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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 9, 2016 18:02:00 GMT -8
...No one has anything to say? Launch, Crimson, neutrals? Can we get some kind of discussion going?
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 9, 2016 19:09:30 GMT -8
Why should I, just gonna lose anyways, bothign forbme to see here.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 9, 2016 19:44:17 GMT -8
I feel for the fact that Terra and Nin ended up on the same side. That's rough.
Anyway, now that I'm home, here's what it comes down to, plain and simple. If Retro is town, he has to ally. Kalor, if you reasonably believe that I am town and you are town, you should ally. Crimson, if you reasonably believe that Scrafty is town and you are town then you should ally. If the pair of Kalor/Sorian or Crimson/Scrafty is scum/scum then the only counter we have at this moment is if Retro is town and decides to choose betray instead. That's the full situation as it stands right now, probably obvious but we may as well lay the groundwork. The game comes down to Retro being town and reads on the part of Kalor and Crimson.
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Post by Retro on Apr 9, 2016 21:40:28 GMT -8
Okay, I've thought it over, and I'm going to Ally. Come on, Nin, Terra, let's end this. I've got another game to be setting up.
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 9, 2016 23:51:04 GMT -8
DECISION PHASE 4
Will last for 25 hours or until all commands in.
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Post by Burbeting on Apr 10, 2016 10:21:12 GMT -8
DECISION PHASE 4 RESULTS Terrabyte & nin1000 - BETRAY versus Retro - BETRAY Sorian & RobotNinjaHornets - BETRAY versus Kalor - ALLY Launchpad & ScraftyDevil - BETRAY versus CrimsonFist - ALLY POINTS: ScraftyDevil - 9 LaunchpadMcQ - 6 Sorian - 9 CrimsonFist - 1 Retro - 3 Kalor - 1 Terrabyte - 8 RobotNinjaHornets - 6 nin1000 - 8 Please note, that you cannot obtain more than 9 points. SORIAN AND SCRAFTYDEVIL HAVE REACHED ESCAPER STATUS AT LEAST 3 ESCAPERS ARE NEEDED, SO GAME CONTINUES (please note on the rules about Escapers) --- TALK PHASE 5 BEGINS Match-ups for this cycle: Terrabyte & ScraftyDevil versus Launchpad Kalor & Sorian versus nin RobotNinjaHornets & Crimsonfist versus Retro Due to popular demand, this Talk Phase will be 24 hours.
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 10, 2016 10:35:21 GMT -8
Initial reaction: Nin, Kalor, please remove Sorian from the escapee list please I don't trust that fucker one bit
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 10, 2016 10:35:56 GMT -8
HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAH
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Post by Kalor on Apr 10, 2016 10:45:51 GMT -8
Initial reaction: Nin, Kalor, please remove Sorian from the escapee list please I don't trust that fucker one bit I was thinking about betraying last night but thought that if you and Sorian allied I didn't want to make you both lose points. I was going to mention I wanted to betray but I didn't realize it was a 12 hour phase. Though I should have guessed that Sorian would betray (I'm assuming this but I think it's a good assumption.) I have every intention of betraying today since that means Sorian will lose escapee status if Nin betrays, although resulting in my death.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 10, 2016 10:48:07 GMT -8
Initial reaction: Nin, Kalor, please remove Sorian from the escapee list please I don't trust that fucker one bit I did betray, yes, is this a claim that you chose ally? As it stands, Kalor has to betray or he could potentially die and Nin will choose betray because of that so you get your wish, I'll go down to 8 points anyway. The better question is how do you feel about Scrafty, she can very easily stay at 9 points in this set-up.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 10, 2016 10:49:15 GMT -8
Initial reaction: Nin, Kalor, please remove Sorian from the escapee list please I don't trust that fucker one bit I was thinking about betraying last night but thought that if you and Sorian allied I didn't want to make you both lose points. I was going to mention I wanted to betray but I didn't realize it was a 12 hour phase. Though I should have guessed that Sorian would betray (I'm assuming this but I think it's a good assumption.) I have every intention of betraying today since that means Sorian will lose escapee status if Nin betrays, although resulting in my death. You would not die if you betray, you have 100% chance of staying alive that way and I'd rather you did, I don't want to give anyone an easier pass in coming phases because there is 8 people instead of 9.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 10, 2016 11:22:55 GMT -8
Yeah, 12 hours is too short. I didn't even get a chance to get on the site :s
"Launchpad & ScraftyDevil - BETRAY
versus
CrimsonFist - ALLY"
I chose Betray to play it safe, because I came in late and Crimson didn't give me enough of a read to go on. I was town-reading Scrafty up until now, but why the hell would Crimson vote Ally without discussing? I think that Scrafty and Crimson are scum partners, and Crimson voted Ally to push her to escape status.
I'm going to need some counsel here. I don't think I can push Terra through if it means pushing Scrafty through, too.
"Terrabyte & nin1000 - BETRAY
versus
Retro - BETRAY"
Also, this was a shitty move, basically confirming you're scum, Retro. Getting Terra and Nin through, even though it would result in a loss for both of them, would get us two confirmed neutrals in the escapees. Granted, I don't know who else would have escaped, but the probability would have been slim.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 10, 2016 11:26:39 GMT -8
Addendum to that last statement: *Assuming the real neutrals could have counter-claimed
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Post by crimsonfist on Apr 10, 2016 11:29:54 GMT -8
If me and Scrafty are scum, and we're assuming that Retro is scum due to him betraying, then Retro would have picked ally, since that would have been a scum win.
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Post by Retro on Apr 10, 2016 11:31:42 GMT -8
So first of all, I'm sorry, Nin and Terra. I wanted to push you through to the end. But early this morning, (after the day ended,) I read this again: Anyway, now that I'm home, here's what it comes down to, plain and simple. If Retro is town, he has to ally. Kalor, if you reasonably believe that I am town and you are town, you should ally. Crimson, if you reasonably believe that Scrafty is town and you are town then you should ally. If the pair of Kalor/Sorian or Crimson/Scrafty is scum/scum then the only counter we have at this moment is if Retro is town and decides to choose betray instead. That's the full situation as it stands right now, probably obvious but we may as well lay the groundwork. The game comes down to Retro being town and reads on the part of Kalor and Crimson. And I thought, "Do I? No, I don't think that I do. You want me to, but that doesn't mean it's what's best for the town. Just that it's what you think is best for you." And then I realized what's been bothering me this entire time, Sorian, and it's you. You asked me to risk the entire game on this one night. (Well, you asked all of us, but as I had two people in my corner, I held the largest part of the responsibility.) If You, Scrafty, Terra, or Nin, were scum, it would have been over for the rest of us. Now, I am willing to buy that Scrafty is Town, and I'm willing to accept that Terra and Nin are the neutrals. And then there's Sorian. Sorian who looks the same whether he's town or scum. Typical Sorian. I thought it was weird the other day that you were pushing on me so hard about my betrayal, which I personally thought was common sense. But when push came to shove, what did you do? The same damn thing. Which led me to think that you were just on a witch hunt. You wanted to paint me as the bad guy, to make sure no one was watching you. And if I were to ally to prove my innocence? All the better. It's the oldest trick in magic. You put a distraction over here, and then you do the trick when no one's watching. But you know what really bothered me? Sorian, friend to all neutrals, was willing to screw over the two claimed neutrals to push through that door. They'd get through, sure, but they'd miss their win condition. And the Sorian I know, the Sorian who made me tear my hair out during Night Vale, wouldn't do that.... Unless he was on the scum team and this was his best chance at victory. Now, I could have trusted that Kalor had the sense to kick you down a couple of notches, let Nin and Terra through, and trusted that Scrafty was town. I'd probably be willing to play the odds on a Scrafty/Nin/Terra escape. But I didn't know how Kalor was going to vote, and had no way to reach him. For that matter, I don't even 100% know if Kalor is town - there are still two other scummies out there somewhere. So I had to do what I could. You might be Town, Sorian. I could be totally wrong. But I wasn't willing to risk the game on it.
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Post by Retro on Apr 10, 2016 11:34:15 GMT -8
Going to be out for the rest of the afternoon, so forgive me if I don't respond to any questions until this evening.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 10, 2016 11:36:34 GMT -8
If me and Scrafty are scum, and we're assuming that Retro is scum due to him betraying, then Retro would have picked ally, since that would have been a scum win. That would involve the ability to read each other's minds, as: "..aftwe which the scum thread is locked permanently." Scum no longer has access to each other's chats. How would they be able to coordinate actions at this point?
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Post by Sorian on Apr 10, 2016 11:47:52 GMT -8
So first of all, I'm sorry, Nin and Terra. I wanted to push you through to the end. But early this morning, (after the day ended,) I read this again: Anyway, now that I'm home, here's what it comes down to, plain and simple. If Retro is town, he has to ally. Kalor, if you reasonably believe that I am town and you are town, you should ally. Crimson, if you reasonably believe that Scrafty is town and you are town then you should ally. If the pair of Kalor/Sorian or Crimson/Scrafty is scum/scum then the only counter we have at this moment is if Retro is town and decides to choose betray instead. That's the full situation as it stands right now, probably obvious but we may as well lay the groundwork. The game comes down to Retro being town and reads on the part of Kalor and Crimson. And I thought, "Do I? No, I don't think that I do. You want me to, but that doesn't mean it's what's best for the town. Just that it's what you think is best for you." And then I realized what's been bothering me this entire time, Sorian, and it's you. You asked me to risk the entire game on this one night. (Well, you asked all of us, but as I had two people in my corner, I held the largest part of the responsibility.) If You, Scrafty, Terra, or Nin, were scum, it would have been over for the rest of us. Now, I am willing to buy that Scrafty is Town, and I'm willing to accept that Terra and Nin are the neutrals. And then there's Sorian. Sorian who looks the same whether he's town or scum. Typical Sorian. I thought it was weird the other day that you were pushing on me so hard about my betrayal, which I personally thought was common sense. But when push came to shove, what did you do? The same damn thing. Which led me to think that you were just on a witch hunt. You wanted to paint me as the bad guy, to make sure no one was watching you. And if I were to ally to prove my innocence? All the better. It's the oldest trick in magic. You put a distraction over here, and then you do the trick when no one's watching. But you know what really bothered me? Sorian, friend to all neutrals, was willing to screw over the two claimed neutrals to push through that door. They'd get through, sure, but they'd miss their win condition. And the Sorian I know, the Sorian who made me tear my hair out during Night Vale, wouldn't do that.... Unless he was on the scum team and this was his best chance at victory. Now, I could have trusted that Kalor had the sense to kick you down a couple of notches, let Nin and Terra through, and trusted that Scrafty was town. I'd probably be willing to play the odds on a Scrafty/Nin/Terra escape. But I didn't know how Kalor was going to vote, and had no way to reach him. For that matter, I don't even 100% know if Kalor is town - there are still two other scummies out there somewhere. So I had to do what I could. You might be Town, Sorian. I could be totally wrong. But I wasn't willing to risk the game on it. You write a lot about the bolded but then ignore the point that I said only a sentence later. "If the pair of Kalor/Sorian or Crimson/Scrafty is scum/scum then the only counter we have at this moment is if Retro is town and decides to choose betray instead." I outlined everything Retro, you are choosing to ignore the second point though when I say it and then re-iterate it yourself to look good. No, you are scum and this move sealed that. We both chose betray at different times but you ignore the conditions around each. This was a betrayal to get myself to 9 when the game could possibly end, you did a betrayal to boost yourself over others without any consideration of reading them. I did not think both Scrafty and I would get through but I did think Nin and Terra would. I made the choice that had the best chance of ending the game because I'm confident in myself obviously and this chance was decent odds with Scrafty. That's also cute with the friends to neutrals stuff but you are missing a point. Helping Ultra in NV had no chance of causing me to lose. We were in such a good position that even his betrayal would have led to town winning. Not the case here, trying to help Terra and Nin very much could have/will lead to our loss. Again though, it doesn't matter. The story of today is whether Launch lets Scrafty stay at 9 points or not. I'll be choosing betray because I'm not letting a player die and screw up the voting compositions.
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Post by Kalor on Apr 10, 2016 12:40:35 GMT -8
I was thinking about betraying last night but thought that if you and Sorian allied I didn't want to make you both lose points. I was going to mention I wanted to betray but I didn't realize it was a 12 hour phase. Though I should have guessed that Sorian would betray (I'm assuming this but I think it's a good assumption.) I have every intention of betraying today since that means Sorian will lose escapee status if Nin betrays, although resulting in my death. You would not die if you betray, you have 100% chance of staying alive that way and I'd rather you did, I don't want to give anyone an easier pass in coming phases because there is 8 people instead of 9. For some reason I was thinking you lost a point if both parties betrayed. I guess it didn't happen on Phase 2 when I think about it.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 10, 2016 12:41:32 GMT -8
You would not die if you betray, you have 100% chance of staying alive that way and I'd rather you did, I don't want to give anyone an easier pass in coming phases because there is 8 people instead of 9. For some reason I was thinking you lost a point if both parties betrayed. I guess it didn't happen on Phase 2 when I think about it. In the current scenario, I would lose a point because I am at 9, you remain the same.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 10, 2016 12:49:49 GMT -8
Sorian, launch, help me, please!
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 10, 2016 12:54:57 GMT -8
Sorian, launch, help me, please! How can Sorian help you?
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Apr 10, 2016 12:56:07 GMT -8
Sorian, launch, help me, please! How can Sorian help you? By stopping Nin.. Somehow... He can't can he?
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 10, 2016 12:58:27 GMT -8
How can Sorian help you? By stopping Nin.. Somehow... He can't can he? Oh lol Hmm only if all of those Ally. Me, I can't. Please understand.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 10, 2016 13:10:38 GMT -8
Actually, they just can't stop him lol
Sorry Terra, but I'll be ok if they all Ally as long as Scrafty doesn't win.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 10, 2016 13:25:06 GMT -8
I'm not sure what you are worried about? Nin obviously isn't getting to 9 unless Kalor is fine dying.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 10, 2016 13:27:12 GMT -8
I'm not sure what you are worried about? Nin obviously isn't getting to 9 unless Kalor is fine dying. Is there a reason he shouldn't be ok with dying?
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Post by Sorian on Apr 10, 2016 13:35:27 GMT -8
I'm not sure what you are worried about? Nin obviously isn't getting to 9 unless Kalor is fine dying. Is there a reason he shouldn't be ok with dying? Theoretically, no, but if the game keeps going for whatever reason then we will have days where there are 1v1 votes which I think would be sub optimal. Since there would be no check/balance in a scum vs scum vote.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 10, 2016 13:37:07 GMT -8
Is there a reason he shouldn't be ok with dying? Theoretically, no, but if the game keeps going for whatever reason then we will have days where there are 1v1 votes which I think would be sub optimal. Since there would be no check/balance in a scum vs scum vote. Are you ok with Scrafty, Nin, and you winning?
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Post by Sorian on Apr 10, 2016 13:42:56 GMT -8
Theoretically, no, but if the game keeps going for whatever reason then we will have days where there are 1v1 votes which I think would be sub optimal. Since there would be no check/balance in a scum vs scum vote. Are you ok with Scrafty, Nin, and you winning? I'm not sold on Scrafty completely but I already went through this thought process yesterday and I was ok with her being in the final group. So yes to the question. I'm voting ally regardless because that's my best interest no matter what. Kalor is the real deciding factor here and then what you do of course.
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