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Post by CzarTim on Jan 12, 2016 17:00:45 GMT -8
Yeah why the fuck would there be an offer to talk to the dead before anyone died? That's my problem. And why pass on it when you can get a cool role?
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 17:02:17 GMT -8
I'm not at all assuming it can go to three factions. I literally just said that im fairly sure its town based, and probably manipulated to ensure it escaped the volcano. And i can't post a big enough L O L at your line about something in this game being unbalanced. Did you forget your own role? Did you forget the volcano? I'll make that my tag, in fact. You saying it could only go to town makes it even stronger. You're also doing a lot of assuming with saying it can only go to town and that it probably escaped the volcano. And no, what you are claiming lets a player verify someone else based on outside game knowledge. It would be like getting someone else's role PM with the name omitted. If said person claimed later, you would know they were telling the truht if the followed the general flavor. Harry Potter had that mechanic but at least it was a PR within the confines of the game. What you are claiming here is splinter saying "hey, you want this role?" "nah." "ok, I'll give it to someone else then, thanks for your time." |
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Post by ridli on Jan 12, 2016 17:05:55 GMT -8
I'm not at all assuming it can go to three factions. I literally just said that im fairly sure its town based, and probably manipulated to ensure it escaped the volcano. And i can't post a big enough L O L at your line about something in this game being unbalanced. Did you forget your own role? Did you forget the volcano? I'll make that my tag, in fact. You saying it could only go to town makes it even stronger. You're also doing a lot of assuming with saying it can only go to town and that it probably escaped the volcano. And no, what you are claiming lets a player verify someone else based on outside game knowledge. It would be like getting someone else's role PM with the name omitted. If said person claimed later, you would know they were telling the truht if the followed the general flavor. Harry Potter had that mechanic but at least it was a PR within the confines of the game. What you are claiming here is splinter saying "hey, you want this role?" "nah." "ok, I'll give it to someone else then, thanks for your time." Requoting this for Splinter and so i can refer to it again post game. Sorry we're assholes about your game balance! 9 deaths a night is totally normal but a role being confirmable is just crasaaaaazy. |
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 12, 2016 17:08:36 GMT -8
I mean if the role could go to any alignment, I don't see how knowing another role is a big deal. But it underlines an issue on why a townie would pass and risk it going into the wrong hands.
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Post by ridli on Jan 12, 2016 17:09:02 GMT -8
I'm out for a while. I will not answer questions about the downsides at all, since a clever player can manipulate part of it if it remains hidden. I've basically said everything else I can without cheating.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 17:11:44 GMT -8
You saying it could only go to town makes it even stronger. You're also doing a lot of assuming with saying it can only go to town and that it probably escaped the volcano. And no, what you are claiming lets a player verify someone else based on outside game knowledge. It would be like getting someone else's role PM with the name omitted. If said person claimed later, you would know they were telling the truht if the followed the general flavor. Harry Potter had that mechanic but at least it was a PR within the confines of the game. What you are claiming here is splinter saying "hey, you want this role?" "nah." "ok, I'll give it to someone else then, thanks for your time." Requoting this for Splinter and so i can refer to it again post game. Sorry we're assholes about your game balance! 9 deaths a night is totally normal but a role being confirmable is just crasaaaaazy. A good portion of those deaths were most likely caused by our mislynch day 1. Questionable but still fair, what you are saying? Eh, no. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 12, 2016 17:17:55 GMT -8
I'll give you that a medium sounds plausible. With the huge number of deaths, and the flavor of spirits being in the game, it seems even natural. I am only quoting this to say that this isn't so much about the presence of a medium but more about the possibility of it being a power that people could turn down and subsequently verify someone else because of that outside knowledge. Yeah. That part is the main "lol no" thing. I think Ridi panicked and tried coming up with something on his own, or with his scum team. Medium is plausible, but he already claimed ordinary. Too soon. Now he can't claim medium. So now he just says he knows about it because he passed it up. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 12, 2016 17:18:51 GMT -8
Basically I think Ridi fucked up, and claimed ordinary before even thinking about the medium. Then his only way of backpedaling was the idea of being offered the role and being able to turn it down.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 17:20:35 GMT -8
This all started by asking me a question. I think scum is trying to find a lie in my role or trying to bait me into saying something I'm not supposed to.
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Post by cornb on Jan 12, 2016 17:22:21 GMT -8
I'm not at all assuming it can go to three factions. I literally just said that im fairly sure its town based, and probably manipulated to ensure it escaped the volcano. And i can't post a big enough L O L at your line about something in this game being unbalanced. Did you forget your own role? Did you forget the volcano? I'll make that my tag, in fact. Nah. There's a difference here m8. Sorian's role is to get some additional info. Assuming he's telling the truth. It was also very public, or at least the feign death was. And it got people questioning him. The Volcano wouldn't have been as unfair had Zipped not tried to drive by on a night he was busy. Other players with his role could have at least warned town. You literally got outside information about a role's existence and power, and this advantage was not explicitly tied to your role. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 12, 2016 17:25:21 GMT -8
You saying it could only go to town makes it even stronger. You're also doing a lot of assuming with saying it can only go to town and that it probably escaped the volcano. And no, what you are claiming lets a player verify someone else based on outside game knowledge. It would be like getting someone else's role PM with the name omitted. If said person claimed later, you would know they were telling the truht if the followed the general flavor. Harry Potter had that mechanic but at least it was a PR within the confines of the game. What you are claiming here is splinter saying "hey, you want this role?" "nah." "ok, I'll give it to someone else then, thanks for your time." Requoting this for Splinter and so i can refer to it again post game. Sorry we're assholes about your game balance! 9 deaths a night is totally normal but a role being confirmable is just crasaaaaazy. Alright. Vote; ridliIf you are telling the truth, I want to know now so we can -all- be mad at Splinter. |
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Post by Splinter on Jan 12, 2016 17:31:54 GMT -8
Getting pretty feisty in here, so I guess I should warn you.
It's 1:30am, no chance I'd be posting the day end tonight.
Also I abused rule 31 earlier. Seems prudent to mention that now.
Night o7
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 17:32:34 GMT -8
Requoting this for Splinter and so i can refer to it again post game. Sorry we're assholes about your game balance! 9 deaths a night is totally normal but a role being confirmable is just crasaaaaazy. Alright. Vote; ridliIf you are telling the truth, I want to know now so we can -all- be mad at Splinter. You see the issue don't you? Regardless of ridli being scum or town, we would have no way of knowing if this was the truth or not based on his flip. It would be a constant question just like Coppa's doppelganger claim was in MGS. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 12, 2016 17:35:02 GMT -8
Getting pretty feisty in here, so I guess I should warn you. It's 1:30am, no chance I'd be posting the day end tonight. Also I abused rule 31 earlier. Seems prudent to mention that now. Night o7 For reference: What the hell does that mean? |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 17:35:45 GMT -8
He edited his post about 3 hours ago but I don't see any of the rules changed from a cursory view  |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 17:37:14 GMT -8
Nevermind, found it
"35. If a Day phase is ended early, the following Night phase will be extended. Rule 31 is great."
He mixed it in to an earlier section, no big deal so if we end the day early we still wait forever for day 3 or 11 or whatever.
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Post by ridli on Jan 12, 2016 17:37:26 GMT -8
Why does it say games, plural? Do we use the exact same rules every game? Is it cheating to compare this to a previous one?
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Post by ridli on Jan 12, 2016 17:38:02 GMT -8
Oh ok. Nm.
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Post by dusksoldier on Jan 12, 2016 17:39:33 GMT -8
VOTE: xamtheking
It's hard to gleen information from the night kills. It's too bad the volcano exploded and burned all the role PMs. Now we have virtually nothing to go on.
xamtheking is going to be my vote this round, I don't think anyone has put forth a compelling argument for which way to vote so I'm just going to put my thoughts out there.
Xam has been a fairly active participant in this thread, but I just don't feel like he's actively contributing. Each have posts have been either witty banter, play-by-play, or regurgitating something someone else has already said.
Voting has been all over the place, and mainly he's just trying to stick to whatever the majority says.
It's like he's trying to post just enough to make us think he's contributing. But he's not actually contributing anything of value.
Basically, he's not actively trying to find scum and it's shady as fuck.
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Post by ridli on Jan 12, 2016 17:41:03 GMT -8
Basically I think Ridi fucked up, and claimed ordinary before even thinking about the medium. Then his only way of backpedaling was the idea of being offered the role and being able to turn it down. I claimed ordinary because i am ordinary. I was going to keep silent about medium cause outing it seemed bad, but while I was working I realized they may not survive a claim without some confirmation. I don't really mind getting lynched. I know there's a medium i can pass reads to later, and he should be much safer doing his job now. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 12, 2016 17:47:33 GMT -8
Lynch me or not, all i ask now is not to be turbo'd, in case the medium or any similar roles want to back me up. I was hoping someone else had passed on one and could confirm me safely. Try not too waste too much more time on me though. Ill try and get one last read list done tomorrow.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 12, 2016 18:01:03 GMT -8
Sorian is lying or ridli is lying
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Post by dusksoldier on Jan 12, 2016 18:02:56 GMT -8
don't rule out the possibility that they're both lying.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 18:07:15 GMT -8
Sorian is lying or ridli is lying How do you figure that our claims are in any way connected? |
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Post by Kawl on Jan 12, 2016 18:11:22 GMT -8
I know I said I was going to get to reads this evening, but was a pretty rough day at work. Barring tomorrow morning being a shit show, I should be able to put together some meaningful review and thoughts.
I'm at least able to keep up with the going ons, and find Ridli's claim to be really bizarre. The suggestion of it being an idea that scum came up with and then fed Ridli after his ordinary doesn't really add up in my mind. If scum think that could be useful as a fake claim I doubt they would squander it on someone who is in straits these dire. And if he does end up being lynched, we find out scum-Ridli is a big fat phony and they've really not gained anything.
But dude has been acting weird all game. The psuedo hiding of experience, seeming swings in his behavior between frantic newbie town and hardened mafia vet.
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Post by cornb on Jan 12, 2016 18:12:20 GMT -8
Sorian is lying or ridli is lying How do you figure that our claims are in any way connected? Yeah, gonna need to have this explained to me. Sorian. Yes, Ridli's flip doesn't give away too much info. However if he flips scum we can likely discount the "its most likely a town role" thing he said. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 18:15:35 GMT -8
How do you figure that our claims are in any way connected? Yeah, gonna need to have this explained to me. Sorian. Yes, Ridli's flip doesn't give away too much info. However if he flips scum we can likely discount the "its most likely a town role" thing he said. The trap is the constant wonder of whether or not a medium is in the game now then and if ridli is scum but did somehow know of a medium then some are going to be skeptical of any medium claims going forward. |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 12, 2016 18:17:00 GMT -8
Sorian is lying or ridli is lying How do you figure that our claims are in any way connected? I quite simply don't believe in a game with this much BS |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 12, 2016 18:20:12 GMT -8
This will be two stupid fucking claims in a row that nobody can corroborate. In a ridiculous game with over 30 people including 9 people dying at night with no revealed role claims. People have information and aren't coming forward in anyone's defense, so I'm inclined to think the people who have came forward are full of it
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Post by Kawl on Jan 12, 2016 18:22:43 GMT -8
I'd think it more likely they are keeping the general feeling of town in mind and if they have info one way or the other would likely only speak up if it swung away from what they knew (ie. Sorian is leaning more believed than Ridli from what I've gathered of people's opinions. While its the opposite for Ridli). Not revealing unnecessary roles/info and all that.
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