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Post by CzarTim on Jan 13, 2016 6:04:16 GMT -8
I agree medium shouldn't claim unless the cop died last night and caught scum or something.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 6:19:51 GMT -8
If the medium somehow knows for sure the alignment of the 9 people that died last night then they should 100% claim tomorrow. It doesn't matter if they are all ordinaries, that is huge information. That being said, if this is just a regular "I can talk to the dead" medium then I imagine the whole chat is going to be a bunch of he said/she said so that would make the usefulness of their ability near zero. Nothing would stop a volcano burned scum from saying "yeah, I was an alignment investigator and so-and-so was scum" If we take that at face value, all we get is a mislynch and then a ton of flak heading towards the medium on the following day.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 13, 2016 6:49:58 GMT -8
Sorry I'm a bit late to this. Anyway:
Medium? It's an odd way to fake role claim, although seeing as he's locked into normal now, I guess there's not much other way to go about it.
In this game, sure, a medium seems possible. Death seems to be a bit of a theme anyway, we've already had Sorian reviving after all.
It's just that the part about being offered a role and given the choice to turn it down just doesn't sound at all believable, unless this is related to the downsides that ridli seems reluctant to go into. It also doesn't do anything to confirm alignment one way or another, even if it was true.
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Post by ultron87 on Jan 13, 2016 6:51:37 GMT -8
There are so many points of potential failure for someone claiming Medium at this point that I would be extremely leery to use any of their info as actionable. We've got:
1) Ridli lying about the whole thing. (Which can hopefully get cleared up by his flip.)
2) Someone fake claiming Medium.
3) The alignment of the person that is the real Medium.
4) The alignment of all the dead people giving the medium info.
There are so many outs there.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 13, 2016 6:58:37 GMT -8
Besides, now we have mediums AND spirit animals as core aspects to this short game? Sorian hung his noose on spirit animals having impact on the game. If it turns out they were a red herring, I think he's scum. And I think they are just that if we have mediums and real spirits. I doubt that spirit animals are a red herring. Even if Sorian did turn out to be scum, I doubt he'd give us completely fake information which could be proven incorrect and out him. |
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Post by Kawl on Jan 13, 2016 7:03:13 GMT -8
Alright, well I fail again at making good on my word. I managed to use the advanced search for one person before the window has shifted off the screen preventing me from searching by user any more. If there is some way to bring up the advanced search options on mobile that I'm missing please let me know. Planned on looking at Crimsonfist, SquidyJ, and Ultron as well as Czartim.
So like I said I'm not going to do a post summary for these reads like my day 1 lists as the number of players is more managable and I feel we have a better ratio of active contributors.
After looking through all of Tim's posts I feel better about him. Through both days he's been pretty consistent in constantly pushing people, trying to get people to speak up and provide some reads, calling out especially people he feels are just coasting versus just commenting on the big active topics of the moment. He also provides pretty good logic/arguments for most of his positions that I can see. Seems to be actively hunting in other words.
In addition to that his weirdly super aggro push on Blarg that lasted all day seems like something scum may have backed off of after the big amount of push back he was getting. He also got into it pretty hard with LoC. I imagine some scum would try to avoid getting into it with a town person like that for no reason on day 1. He doesn't seem worried about ruffling feathers/having different and disliked opinions. Very much not blending.
Two little things stuck out to me as a bit strange which are his jumping on Crimsonfist for saying Kalor should full claim super early (the way I read CFs post is saying that if it gets close to day end or hammer and its apparent he is going to be lynched he should claim, preferably more than 10 minutes out which is maybe a bit odd but not worth harping on for several days) and the fact that he seemed less upset over our double vanilla townie claims in day 2 than he was with the soft claims in day 1. We have two out and out claims here but it was the soft claims on day 1 that made him post "frustrated with town is a bad look" post.
But these are outweighed by the positive I saw, so I'm leaning town on Tim for now.
Still don't like Nin for his shifting goal posts on Scrafty, still don't like Scrafty but I need to review her posts again, and think something is definitely up with Ridli.
At this point any claim saving him wouldn't be about saving him in particular but about saving town a wasted lynch. But I think utility of a medium outweighs that benefit. Plus I just think he's lying.
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 13, 2016 7:18:48 GMT -8
Alright, well I fail again at making good on my word. I managed to use the advanced search for one person before the window has shifted off the screen preventing me from searching by user any more. If there is some way to bring up the advanced search options on mobile that I'm missing please let me know. Planned on looking at Crimsonfist, SquidyJ, and Ultron as well as Czartim. [a href="http://gafia.boards.net/thread/168/volcano-island-kneel-before-god?filters[]=post_created_by%3Aeq%3A33&filters[]=post_created_by%3Aeq%3A38&filters[]=post_created_by%3Aeq%3A92&filters[]=post_created_by%3Aeq%3A94"]Does this link work?[/a] |
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 13, 2016 7:21:07 GMT -8
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 13, 2016 7:27:36 GMT -8
There are so many points of potential failure for someone claiming Medium at this point that I would be extremely leery to use any of their info as actionable. We've got: 1) Ridli lying about the whole thing. (Which can hopefully get cleared up by his flip.) 2) Someone fake claiming Medium. 3) The alignment of the person that is the real Medium. 4) The alignment of all the dead people giving the medium info.There are so many outs there. Yeah, this would be the biggest problem with information gotten from a medium. A dead scum could basically claim cop and get a towny lynched probably directly followed by the medium getting lynched himself, getting rid of 2 townies for scum and wasting 2 days for us. It will probably be possible to figure out if point 2 and 3 are happening, and point 1 will become clear automatically, but point 4? That will be way harder. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 7:31:01 GMT -8
This link works but I can't tell what you searched by. I see posts from Tim, Crimson, and Ultra (and some others) and I don't see a common link in the posts themselves. |
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Post by Kawl on Jan 13, 2016 7:34:07 GMT -8
Think it's all the posts by the people I mentioned from day start. Which is awesome, thanks bud. I typically look at people one at a time for the entirety of the game but this will give me something to review for now, so thanks.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 13, 2016 7:35:00 GMT -8
Oh it's just in by most recent order, and includes all posts, excellent. Thanks!
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 7:35:29 GMT -8
Oh, got it. No more excuses then Kawl  |
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Post by Kawl on Jan 13, 2016 7:37:12 GMT -8
You got meh. #excuses #scumtell
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 7:40:48 GMT -8
There are so many points of potential failure for someone claiming Medium at this point that I would be extremely leery to use any of their info as actionable. We've got: 1) Ridli lying about the whole thing. (Which can hopefully get cleared up by his flip.) 2) Someone fake claiming Medium. 3) The alignment of the person that is the real Medium. 4) The alignment of all the dead people giving the medium info. There are so many outs there. Lol, it gets worse. One of the downsides is that it makes you a miller. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 7:45:40 GMT -8
There are so many points of potential failure for someone claiming Medium at this point that I would be extremely leery to use any of their info as actionable. We've got: 1) Ridli lying about the whole thing. (Which can hopefully get cleared up by his flip.) 2) Someone fake claiming Medium. 3) The alignment of the person that is the real Medium. 4) The alignment of all the dead people giving the medium info. There are so many outs there. Lol, it gets worse. One of the downsides is that it makes you a miller. 
It's amazing that you are drip feeding information and each new revelation is just so conveniently bad for town. I thought you weren't going to tell us the downsides because that might hurt the person later when really, claiming miller as early as possible would only help the other person.
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 7:46:02 GMT -8
Sorry I'm a bit late to this. Anyway: Medium? It's an odd way to fake role claim, although seeing as he's locked into normal now, I guess there's not much other way to go about it. In this game, sure, a medium seems possible. Death seems to be a bit of a theme anyway, we've already had Sorian reviving after all. It's just that the part about being offered a role and given the choice to turn it down just doesn't sound at all believable, unless this is related to the downsides that ridli seems reluctant to go into. It also doesn't do anything to confirm alignment one way or another, even if it was true. Announcing the other weaknesses definitely weakens the role IMO. I felt like being a miller in my first GAF game was not something i wanted to deal with. I would have been stuck claiming it right away and arguing about millers is fucking boring and repetitive. |
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 13, 2016 7:47:26 GMT -8
Think it's all the posts by the people I mentioned from day start. Which is awesome, thanks bud. I typically look at people one at a time for the entirety of the game but this will give me something to review for now, so thanks. Yup. I took all four. I'm on mobile now and can't change it, but if you add ridli to any search you get a better idea of the context. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 7:47:32 GMT -8
Oh, this miller claim portion is just so you can retroactively give a better reason for turning down the role, got it.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 13, 2016 7:53:10 GMT -8
Honestly I'm expecting something along the lines of "And also if you get NK'd or lynched, town automagically loses. So that's another reason I turned it down." soon.
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 7:54:17 GMT -8
Lol, it gets worse. One of the downsides is that it makes you a miller.
It's amazing that you are drip feeding information and each new revelation is just so conveniently bad for town. I thought you weren't going to tell us the downsides because that might hurt the person later when really, claiming miller as early as possible would only help the other person.
I was saving it to confirm they weren't lying if someone did claim it today, but I'm pretty sure they've already posted and are letting me get lynched. I don't blame them. Mostly i'm excited to see you get roasted tomorrow. Ill have a gigantic i told you so premade post done in your honor. If you're town, I'm pretty sure you squandered your role by wasting it when there was nobody in the dead thread to visit. Since im fairly positive the medium is town, it makes me think you're a weaker neutral or scum version. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 7:57:13 GMT -8
Oh, this miller claim portion is just so you can retroactively give a better reason for turning down the role, got it. You are so dense it's amazing. If i spill all info, i have no ways to verify a claimant. Im still withholding a bit too. You know you're fucked tomorrow right? He's going to claim scum would never be this bold but don't let him get away with it. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 7:58:06 GMT -8
It's amazing that you are drip feeding information and each new revelation is just so conveniently bad for town. I thought you weren't going to tell us the downsides because that might hurt the person later when really, claiming miller as early as possible would only help the other person.
I was saving it to confirm they weren't lying if someone did claim it today, but I'm pretty sure they've already posted and are letting me get lynched. I don't blame them. Mostly i'm excited to see you get roasted tomorrow. Ill have a gigantic i told you so premade post done in your honor. If you're town, I'm pretty sure you squandered your role by wasting it when there was nobody in the dead thread to visit. Since im fairly positive the medium is town, it makes me think you're a weaker neutral or scum version.Ohhhhhhhhh, is that what this whole gambit was supposed to be about? Ridli, bro, you need to pay attention more (so do your teammates if you're scum). I've already said I never visited the dead thread. |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 13, 2016 8:00:10 GMT -8
It's amazing that you are drip feeding information and each new revelation is just so conveniently bad for town. I thought you weren't going to tell us the downsides because that might hurt the person later when really, claiming miller as early as possible would only help the other person.
I was saving it to confirm they weren't lying if someone did claim it today, but I'm pretty sure they've already posted and are letting me get lynched. I don't blame them. Mostly i'm excited to see you get roasted tomorrow. Ill have a gigantic i told you so premade post done in your honor. If you're town, I'm pretty sure you squandered your role by wasting it when there was nobody in the dead thread to visit. Since im fairly positive the medium is town, it makes me think you're a weaker neutral or scum version. Uuuuh, what else should he have done? It would activate after posting three times according to him. Post a maximum of two times on day 1? If you know sorian, you know that would be literally impossible for him, not even counting everyone would find it super suspicious. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 8:00:54 GMT -8
I was saving it to confirm they weren't lying if someone did claim it today, but I'm pretty sure they've already posted and are letting me get lynched. I don't blame them. Mostly i'm excited to see you get roasted tomorrow. Ill have a gigantic i told you so premade post done in your honor. If you're town, I'm pretty sure you squandered your role by wasting it when there was nobody in the dead thread to visit. Since im fairly positive the medium is town, it makes me think you're a weaker neutral or scum version.Ohhhhhhhhh, is that what this whole gambit was supposed to be about? Ridli, bro, you need to pay attention more (so do your teammates if you're scum). I've already said I never visited the dead thread. It seemed likely when you "died", considering there was a spirit theme. If i'm wrong, i'm wrong, but it makes a lot of sense to me that your selfishness and shortsightedness wasted your ability. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:02:02 GMT -8
Oh, this miller claim portion is just so you can retroactively give a better reason for turning down the role, got it. You are so dense it's amazing. If i spill all info, i have no ways to verify a claimant. Im still withholding a bit too. You know you're fucked tomorrow right? He's going to claim scum would never be this bold but don't let him get away with it. 
I apologize, this is all so silly and I know I'm being smug about it. This drip fed "role claim" is the most ridiculous thing ever and has clearly gone past any semblance of sense. If this is actually true then I'll feel very played but this chain of events reads of caught scum stirring the pot
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 8:02:19 GMT -8
I was saving it to confirm they weren't lying if someone did claim it today, but I'm pretty sure they've already posted and are letting me get lynched. I don't blame them. Mostly i'm excited to see you get roasted tomorrow. Ill have a gigantic i told you so premade post done in your honor. If you're town, I'm pretty sure you squandered your role by wasting it when there was nobody in the dead thread to visit. Since im fairly positive the medium is town, it makes me think you're a weaker neutral or scum version. Uuuuh, what else should he have done? It would activate after posting three times according to him. Post a maximum of two times on day 1? If you know sorian, you know that would be literally impossible for him, not even counting everyone would find it super suspicious. Thats probably a good point about whether it was wasted or not, but the same argument applies to any alignment he might be. |
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Post by Kawl on Jan 13, 2016 8:05:09 GMT -8
Uuuuh, what else should he have done? It would activate after posting three times according to him. Post a maximum of two times on day 1? If you know sorian, you know that would be literally impossible for him, not even counting everyone would find it super suspicious. Thats probably a good point about whether it was wasted or not, but the same argument applies to any alignment he might be. So scum would have a power that thrust them into the spotlight once they hit 3 posts for what reason exactly? I'm more open to the 3rd party idea though. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 8:06:38 GMT -8
You are so dense it's amazing. If i spill all info, i have no ways to verify a claimant. Im still withholding a bit too. You know you're fucked tomorrow right? He's going to claim scum would never be this bold but don't let him get away with it.
I apologize, this is all so silly and I know I'm being smug about it. This drip fed "role claim" is the most ridiculous thing ever and has clearly gone past any semblance of sense. If this is actually true then I'll feel very played but this chain of events reads of caught scum stirring the pot
I would bet you anything that it's true. Tag bet, ban bet, cash bet. We can do the classic shaved head! RetroMG knows me and can vouch that I'm good for it(and that i'm not already shaved bald or some other trick). Overall though, I think tomorrow will be plenty satisfying. Town cannnot afford to let you continue misleading them tomorrow. |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Jan 13, 2016 8:07:20 GMT -8
Ohhhhhhhhh, is that what this whole gambit was supposed to be about? Ridli, bro, you need to pay attention more (so do your teammates if you're scum). I've already said I never visited the dead thread. It seemed likely when you "died", considering there was a spirit theme. If i'm wrong, i'm wrong, but it makes a lot of sense to me that your selfishness and shortsightedness wasted your ability. That's enough, luv. If he's telling the truth about his ability then he did the best he bloody could (look at how much discussion was devoted to his death yesterday; it certainly would have been even more had he simply stayed quiet) and every time you try to grasp for another straw it simply makes you look like more of a ruffian. It's likely that you're going to be voted off today barring some earthshaking revelation and if you want to change that you need to give us reasons beyond "I have exclusive knowledge on an ever-shifting role." I must say that Nin's absence is irking me quite a bit though, and he's certainly going to be the subject of my inquiry tomorrow if he's still alive. |
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