum. That's the best a vig has ever done
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jul 29, 2016 13:46:22 GMT -8
I don't know if I can root for scum. Dying N1 is almost as bad as dying D1, especially when I had a PR this time.
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Post by Sophia on Jul 29, 2016 13:48:05 GMT -8
SO LIKE
THEY KILLED ME.
ISN'T THAT STRANGE? THEY KILLED ME.
Hi everyone.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jul 29, 2016 14:04:09 GMT -8
This back and forth going on is pretty fun. melon keeps landing on scum lists but no one has been voting for her.
And Sorian seems to have gotten even better since he started playing in MU.
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Post by Sophia on Jul 29, 2016 14:07:48 GMT -8
So uh.... few things Hyper: One thing I learned from Werewolf 1 was that people pay a whole lot of attention to the perceived scum-hunting of other players. You had high speculation of the setup and very low scumhunting, and your defense wasn't really justifying why you had low scumhunting. I've also learned (thanks to everyone going "Sophia has outside the box observations, but at least she's trying to hunt for scum!") that as long as you LOOK like you're trying to scum hunt, you can basically bullshit your through day one short of a very blatant faux-pas. Sky: I admit I was getting cold feet on you near the end, but I wanted scum to night kill me. If I had flipped flop so late in the day phase, they would have kept me alive for the D3 lynch. Sorry about that. We did however hit an ideal scenario in that two vanilla townies died (you D2/me N2) so this is not entirely a bad outcome. Town is in a favorable position to win. Knowing the scum team now, I am legitimately surprised that neither me nor Kawl died N1. I figured that was the obvious scenario. But then again you all hit the town cop, so your luck was extremely good anyhow.
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Post by Sophia on Jul 29, 2016 14:09:29 GMT -8
This back and forth going on is pretty fun. melon keeps landing on scum lists but no one has been voting for her. And Sorian seems to have gotten even better since he started playing in MU. Admittedly, now that I know the scum team it's hard to say for sure, but I think melon's being a bit too obvious with her hyperaggressiveness now. Remains to be seen if someone picks up on that, however.
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Post by Sophia on Jul 29, 2016 14:18:40 GMT -8
OH SHIT, YNNNY.
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Post by skyodin on Jul 29, 2016 14:23:35 GMT -8
Welcome to our club Sophia.
I've noticed that no one is even bothering with peeks anymore. I guess that plan died quickly, despite the still existent (from their perspective) possibility of a cop being in the game.
Wait, wasn't ynnny roleblocked? Why is ynnny claiming cop and pointing at melon?
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Post by timeaisis on Jul 29, 2016 14:24:49 GMT -8
Ynny making moves. I like it.
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Post by skyodin on Jul 29, 2016 14:25:53 GMT -8
BTW, I wish cabot could display even a bit a remorse. I know he has to play confident if he doesn't want to get lynched, but I am currently still rooting for scum to win, even if it is Sorian.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jul 29, 2016 14:29:12 GMT -8
@sophia, early-game speculation is usually about the setup, plus someone RP'ing and multiple joking votes. Hard to scum-hunt when there's nothing to go on. In your case as a replacement I think it was almost a boon that you can pop in late and start pointing fingers right away. You don't get always get a scenario like that.
Not sure what YNNNY is going with here but look at how quick Sorian is to vote melon. Claiming one-shot is a good way to get scum off your back too.
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Post by Sophia on Jul 29, 2016 14:31:41 GMT -8
Welcome to our club Sophia. I've noticed that no one is even bothering with peeks anymore. I guess that plan died quickly, despite the still existent (from their perspective) possibility of a cop being in the game. Wait, wasn't yenny roleblocked? Why is yenny claiming cop and pointing at melon? I think a big factor in why the plan failed is the one two combination of Kawl not explaining it clearly enough and the cop dying on D1. Now that I understand it correctly, it is a very solid strategy for an open setup game. But it goes against GAFia Meta very hard, and we've typically done closed setup games. This is actually my first open set up game as far as forum mafia goes. As for why Ynnny is claiming cop.... I presume she was roleblocked twice in a row given she was vig. If she targeted Melon on N1, and then got roleblocked again on N2, she might be claiming cop to see the reactions. Hard to say for sure what she's going for tho. @sophia, early-game speculation is usually about the setup, plus someone RP'ing and multiple joking votes. Hard to scum-hunt when there's nothing to go on. In your case as a replacement I think it was almost a boon that you can pop in late and start pointing fingers right away. You don't get always get a scenario like that. Not sure what YNNNY is going with here but look at how quick Sorian is to vote melon. Claiming one-shot is a good way to get scum off your back too. Just because there's nothing to go on initially doesn't mean you have nowhere to go. I would have started pointing fingers even if I had been in the game from the getgo tho. It's my style to sit on stuff and then look for patterns. >_>;
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Post by skyodin on Jul 29, 2016 14:33:49 GMT -8
I don't think Sorian has any choice. There is no evidence at all that ynnny would be lying, and when someone claims cop, you give them credit until proven wrong. Of course, Sorian already seemed to be trying to get melon lynched anyways.
However, since this game has no majority day end, we are getting to get a full 22 hours of WIFOM now.
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Post by timeaisis on Jul 29, 2016 14:36:01 GMT -8
She was rolelocked twice in a row after targeting melon both times.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jul 29, 2016 14:41:06 GMT -8
Welcome to our club Sophia. I've noticed that no one is even bothering with peeks anymore. I guess that plan died quickly, despite the still existent (from their perspective) possibility of a cop being in the game. Wait, wasn't yenny roleblocked? Why is yenny claiming cop and pointing at melon? I think a big factor in why the plan failed is the one two combination of Kawl not explaining it clearly enough and the cop dying on D1. Now that I understand it correctly, it is a very solid strategy for an open setup game. But it goes against GAFia Meta very hard, and we've typically done closed setup games. This is actually my first open set up game as far as forum mafia goes. As for why Ynnny is claiming cop.... I presume she was roleblocked twice in a row given she was vig. If she targeted Melon on N1, and then got roleblocked again on N2, she might be claiming cop to see the reactions. Hard to say for sure what she's going for tho. @sophia, early-game speculation is usually about the setup, plus someone RP'ing and multiple joking votes. Hard to scum-hunt when there's nothing to go on. In your case as a replacement I think it was almost a boon that you can pop in late and start pointing fingers right away. You don't get always get a scenario like that. Not sure what YNNNY is going with here but look at how quick Sorian is to vote melon. Claiming one-shot is a good way to get scum off your back too. Just because there's nothing to go on initially doesn't mean you have nowhere to go. I would have started pointing fingers even if I had been in the game from the getgo tho. It's my style to sit on stuff and then look for patterns. >_>; I think there needed to be an explicit peeking example. Like, Player A, B, C peek Player D Player D, E, F peek Player C Player G, H peek Player E If Player D is scum, scum knows that A, B, C can't be scum (unless the cop is sitting on a mafia result). There was also the question of "who goes first", when to do it, etc. As for your point about pointing fingers, I'm not the kind of player to just start voting out of nowhere. I guess that's why I had trouble with the activity requirement. And yes, Sorian had to look hard at melon since she was already suspicious. Sometimes I wonder if scum Sorian just plays like a solo neutral player.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jul 29, 2016 14:42:28 GMT -8
She was rolelocked twice in a row after targeting melon both times. So scum must think she's one-shot cop or vig. I wonder if they'll risk shooting her tonight or continue to sit on her. Wait bats said on the last page that she was shooting Sorian.
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Post by skyodin on Jul 29, 2016 14:44:15 GMT -8
She was rolelocked twice in a row after targeting melon both times. So scum must think she's one-shot cop or vig. I wonder if they'll risk shooting her tonight or continue to sit on her. Wait bats said on the last page that she was shooting Sorian. I guess that comes down to whether or not scum thinks there is a doctor in the game.
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Post by Sophia on Jul 29, 2016 14:55:36 GMT -8
She was rolelocked twice in a row after targeting melon both times. I am starting to see why Ynnny made that claim she did. One-shot cop is safer than claiming town vig, there can't be another cop if I understand the setup right, and it puts scum in an awkward posistion where they can't draw attention to the claim without revealing too much information.
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Post by skyodin on Jul 29, 2016 14:59:27 GMT -8
Sorian made a dangerous slip of the tongue, and I think *Splinter caught it. Mafia might be in trouble if Sorian can't deflect away from why he knew melon would be a goon rather than roleblocker.
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Post by Sophia on Jul 29, 2016 15:02:35 GMT -8
Sorian made a dangerous slip of the tongue, and I think *Splinter caught it. Mafia might be in trouble if Sorian can't deflect away from why he knew melon would be a goon rather than roleblocker. I'm pretty sure Splinter caught it, yeah. This is why I like butting heads with him. He catches the practical details that I miss, and it's easy to properly town read each other and work stuff out. Even if we're at each oither's thraots while we do it.
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Post by batsnacks on Jul 29, 2016 15:03:57 GMT -8
that was a very bold claim
but it's gonna work out
ynnny won't get roleblocked again. she killed mafia and guarantees her shot cause mafia thinks she's 1-shot cop.
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Post by Sophia on Jul 29, 2016 15:06:16 GMT -8
that was a very bold claim but it's gonna work out ynnny won't get roleblocked again. she killed mafia and guarantees her shot cause mafia thinks she's 1-shot cop. Yeah I was curious as to what happens if Ynnny and Sorian target each other. But if they both die, then that's game over for Sorian for sure. Town MVP for her~! I'm guessing Melon is the roleblocker then? Because Sorian could RB + Kill her otherwise.
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Post by batsnacks on Jul 29, 2016 15:07:05 GMT -8
game is over I think?
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Post by batsnacks on Jul 29, 2016 15:12:05 GMT -8
wait no
Mafia roleblocked ynny, they know she's lying. They're okay.
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Post by Sophia on Jul 29, 2016 15:15:17 GMT -8
wait no Mafia roleblocked ynny, they know she's lying. They're okay. I don't think it matters. They don't have a way of counter-claiming it without drawing suspcision to themselves and Ynnny has definitely hit scum so... If Sorian is the Roleblocker, he can roleblock Ynnny to prevent the game from ending tho. But he's still in a very difficult position because once Melon flips nobody is going to suspect Ynnny again.
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Post by batsnacks on Jul 29, 2016 15:16:31 GMT -8
that was a very bold claim but it's gonna work out ynnny won't get roleblocked again. she killed mafia and guarantees her shot cause mafia thinks she's 1-shot cop. Yeah I was curious as to what happens if Ynnny and Sorian target each other. But if they both die, then that's game over for Sorian for sure. Town MVP for her~! I'm guessing Melon is the roleblocker then? Because Sorian could RB + Kill her otherwise. roleblock resolves first so ynnny's bullet gets refunded if they target each other. Sorian is the roleblocker. Mafia is understandably confused about ynnny's role/alignment at the moment.
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Post by Sophia on Jul 29, 2016 15:17:32 GMT -8
Yeah I was curious as to what happens if Ynnny and Sorian target each other. But if they both die, then that's game over for Sorian for sure. Town MVP for her~! I'm guessing Melon is the roleblocker then? Because Sorian could RB + Kill her otherwise. roleblock resolves first so ynnny's bullet gets refunded if they target each other. Sorian is the roleblocker. Mafia is understandably confused about ynnny's role/alignment at the moment. Ah, yeah. If Sorian is the roleblocker, the game isn't over. He's just in a very bad state.
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Post by Sophia on Jul 29, 2016 15:23:23 GMT -8
Honestly, Sorian's in real trouble now. If they lynch Melon, Ynnny will shoot him and he'll be forced to roleblock. No night kill will come up. Then Ynnny can come clean with all the information and lead a clean lynch against Sorian.
And this is not accounting for anyone else picking up patterns connecting Melon to Sorian, of which there are several.
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Post by batsnacks on Jul 29, 2016 15:24:28 GMT -8
possibilities mafia is discussing: Sorian was roleblocked by town and ynnny is actually a 1-shot cop... but that setup is only possible with a SK in the game??? ynnny is the SK and they have been roleblocking her the whole game??? ynnny made an insane gambit and is lying???
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Jul 29, 2016 15:24:53 GMT -8
So YNNNY's been roleblocked yet she's suddenly claimed one-shot cop who investigated melon.
Mafia must think YNNNY is either completely lying about being a PR (and picked melon out of nowhere), or an actual PR who didn't see any results and is thus thinking that melon is the RB. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I think Sorian shoots YNNNY. She's likely a PR who won't be voted out and she still has her shot.
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