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Post by Bombay on Jan 13, 2016 8:42:47 GMT -8
I had a hunch you'd be afraid to paraphrase your role text. I still think you are full of it. I have a theory about what is role is, and if I'm right, paraphrasing any of it might cause some issues If it's become obvious for you, what makes you think scum hasn't figured it out? Creating this shroud of mystery is actively harmful to town. Although I'm pretty well aware that Sorian will act unhelpful to town at a whim, as I truly believe he finds himself to be not only literally Jesus Christ (the role), but figuritively as well, as he needs to be the one to personally be our savior |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 8:46:25 GMT -8
I have a theory about what is role is, and if I'm right, paraphrasing any of it might cause some issues If it's become obvious for you, what makes you think scum hasn't figured it out? Creating this shroud of mystery is actively harmful to town. Although I'm pretty well aware that Sorian will act unhelpful to town at a whim, as I truly believe he finds himself to be not only literally Jesus Christ (the role), but figuritively as well, as he needs to be the one to personally be our savior Or harmful to worried scum? But let's ignore that possibility right Darryl 
Sorian, you've implied that if you get night killed you might come back to life. If this happens, will it be public like you first resurrection, or will we not know about it unless you tell us?
It'll be pretty apparent what happened, I won't need to say anything about it.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 13, 2016 8:54:03 GMT -8
Ok thanks.
My thoughts on Sorian are that I'm a bit worried about giving him a completely free pass, but there's a few ways that his role can be verified: he mentioned that other people might get access to the information he's seen throughout the game, and he might get night killed. I don't consider the information he's given us turning out to be true to be proof, because scum could just as easily have known that. As he's the most active person right now, and the fact that if it wasn't for his resurrection I'd probably read him as town, I'm against lynching him right now.
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 13, 2016 9:17:18 GMT -8
I feel like ridli's actions today have let nin off the hook. You're the worst, nin. Eh, we can only take care of one player at a time via lynch. Nin has been silent but hasn't damned himself. I do believe he is now the quietest player in the game though, even Trigger and Dusk have popped in more recently. Yeah, I am usually a lot more active though. I am actively reading through all of this but I cannot make my mind up over all this. That ridii claim sure was damming for him. I don't believe him for the moment but will await further posts from him. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 9:22:47 GMT -8
Eh, we can only take care of one player at a time via lynch. Nin has been silent but hasn't damned himself. I do believe he is now the quietest player in the game though, even Trigger and Dusk have popped in more recently. Yeah, I am usually a lot more active though. I am actively reading through all of this but I cannot make my mind up over all this. That ridii claim sure was damming for him. I don't believe him for the moment but will await further posts from him. This sounds worse than what I was expecting. So it's not even a case of being busy? You are just watching and purposely not commenting? |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 13, 2016 9:31:06 GMT -8
Yeah, drip feed claims like this are always suspect, I especially didn't like how he just threw out the Miller part at random like it was no big deal. I really do think we should lynch Ridli today, or else this discussion will just go on tomorrow, and his lynch would at least give us something concrete to work with (hopefully). He seems to really be gunning for Sorian right now, but if he flips scum we probably should ignore that since it is pretty clear he will be the lynch target today and everything a scum that is certain of being lynched says is very dangerous to look to much into. You will just get into an WIFOY situation that way.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 13, 2016 9:38:01 GMT -8
jesus I don't understand why a supposed townie would hijack the thread like this
even if everything he is saying is true (lol) he revealed it in the most unhelpful way possible.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 13, 2016 9:42:06 GMT -8
It's still not a LoC voter, which is probably our best bet :/
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 13, 2016 9:43:55 GMT -8
If we swerve and hit town, we'll just end up back here tomorrow.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 9:44:58 GMT -8
It's still not a LoC voter, which is probably our best bet :/ Real curiosity, do you have someone in mind from the LoC voters? I think town and scum alike would have went for the bait that LoC was throwing out there so just being an LoC voter doesn't mean much by itself. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 9:47:12 GMT -8
Yeah, drip feed claims like this are always suspect, I especially didn't like how he just threw out the Miller part at random like it was no big deal. I really do think we should lynch Ridli today, or else this discussion will just go on tomorrow, and his lynch would at least give us something concrete to work with (hopefully). He seems to really be gunning for Sorian right now, but if he flips scum we probably should ignore that since it is pretty clear he will be the lynch target today and everything a scum that is certain of being lynched says is very dangerous to look to much into. You will just get into an WIFOY situation that way. Even I can admit that Scum!Ridli's feelings on me don't really mean much. He was gunning for me yesterday, then cooled on me early this day phase, and went right back against me quickly when things were looking bleak. From my perspective it looked like he was trying to buddy up with me early today hoping that I would drop the push but you all can't see that without knowing 100% what my alignment is. |
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Post by Mazre on Jan 13, 2016 9:52:51 GMT -8
Likely busy at days end. Opinion on ridli hasn't improved.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 13, 2016 9:56:23 GMT -8
If ridli flips ordinary townie, we'll have confirmation of a roaming miller medium with other downsides (lol) and lose a distracting player. That's like the worst case here.
If he flips scum, we go from there.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 10:00:50 GMT -8
I'm a little sketchy on one detail and it might as well be cleared up on the off chance this whole miller medium non-sense is true.
Ridli, are you claiming that this power roams until someone says yes and then they are this medium for the rest of the game? Or are you claiming that the power roams each night, if you say yes then you have the power that day and next night it roams to give someone else the choice?
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 10:06:59 GMT -8
I'm certain it doesn't change every night. It MIGHT switch when they die, but the PM didn't cover that. I suspect it will because it seems like a key role that will be rigged to stay in play.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 10:08:26 GMT -8
I'm certain it doesn't change every night. It MIGHT switch when they die, but the PM didn't cover that. I suspect it will because it seems like a key role that will be rigged to stay in play. And this was all done before the game start? This wasn't something that began after day 1 started? |
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Post by Coppanuva on Jan 13, 2016 10:11:19 GMT -8
If ridli flips ordinary townie, we'll have confirmation of a roaming miller medium with other downsides (lol) and lose a distracting player. That's like the worst case here. If he flips scum, we go from there. Hmm... hadn't thought of it that way. I'm willing to try this then, if we were choosing between Ridli and Sorian (the 2 who've had the most recent pressure applied) , I think we'll gain more useful information from Ridli than Sorian. If he flips town, we can believe the role exists, if he flips scum it's more likely to be bullshit. Right now that seems like the most clear course of action. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 10:13:28 GMT -8
Ugh, more people lynching for information instead of thinking the target is scum or otherwise a hindrance. This is how I started down this path on ridli.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jan 13, 2016 10:18:57 GMT -8
Ugh, more people lynching for information instead of thinking the target is scum or otherwise a hindrance. This is how I started down this path on ridli. While I agree with your point, I do want to point out that we just had a lot of people die and no role PMs, can you blame them? |
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Post by Coppanuva on Jan 13, 2016 10:22:51 GMT -8
Ugh, more people lynching for information instead of thinking the target is scum or otherwise a hindrance. This is how I started down this path on ridli. I mean, we also have the whole hindrance issue here too. Unless someone comes out and specifically confirms what Ridli said, it's going to be constantly brought up. We have 2 day phases, scum just needs to halt conversation and keep it contained on one topic for 12 hours and that's a quarter of the phase eaten up easily. It's like me in Cthulhu, town or not I had to go because it was too easy for people to continually bring me up and detracted from conversation. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 10:24:42 GMT -8
I'm certain it doesn't change every night. It MIGHT switch when they die, but the PM didn't cover that. I suspect it will because it seems like a key role that will be rigged to stay in play. And this was all done before the game start? This wasn't something that began after day 1 started? Lol, I joined rather rapidly but yes, my offer and decline were before Day 1 officially started. We seem to clearly have a majority willing to lynch me, and i keep procrastinating on here, but can we just end this? I can't see town gaining anything by drawing this out. To the medium, you're a jerk, but i dont blame you. Can i vote for myself? Vote: Ridli |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 13, 2016 10:29:05 GMT -8
We've already had a townie with an anti town role, why not a scum with an anti scum role? Throw you into the spotlight day 1 and see how you deal with it. Just speculating right now, but I maybe see it as a possibility. And on the neutral win condition point, I'll reference Blarg in FF again. A fairly public neutral role who lasted pretty much all game without even suspicion.And your story it just all over the place now ridli. If you'd been a bit more consistent then maybe I'd have an easier time buying it, but going from the ordinary role claim to the kind of but not really medium claim to an anti sorian gambit? Just for the bolded portion. Do you honestly think someone else could have skated by so long if they had gotten that role?
As for the first paragraph, that's not really how you balance game. Negative utility on one side doesn't automatically mean negative utility on the other side. Just judging from Zipped's role, town needed negative utility to counter act other strong roles on the town side. Scum being smaller than the town team would mean the other scum roles would have to be high high powered to even consider putting in a negative utility scum.
The only thing suspicious about the whole dying and coming back thing was how you've reacted. It isn't negative utility, comparable to a miller. |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 13, 2016 10:31:47 GMT -8
It's still not a LoC voter, which is probably our best bet :/ Real curiosity, do you have someone in mind from the LoC voters? I think town and scum alike would have went for the bait that LoC was throwing out there so just being an LoC voter doesn't mean much by itself. Let's kill any of them. I like Squidyj. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 13, 2016 10:34:08 GMT -8
Oh. Top town is Roy, Bomb. Coppa and Cornb as well. Top scum, or at least anti-town are Sorian, Terra, Dusk. Top policy lynches we should have done Day 1 are Nin, Trigger.
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Post by triggergaf on Jan 13, 2016 10:35:34 GMT -8
Vote: ridli
A pressure vote on someone else would be wasted at this point. I'm fine with moving on. We'll have more to discuss the next day.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 10:35:57 GMT -8
It's still not a LoC voter, which is probably our best bet :/ Real curiosity, do you have someone in mind from the LoC voters? I think town and scum alike would have went for the bait that LoC was throwing out there so just being an LoC voter doesn't mean much by itself. Nah, I'm not ready to waste daylight yet. This question is still open for Darryl if nothing else. Any time is precious for discussion and though you are the main meat for today, there is nothing stopping discussion on other topics. For all we know, there could be a ton of death again tonight. People should get their feelings out there on the off chance they die.
Speaking of, I can as well. Nin needs to be pushed. I don't like the relative lack of activity from Nin, Dusk, Trigger, and Mazre. That is in order from most suspect to least. Nin seems to be purposely staying away from the game, that seems like more a neutral tell than anything else I've been seeing. Dusk's last post was indicative of someone who wanted to stay out of current events but at least put forth an opinion. Trigger is commenting but only pops in when she has something very pertinent to say, which is her style but is still and easy way for scum to blend. Mazre because I honestly forgot he was in the game but based on the general mis-information that ridli posted in that earlier reads list about Mazre, I would think Mazre is town if ridli is scum, so we'll see there (or they are on different scum teams).
I feel good, generally, about cabot, Kawl, and Scrafty. I would say the same about Darryl but these last few hours have changed my outlook there and I feel like a lot is dependent on this flip so I'll revisit if I'm here tomorrow. I feel pretty good about Crimson too but I feel like I gain a better read on him with ridli's flip.
From the higher activity pool, I'm still skeptical of Tim, day 1 was a horrible showing and day 2 has made up for it but I still have eyes there. Ty4on, as he pointed out as well, has basically the opposite reads that I do. That doesn't mean he is scum but I'm still watching him. Squidy is my same complaint as always, he feels like he is going with the flow. That's not necessarily a scum or town tell and is just more me pointing it out. It reminds me a lot of NX actually and he was ordinary town there. Coppa seems to be generally less helpful than he has been in past games, even serial killer Coppa from MGS seemed to have more to say and analyze.
I'm forgetting Terra but he is probably still my only null read, I don't know. If I'm forgetting anyone else (I'm sure I am) then null reads there too.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 13, 2016 10:37:01 GMT -8
Looking at Crimson:
He had a decent number of posts day 1, but a good deal of them see me pretty blendy and managed to stay out of the spotlight for the most part. He got involved with some of the discussion regarding town win conditions and also had that kind of weird post saying Kalor should full claim before being lynched. He did eventually end up town reading Kalor due to win con talk, but then proposed the idea that scum had a copy of the win condition even if there wasn't a sample pm posted.
He originally seemed to be a bit more trusting of Sorian coming off of his revival, but has since then continued to flip flop on the dude. He also flip flopped on LoC who he null read for a bit before getting scared of his lost partner bit and pushing against LoC towards the end of the day.
He voted Ridli day 1 and followed it up today largeły on the reaction Ridli had to Sorians post revival information leading CF to think rid had extra information.
He has also been one of the biggest proponents that the spirit animals have to be good for something for town. He says otherwise they will be pointless mechanics, doesn't see how knowing one of a certain hurts others, etc. whether that could be scum trying to get town to be a little more loose lipped about their animals, idk.
Overall, CF seems to be a dude who is changing and adjusting his opinions on a some people a decent amount, but sticking to his guns in terms of game mechanics. Possibly knows more about spirit animals than the rest of us?
Null/sliiiiight town read.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 10:38:45 GMT -8
Just for the bolded portion. Do you honestly think someone else could have skated by so long if they had gotten that role?
As for the first paragraph, that's not really how you balance game. Negative utility on one side doesn't automatically mean negative utility on the other side. Just judging from Zipped's role, town needed negative utility to counter act other strong roles on the town side. Scum being smaller than the town team would mean the other scum roles would have to be high high powered to even consider putting in a negative utility scum.
The only thing suspicious about the whole dying and coming back thing was how you've reacted. It isn't negative utility, comparable to a miller. Being thrust center stage is negative utility. You can say I could have just played it off as a joke but then it would have been for nothing and what would be the point of that role? Real curiosity, do you have someone in mind from the LoC voters? I think town and scum alike would have went for the bait that LoC was throwing out there so just being an LoC voter doesn't mean much by itself. Let's kill any of them. I like Squidyj. Eh, this isn't very compelling. Is your whole basis just that he was wrong on LoC? Wasn't he mostly pushing for Corn more yesterday anyway? |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 13, 2016 10:41:30 GMT -8
Do ridli's and trigger's votes put that at 8? There really is no reason to rush.
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Post by Coppanuva on Jan 13, 2016 10:43:13 GMT -8
Vote: ridliA pressure vote on someone else would be wasted at this point. I'm fine with moving on. We'll have more to discuss the next day. Do you mean turbo moving on or simply saying your vote is committed? Also for the record, I'm keeping my vote on Dusk for the moment because I need him to talk more in this game. I'm ok with Ridli going today, but I really don't like the inactivity from Dusk and it's hard to get a read on him. I will say I think it's slightly odd he commented in the middle of Ridli's reveal about the Medium role and he completely avoided it (I looked at time stamps and he commented at least 30 minutes after Ridli had revealed, which is a reasonable amount of time that I don't think the whole "The thread was moving fast!" defense makes up for). He actually hasn't had much reaction to it at all, which is odd to me. I want to look at this more tomorrow, but for now my vote is staying on him because he needs to participate more. |
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