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Post by Splinter on Jan 12, 2016 13:11:22 GMT -8
 Sorry, will fix |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 13:12:57 GMT -8
Sorry, will fix For the low, low price of $19.99/month, you could sign up for the Sorian Manual Vote Counting Tool. |
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Post by squidyj on Jan 12, 2016 13:19:53 GMT -8
I think leaving cornb alone for today is prudent. I'm still not sold on him but I feel that it could be more valuable to pull it into the next day phase.
As for ty. he's sort of a black hole. It hardly seems like anyone right now is paying attention to what he is doing or not doing. I decided I wanted to pay a little attention to him so as he wouldn't get too lonely.
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Post by cornb on Jan 12, 2016 13:21:27 GMT -8
Huh when did I unvote Czar?
Vote: Czartim
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Post by Splinter on Jan 12, 2016 13:21:38 GMT -8
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 13:23:06 GMT -8
Huh when did I unvote Czar? Vote: CzartimJudging from the link next to your vote, never  |
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Post by Splinter on Jan 12, 2016 13:24:36 GMT -8
Fuck it I'm making a better thingie when I've finished eating. You'll get a votecount after that |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 13:25:34 GMT -8
I think leaving cornb alone for today is prudent. I'm still not sold on him but I feel that it could be more valuable to pull it into the next day phase. As for ty. he's sort of a black hole. It hardly seems like anyone right now is paying attention to what he is doing or not doing. I decided I wanted to pay a little attention to him so as he wouldn't get too lonely. What do you think of his main reads post for the day (seems to be his most concise set of feelings from what I can see):
CzarTim is town. Squidyj also looks town. Scrafty I'm still leaning scum on. Same reason as yesterday, she doesn't seem genuine and her reads look constructed. Nin's behavior was very weird. I need to see more from him. If I die tonight I recommend looking at Scrafty. From the list of people killed Sawneeks stuck out. She was probably my top town yesterday and I didn't see anyone suspicious of her apart from Corn's vote on her. Not using this as a weapon aganst Scrafty. She just looked like a much more obvious kill target for scum than the other victims. |
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 12, 2016 13:31:46 GMT -8
Corn and squid, you have no opinion on the rid thing?
If rid flips town I highly advise everyone take a look at people who avoided commenting on it
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Post by squidyj on Jan 12, 2016 13:36:15 GMT -8
I think it's a relatively easy reads list that's light on substance and on names, outside of Tim, which is a bizarrely confident read that comes across as more of a statement of fact than anything else.
The scrafty read in particular feels almost like some parroting to me. Then he tries to prod us towards scrafty with the sawneeks quote while putting his hands up like "I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS GUYS"
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Post by squidyj on Jan 12, 2016 13:39:51 GMT -8
I think rid has made a fucking mess for himself, a downright mess. I don't think there's scum there and I'm not going to hop in because you think I'm avoiding the subject, focusing on it is most likely a massive fucking mistake for town. Hopefully we don't lynch him today because there are better opportunities but I can see why some people might misinterpret what's going on as scum.
Talking about rid is not useless like talking about the night deaths but if he's town it's very easy for scum to focus the discussion and make us as town waste a lot of time chasing our own tails.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 13:56:22 GMT -8
I think rid has made a fucking mess for himself, a downright mess. I don't think there's scum there and I'm not going to hop in because you think I'm avoiding the subject, focusing on it is most likely a massive fucking mistake for town. Hopefully we don't lynch him today because there are better opportunities but I can see why some people might misinterpret what's going on as scum. Talking about rid is not useless like talking about the night deaths but if he's town it's very easy for scum to focus the discussion and make us as town waste a lot of time chasing our own tails. I'm getting Gorlak flashbacks from Archer.
Past that though, there are too many inconsistencies and I think this "meltdown" was meant to make us feel bad and back off. There has been a near constant question of how experienced this player is.
A consistent and honest town player does not say both of these things in the same game:
Holy shit i think I'm just flat out done. If i speculate, I'm scum, if i hunt for scum, I'm scum, and if i defend myself, I'm scum. I tried to help town by hinting at a power role to draw fire. Thought for sure Sorian would catch on but he's tunneling in too hard and has lost sight completely and now a bunch of other scummy/lazy players have latched on. I'm just ordinary. My spirit animal is the Mouse. When i flip, remember who attacked me for speculating and ask yourself why they want to keep game mechanics concealed. I've done everything I can to help town otherwise. To my fellow mouseketeers, I'm sorry if claiming hurts you. Good luck!
People have the same spirit animal? When was this a theory? People must share spirit animals or what is the point? I actually think we can break this game with a mass claim, but ive hated winning that way in past games.
The first is a newbie getting frustrated and giving an unprompted role claim. The second is a vet pondering how to break the game design. Ultron hit that point already though, we can do the same with posts from yesterday:
Ridli's speculation time. Evil spirits are not cooperating with each other. Theyre after solo victories based somewhat on our spirit animals.
So we're supposed to hunt scum, who are after each other as well, thus not giving us any real connections to follow even if we luck into a lynch? Starting to feel like majority of us are just targets and dont actually get to play a game. Lynch me and Sorian please.
Speculated something in the first post and then got mad in the second post when more concrete information came out about it? This is someone who has game knowledge and is trying not to look obvious. I 100% stand by this. I want a lot more discussion today but I don't think this should fester.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jan 12, 2016 14:05:07 GMT -8
I personally think ridli is really suspicious, but I also think that unless we're going to vote him out right this minute, we should move on as it's making us talk in circles.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 14:08:17 GMT -8
I personally think ridli is really suspicious, but I also think that unless we're going to vote him out right this minute, we should move on as it's making us talk in circles. Personally waiting for Coppa to come save us, he said he would answer my questions earlier and he left me outside cold and naked this whole time. |
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Post by Coppanuva on Jan 12, 2016 14:27:19 GMT -8
I personally think ridli is really suspicious, but I also think that unless we're going to vote him out right this minute, we should move on as it's making us talk in circles. Personally waiting for Coppa to come save us, he said he would answer my questions earlier and he left me outside cold and naked this whole time. Baby it's cold outside. Oh first things first, Terra answered me so by the end of this post my vote moves on. I realize he has a point, particularly due to the time stamps on posts (which I looked back on and I could very easily believe it's from OG's refresh issues and people posting while he was typing). I've done a bit of reading (in between work things). I'll start with some opinions:
DuskSolder: This guy needs to post more. Right now his posts strike me as a confused inexperienced player. He wants information and is willing to do what he can to get it, but there's not much to read from him. I think his post about "Cornbro voting for Hyperactivity who later went on to die in the middle of the night" is a bit weird, because I don't see that logic making sense right now. It reads either like a naive player thinking scum is going to telegraph their moves that easily, or an attempt to cast suspicion on Cornbro. I want more activity from him so I can get something to read. In interest of talking...
Vote: DuskSoldier
Ridli: I don't even know what's going on here. Right now, Ridli could be a good candidate to lynch because that claim had a bit too much anger in it for my tastes. I'm not entirely sold personally though, since it feels like we'd be teetering on the edge of Policy Lynch territory, and as I said before with Xam, I'm not interested in going there right now. That said, I'm not against the lynch, it's just not where I expect my vote to end up today barring any major revelations.
As for Nin and Trigger's lack of activity: That's something I'll agree is concerning. I'm not sure I like the whole "I was concentrating on FF" excuse from Nin, but at least it's something. Trigger's given us very little to work with as well here. Right now seems to be on the edge of Dusk or Ridli, the pressure vote on Dusk could be a smokescreen trying to draw attention away from Ridli, but I need more to work with. There's no voting pattern, no doubt patterns, nothing.
Nin's whole thing with Bombay on D1 (overstating how much you and him had been arguing) combined with his typo about LoC on D2 is certainly odd. He strikes me right now as someone who just hasn't been paying attention to the game. Too many slip-ups. That said, he was pretty active D1 to not have placed a final vote, which is always going to seem weird and not ideal. I think between the 2, right now Nin leans a bit more suspicious than Trigger, but that's only because Trigger is too null for me.
I'll go over the other arguments later tonight and share some opinions there.
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Post by Coppanuva on Jan 12, 2016 14:28:07 GMT -8
Oh also Xam, cause you were telling someone to make a votecount bot for OG... I'm planning to write one for MP Mafia. So hopefully by sometime in 5.5 we'll have one.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 14:30:34 GMT -8
Personally waiting for Coppa to come save us, he said he would answer my questions earlier and he left me outside cold and naked this whole time. Baby it's cold outside. Oh first things first, Terra answered me so by the end of this post my vote moves on. I realize he has a point, particularly due to the time stamps on posts (which I looked back on and I could very easily believe it's from OG's refresh issues and people posting while he was typing). I've done a bit of reading (in between work things). I'll start with some opinions:
DuskSolder: This guy needs to post more. Right now his posts strike me as a confused inexperienced player. He wants information and is willing to do what he can to get it, but there's not much to read from him. I think his post about "Cornbro voting for Hyperactivity who later went on to die in the middle of the night" is a bit weird, because I don't see that logic making sense right now. It reads either like a naive player thinking scum is going to telegraph their moves that easily, or an attempt to cast suspicion on Cornbro. I want more activity from him so I can get something to read. In interest of talking...
Vote: DuskSoldier
Ridli: I don't even know what's going on here. Right now, Ridli could be a good candidate to lynch because that claim had a bit too much anger in it for my tastes. I'm not entirely sold personally though, since it feels like we'd be teetering on the edge of Policy Lynch territory, and as I said before with Xam, I'm not interested in going there right now. That said, I'm not against the lynch, it's just not where I expect my vote to end up today barring any major revelations.
As for Nin and Trigger's lack of activity: That's something I'll agree is concerning. I'm not sure I like the whole "I was concentrating on FF" excuse from Nin, but at least it's something. Trigger's given us very little to work with as well here. Right now seems to be on the edge of Dusk or Ridli, the pressure vote on Dusk could be a smokescreen trying to draw attention away from Ridli, but I need more to work with. There's no voting pattern, no doubt patterns, nothing.
Nin's whole thing with Bombay on D1 (overstating how much you and him had been arguing) combined with his typo about LoC on D2 is certainly odd. He strikes me right now as someone who just hasn't been paying attention to the game. Too many slip-ups. That said, he was pretty active D1 to not have placed a final vote, which is always going to seem weird and not ideal. I think between the 2, right now Nin leans a bit more suspicious than Trigger, but that's only because Trigger is too null for me.
I'll go over the other arguments later tonight and share some opinions there.
Is Tim going to be in the arguments for later? I believe I asked about him too (going to click post and go back and check my question to you now, I think Tim was all that was missed). |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 12, 2016 14:45:16 GMT -8
Yeah, honestly I agree that ridli his breakdown sounds a bit fake. I could understand it from a truly new player like StarSketch in gafia, but it is clear ridli isn't actually a new mafia player. On the other hand, the votes still could go a lot of ways when he had the breakdown, so there wasn't really a reason for a gamble yet.
But I will keep my vote on dust for now, at least until he has gave us some more of his opinions.
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Post by cornb on Jan 12, 2016 14:48:07 GMT -8
Corn and squid, you have no opinion on the rid thing? If rid flips town I highly advise everyone take a look at people who avoided commenting on it I'm of the opinion that ridi is not acting. I'm actually thinking you're scum still though. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 14:53:30 GMT -8
Corn and squid, you have no opinion on the rid thing? If rid flips town I highly advise everyone take a look at people who avoided commenting on it I'm of the opinion that ridi is not acting. I'm actually thinking you're scum still though. 
Even with Tim going along with this, I still have eyes on him from day 1.
Tim and Ridli are probably my top two. After that, I'm really not sure yet. From active people, I'm a bit skeptical of Ty4on and Squidy though Squidy keeps flipping a lot in my head. I didn't forget Crimson this time! but I'm waiting for ridli's flip to have more of an opinion on him. From the inactives, I really don't know anything going on: Dusk, Nin, and Trigger specifically are just there, they might be scum, they might be town, they might be neutrals, I have no idea and with how this is going so far, I don't know how I'm going to get a read from them.
Still trying to read Coppa because of the day 1 absence.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 12, 2016 15:16:15 GMT -8
I don't see what makes ridli a vet by suggesting a mass claim.
Tbh I think the spirit animal shit is garbage added to our role PMs. I'm not getting a vibe from anyone that there is secretly more to it than that. So I'm not gonna go after someone for anything related to that
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Post by cornb on Jan 12, 2016 15:17:23 GMT -8
I did consider that both could be scum. Something just doesn't feel right though about the ease with which we're inching towards Ridi's lynch.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 15:23:17 GMT -8
I don't see what makes ridli a vet by suggesting a mass claim. Tbh I think the spirit animal shit is garbage added to our role PMs. I'm not getting a vibe from anyone that there is secretly more to it than that. So I'm not gonna go after someone for anything related to that What newbie do you know says that they feel like the design of this game could be broken via a mass claim? That's not a regular thought that jumps out to a new player. Moot point anyway since the second half of that post clearly says that they've hated doing that in past games so it's not even a debate whether ridli is a vet or not. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 15:25:13 GMT -8
I did consider that both could be scum. Something just doesn't feel right though about the ease with which we're inching towards Ridi's lynch. 6 people out of 20 in the vote and a bunch of other people giving the "I could see it......but I'm going to vote over here for now" argument. I don't see the ease. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 12, 2016 15:33:02 GMT -8
I did consider that both could be scum. Something just doesn't feel right though about the ease with which we're inching towards Ridi's lynch. 6 people out of 20 in the vote and a bunch of other people giving the "I could see it......but I'm going to vote over here for now" argument. I don't see the ease. I did say inching towards. 6 votes isn't a lot now, but it does mean more and more as we get closer to the end phase of the Day. Especially when the fence sitters decide to pick a side. Both town and scum alike typically gravitate towards people who already have votes on them, so as to not "waste" votes. That said, I'm not overly concerned with protecting ridi. I just felt there was a semi-strong push early on for his lynch, and that makes me slightly wary. Especially if he's telling the truth. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 12, 2016 15:35:19 GMT -8
Complete side bar here: I just imagined Ridli getting tossed in and also being an "outsider" role and corb just straight up quitting gafia forever in rage.
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Back to the game, sorry for that aside, I had to share because it made me laugh.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 12, 2016 15:43:12 GMT -8
6 people out of 20 in the vote and a bunch of other people giving the "I could see it......but I'm going to vote over here for now" argument. I don't see the ease. I did say inching towards. 6 votes isn't a lot now, but it does mean more and more as we get closer to the end phase of the Day. Especially when the fence sitters decide to pick a side. Both town and scum alike typically gravitate towards people who already have votes on them, so as to not "waste" votes. That said, I'm not overly concerned with protecting ridi. I just felt there was a semi-strong push early on for his lynch, and that makes me slightly wary. Especially if he's telling the truth. Honestly, if this was a scum gamble to try and help ridli, scum will probably realize it is failing right now and will bus him a bit. I doubt that if ridli is scum, his partners will take big risks to try and safe him. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 12, 2016 15:59:48 GMT -8
I did say inching towards. 6 votes isn't a lot now, but it does mean more and more as we get closer to the end phase of the Day. Especially when the fence sitters decide to pick a side. Both town and scum alike typically gravitate towards people who already have votes on them, so as to not "waste" votes. That said, I'm not overly concerned with protecting ridi. I just felt there was a semi-strong push early on for his lynch, and that makes me slightly wary. Especially if he's telling the truth. Honestly, if this was a scum gamble to try and help ridli, scum will probably realize it is failing right now and will bus him a bit. I doubt that if ridli is scum, his partners will take big risks to try and safe him. Which is why I considered the possibility that both Czar and Ridi are scum. |
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 12, 2016 16:01:27 GMT -8
I think it's a relatively easy reads list that's light on substance and on names, outside of Tim, which is a bizarrely confident read that comes across as more of a statement of fact than anything else. The scrafty read in particular feels almost like some parroting to me. Then he tries to prod us towards scrafty with the sawneeks quote while putting his hands up like "I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS GUYS" The Sawneeks quote was really mostly about Sawneeks. Bad choice because it makes it look like a big argument for Scrafty being scum. I was just reminded of her sticking out in the list of deaths. What's weird is all the people with higher postcounts than her (9 people according to Kawl's count) survived the night. Last night just bothers me. There has to be some reason most of the victims didn't stand out D1. I just feel confident about Tim. He's not that high in activity, but his posts have been very direct and feel sincere. He's good as scum, but in my experience ScumTim tries much harder to be likable. Pretty lazy day phase in general for me. Ridli I'm having a hard time forming an opinion of. His behavior seems somewhat like a frustrated townie, but that's about it. He doesn't look like a scum acting, but he also doesn't look like a townie trying to find scum. Where do you stand on Sorian? Roy as well if you have anything. I had a slight scum read on Roy yesterday, but haven't had the energy to read him again. |
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 12, 2016 16:06:32 GMT -8
Honestly, if this was a scum gamble to try and help ridli, scum will probably realize it is failing right now and will bus him a bit. I doubt that if ridli is scum, his partners will take big risks to try and safe him. Which is why I considered the possibility that both Czar and Ridi are scum. What posts? Czar put an early vote for ridli and I didn't really seem to defend him. This is the closest I saw him to defending: Not helpful at all if you really are town, rid  |
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