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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:07:21 GMT -8
Ohhhhhhhhh, is that what this whole gambit was supposed to be about? Ridli, bro, you need to pay attention more (so do your teammates if you're scum). I've already said I never visited the dead thread. It seemed likely when you "died", considering there was a spirit theme. If i'm wrong, i'm wrong, but it makes a lot of sense to me that your selfishness and shortsightedness wasted your ability. It also seems likely that someone isn't paying attention. I was pretty clear:
Does anyone buy the idea that Sorian was in the fucking dead thread, gained knowledge, and was let back into the game? I've never claimed that I was in the dead thread by the way. Other people brought that up. I'm just not allowed to talk about what actually happened so I'm letting your imaginations run wild. I would prefer that you all scum hunt instead of worrying about what I was doing while I was dead so that I can participate more.
Scummy or not that I had people drop the topic because I hate tip-toeing, I even hinted that dead thread was off base even earlier:
BTW, with Sorian returning to us, I think us not getting a role pm was specific to him, I think we will get role pm's for other deaths. Correct Actually, if Sorian had access to the dead thread, and he came back today, he's a fucking idiot Barring other magic I'm probably unaware of Or Sorian is bs'ing his "special knowledge" 'cuz he could be scum Forget anyone else, he's making himself into the ideal night target is he IS town Eh, I wouldn't call me a fucking idiot. There's a bit more here than you are guessing at. I wouldn't complain about being a night target though. My second death gets a bit more interesting. As for the selfish and short-sighted aspect, I see that you've realized that the power basically had to be executed day 1 especially once I got it. I guess Pop could have gotten away with waiting until day 2 but I would not have been able to. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 8:08:19 GMT -8
Thats probably a good point about whether it was wasted or not, but the same argument applies to any alignment he might be. So scum would have a power that thrust them into the spotlight once they hit 3 posts for what reason exactly? I'm more open to the 3rd party idea though. Sorry, i've totally given up on assuming anything is fair or balanced this game. For all i know, 5 of the deaths last night were Jesters who failed to beat Zipped. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:10:43 GMT -8
Thats probably a good point about whether it was wasted or not, but the same argument applies to any alignment he might be. So scum would have a power that thrust them into the spotlight once they hit 3 posts for what reason exactly? I'm more open to the 3rd party idea though. As difficult as 3rd party win conditions are already (much harder than scum's usually), you really think it's more likely for a neutral to be thrust into the spotlight and a scum wasn't? I know I'm town but that's all well and good without definitive proof but I can at least point out that throwing a neutral to the dogs on day 1 would be extremely cruel of a game runner. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 8:12:18 GMT -8
It seemed likely when you "died", considering there was a spirit theme. If i'm wrong, i'm wrong, but it makes a lot of sense to me that your selfishness and shortsightedness wasted your ability. That's enough, luv. If he's telling the truth about his ability then he did the best he bloody could (look at how much discussion was devoted to his death yesterday; it certainly would have been even more had he simply stayed quiet) and every time you try to grasp for another straw it simply makes you look like more of a ruffian. It's likely that you're going to be voted off today barring some earthshaking revelation and if you want to change that you need to give us reasons beyond "I have exclusive knowledge on an ever-shifting role." I must say that Nin's absence is irking me quite a bit though, and he's certainly going to be the subject of my inquiry tomorrow if he's still alive. I gave up on survival when the medium bussed me. Now im just seeing who else wants to bury a townie. Welcome to the list and you can fuck off about my info changing. Its been the same from the start. I don't appreciate outright lies from stuff i've posted here. I still think you're a townie though right now. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:13:07 GMT -8
So scum would have a power that thrust them into the spotlight once they hit 3 posts for what reason exactly? I'm more open to the 3rd party idea though. Sorry, i've totally given up on assuming anything is fair or balanced this game. For all i know, 5 of the deaths last night were Jesters who failed to beat Zipped. First thing you've said all morning that has made more sense. Unfortunately, Zipped's role PM seems to indicate that he was just regular town and no special jester role and god help us if the flips that we are getting are just lies lol. A bunch of jesters competing would have been hilarious though.
I know your post was sarcasm, I wasn't actually entertaining the idea past "hah, that would have been funny" |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 13, 2016 8:14:57 GMT -8
Sorian, can you paraphrase your role PM for us
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Post by Kawl on Jan 13, 2016 8:15:05 GMT -8
So scum would have a power that thrust them into the spotlight once they hit 3 posts for what reason exactly? I'm more open to the 3rd party idea though. As difficult as 3rd party win conditions are already (much harder than scum's usually), you really think it's more likely for a neutral to be thrust into the spotlight and a scum wasn't? I know I'm town but that's all well and good without definitive proof but I can at least point out that throwing a neutral to the dogs on day 1 would be extremely cruel of a game runner. Well I've seen outed neutrals last much longer than outed scum in HP (...crab not withstanding) so I think being outed as 3rd party isn't always immediately game over, versus when scum is outed. But I do think a role like that is more likely to be town than other alignments. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:15:58 GMT -8
Sorian, can you paraphrase your role PM for us I could paraphrase parts but no, I'm not role claiming. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 8:16:27 GMT -8
Sorry, i've totally given up on assuming anything is fair or balanced this game. For all i know, 5 of the deaths last night were Jesters who failed to beat Zipped. First thing you've said all morning that has made more sense. Unfortunately, Zipped's role PM seems to indicate that he was just regular town and no special jester role and god help us if the flips that we are getting are just lies lol. A bunch of jesters competing would have been hilarious though.
I know your post was sarcasm, I wasn't actually entertaining the idea past "hah, that would have been funny" Nah I get it. Theres a chance you're just acting out of ignorance like a lot of the others. I'm not really upset cause I understand how insane it all sounds. I just worry that you are deliberately guiding the conversation away from your own secrets. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 8:17:23 GMT -8
Well, i worry about that for everyone voting me, but you more than others.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 13, 2016 8:17:33 GMT -8
We've already had a townie with an anti town role, why not a scum with an anti scum role? Throw you into the spotlight day 1 and see how you deal with it. Just speculating right now, but I maybe see it as a possibility.
And on the neutral win condition point, I'll reference Blarg in FF again. A fairly public neutral role who lasted pretty much all game without even suspicion.
And your story it just all over the place now ridli. If you'd been a bit more consistent then maybe I'd have an easier time buying it, but going from the ordinary role claim to the kind of but not really medium claim to an anti sorian gambit?
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Post by Bombay on Jan 13, 2016 8:18:16 GMT -8
Fucking put what you can and will into words and stop being difficult
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:20:31 GMT -8
We've already had a townie with an anti town role, why not a scum with an anti scum role? Throw you into the spotlight day 1 and see how you deal with it. Just speculating right now, but I maybe see it as a possibility. And on the neutral win condition point, I'll reference Blarg in FF again. A fairly public neutral role who lasted pretty much all game without even suspicion.And your story it just all over the place now ridli. If you'd been a bit more consistent then maybe I'd have an easier time buying it, but going from the ordinary role claim to the kind of but not really medium claim to an anti sorian gambit? Just for the bolded portion. Do you honestly think someone else could have skated by so long if they had gotten that role?
As for the first paragraph, that's not really how you balance game. Negative utility on one side doesn't automatically mean negative utility on the other side. Just judging from Zipped's role, town needed negative utility to counter act other strong roles on the town side. Scum being smaller than the town team would mean the other scum roles would have to be high high powered to even consider putting in a negative utility scum.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 13, 2016 8:20:31 GMT -8
If you had additional role information, that was your chance to hide it. Apparently you're not that afraid of going out tonight, tho?
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Post by Bombay on Jan 13, 2016 8:24:32 GMT -8
Can anything Ridli says be proven in time? Can we swerve and hit someone else today?
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 8:25:14 GMT -8
I did from the start. I was offered a medium role with downsides. I am/was withholding some downsides(miller) to verify medium if they claimed today. I'm 90% sure they're not, so I am letting you know they're a miller to give them more believability when they do claim. I am withholding more info as well, but only because it will strictly help scum/neutrals.
I have no other information to drop. Sorian's tunnel vision this is extremely worrisome to me, so i'm posting about that so town can pursue it after i die. You're all underestimating the amount of bullshit in this game.
That's it.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:25:18 GMT -8
If you had additional role information, that was your chance to hide it. Apparently you're not that afraid of going out tonight, tho? Is this to me? No, I'm not afraid of going out tonight. I'm also not afraid of being lynched. If I die then I die. We can all just take it from there. I'm not going to accidently hint at something because you want to hear pieces of my role, get out of here with that non-sense. I don't claim for funsies, I gave information that was already public (my death and the circumstances around it) and important information that I learned from my death. If you think I'm more suspect than ridli then vote for me but I see no reason to give more information about my role, even flavor, at this time. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 8:25:56 GMT -8
That was meant to quote bombay.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:27:03 GMT -8
That was meant to quote bombay. Pretty sure he was talking to me there? Your response doubles as a fair answer to Crimson's question though. |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 13, 2016 8:29:14 GMT -8
I got some questions for you, Sorian
Is the information that you're not able to provide us linked at all with your second death, i.e. if you die again can you reveal more information?
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 8:29:25 GMT -8
That was meant to quote bombay. Pretty sure he was talking to me there? Your response doubles as a fair answer to Crimson's question though. Oh maybe. Either way, it's probably helpful to have one concise post here for anyone catching up. What time cst is deadline? I gotta get to work. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:30:11 GMT -8
Pretty sure he was talking to me there? Your response doubles as a fair answer to Crimson's question though. Oh maybe. Either way, it's probably helpful to have one concise post here for anyone catching up. What time cst is deadline? I gotta get to work. 5.5 hours from this post. |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 13, 2016 8:31:35 GMT -8
I had a hunch you'd be afraid to paraphrase your role text. I still think you are full of it.
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 13, 2016 8:32:25 GMT -8
I had a hunch you'd be afraid to paraphrase your role text. I still think you are full of it. I have a theory about what is role is, and if I'm right, paraphrasing any of it might cause some issues |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:32:46 GMT -8
I got some questions for you, Sorian Is the information that you're not able to provide us linked at all with your second death, i.e. if you die again can you reveal more information? To be more clear, Darryl sounds like he is asking for a mixture of flavor and how it links into my role and the powers that I've displayed. So to keep the record straight, I am, myself, refusing this request. I could answer him but I am choosing not to.
To answer your actual question though, no, I don't think my posting restriction will be changing at all.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:34:05 GMT -8
I had a hunch you'd be afraid to paraphrase your role text. I still think you are full of it. That's fine, can you tell me who out of myself or Ridli you think is more likely to be scum? I get the feeling that I may have to quote your answer later. |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 13, 2016 8:38:38 GMT -8
I had a hunch you'd be afraid to paraphrase your role text. I still think you are full of it. That's fine, can you tell me who out of myself or Ridli you think is more likely to be scum? I get the feeling that I may have to quote your answer later. I don't have to tell you anything apparently, which is the stance you're taking to me. Arrogant, unhelpful, with a shady roleclaim that they don't fully want to commit to |
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Post by cabot on Jan 13, 2016 8:39:49 GMT -8
Badminton tonight so not sure where I'll be for deadline. I'm putting my vote down.
VOTE: ridli
As said. I believe you've talked yourself into a point where we need to see your flip.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 13, 2016 8:40:34 GMT -8
Sorian, you've implied that if you get night killed you might come back to life. If this happens, will it be public like you first resurrection, or will we not know about it unless you tell us?
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:42:17 GMT -8
That's fine, can you tell me who out of myself or Ridli you think is more likely to be scum? I get the feeling that I may have to quote your answer later. I don't have to tell you anything apparently, which is the stance you're taking to me. Arrogant, unhelpful, with a shady roleclaim that they don't fully want to commit to That I don't want to commit to? lol ok, you all have plenty of information to hold me to. I have nothing else to say about my role. |
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