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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 19:53:51 GMT -8
Sure, but from my angle, Sawneeks is either town with no information thus her suspicion of Scrafty means very little. Or Sawneeks is scum and she would know whether Scrafty was on her team or not. In the first case, scum took advantage of a Sawneek's words so they could kill her and maybe we'd look at Scrafty. In the second case......I don't know, scum Sawneeks was setting up a Scrafty push today maybe? Either way, it's pointless to even quote that without even knowing Sawneek's alignment. -------- Where is Darryl, is he just going to sit on his Nin vote all day? uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what? what do you know sorian? Nothing in particular? I don't think Scrafty is scum is really all I'm getting at. I think Sawneeks was a bit misguided. It reminds me of when I accidentally lead lynch bandwagons on someone and they curse me to their grave. I think a scum kill could have used Sawneeks to frame Scrafty. I missed the end of the day yesterday without placing a vote. No intended strategy, just a little overwhelmed. The thread was moving at the speed of light and we had quite the crowd. Some thoughts: -I don't think Xam is scum. I can't imagine that out of the blue claim helps them in any way. He's playing a lot like he was in Woof 2,which is to say really random. -I think that Scrafty's survival through the night is suspicious, but it doesn't help town to possibly toss away a PR (unless I'm missing the implication from the whole "flip" post from yesterday?). I'd feel more confident if we knew Sawneeks's alignment. I'm not willing to lynch her though when there are other players that are more suspicious. -Speaking of which, I think that dusksoldier is pretty high on my suspects list. He seemed pretty cool with lynching Sorian for information despite the likelihood that Sorian could be town and the value of such information being up in the air. His initial speculation of the nature of the spirits also strikes me as suspicious. I'm suspicious of ridli for similar reasons. -I think we should trust Sorian for now. He's probably the only person who I don't really suspect for now besides Xam. VOTE: dusksoldier Why Dusk and not Ridli? They both have been very adament of lynching me for info but dusk mostly started his crusade today, ridli was on about it yesterday and is now backpedaling.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 19:56:06 GMT -8
I'm kind of irritated that people think I'm scum for guessing at some of the mechanics yesterday. Why would I do that if I were scum? The only way I'd have extra info was if it was in my role PM, and scum would be fucked the moment another scum flipped and revealed that source. There's some really faulty logic in that line of thought. I think you're scum because of the inconsistencies of how you've presented yourself and your stance of scum hunting second, convenient lynches first. It's not so much that you guessed at mechanics. It's that it seems like your goal was to pass yourself off as a newbie but you had the opinions of a vet. Something didn't add up.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Jan 11, 2016 20:00:06 GMT -8
I'm kind of irritated that people think I'm scum for guessing at some of the mechanics yesterday. Why would I do that if I were scum? The only way I'd have extra info was if it was in my role PM, and scum would be fucked the moment another scum flipped and revealed that source. There's some really faulty logic in that line of thought. Do you have any reason to be worried, luv? Why so jittery?
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 21:16:40 GMT -8
02 [m] Cabot - Not posting as much as I'd expect. Seems demoralized by the deaths? Probably town but not a very helpful attitude to have. 03 [m] Coppanuva - Absent Day 1. Not super active even now. Going after Terra, it seems like, which I agree with. Probably town. 04 [m] CornBro - Day 1 I felt like he was fishing for Power Roles with some of his comments. D2 and his 100% correct reaction to Xam makes me think that's not the case anymore. Leaning towards town here. 05 [m] CrimsonFist - Day 1 he barely registered, but looking back it seems like he was really pressing to get more PR claims. He also seems worried about anyone knowing there might be multiple scum factions. Leaning scum. 06 [m] CzarTim - Super focused on Blargonaut D1. D2 he just seems demoralized, aside from Blarg's death. 07 [m] Dusk Soldier - He went after Sorian for the same reason I did, but sometime after me. Bandwagon? I dunno. He's barely contributing. Scummy. 08 [m] Hyperactivity09 [m] Kalor10 [m] Karu11 [m] Kawl_USC - He seems to be working harder than most at looking for connections and posting concrete stuff. Town. 12 [m] LaunchpadMcQ13 [m] Lone Prodigy14 [m] Lord of Castamere15 [m] Mazre - Pretty inactive overall. Seemed inclined to bandwagon nin yesterday, then bailed for a different bandwagon before day ended. Had a super shifty comment earlier, calling a vote "intriguing", which just reads as scum trying to get credit for an early vote without actually committing to it while he waits to see who else bandwagons. Leaning Scum. 16 [m] nin1000 - Hasn't done anything constructive. His few posts seem super weird. Leaning Scum. 17 [m] ridli - I'm too big to self-review. 18 [m] Pop-O-Matic - I'm an idiot!19 [m] roytheone - Not much posted yet, but seems mostly constructive. No posts today is far more worrisome. Scum sitting back to watch the chaos? Leaning town. 20 [f] Sawneeks21 [f] ScraftyDevil - She went pretty hard after LoC, who was town. That's slightly more evidence than we have for nearly anything else. Someone I would investigate further, but I think she's town right now. 22 [m] Sorian - Pretty sure he's town, though his role is such a cop out. i might just be jealous that he got a crucial and public role. 23 [m] squidyj - Sorta like him. Seems pretty direct, which I appreciate. Leanign town 24 [f] Swamped25 [m] Terrabyte20xx - The drive by Sorian vote yesterday bothers me a lot. Leaning scum. 26 [f] Trigger - .... who? Scum? Town? Treestump? It's anyone's guess right now. 27 [m] Ty4on - He's right in the middle for me. Posting a solid amount, not too much fluffy crap, but hasn't stood out much either. Probably town. 28 [m] ultron87 - Another disturbingly inactive player. Maybe scum? 29 [m] Xamtheking - Either playing sloppy town or devious scum. At least he isn't inactive. I think we can ignore this issue for now. 30 [m] zippedpinhead31 [m] Bombay - Leaning Town That took way too long to review everyone's posts. Some other assumptions I see people making that could be dangerous: Assuming the Volcano got Scum at all. It seems likely scum would have some immunity to this. Otherwise the game could have ended N1, and no matter how crazy this is, i doubt he designed it that way. I kind of think the Volcano kills were a percentage of the non-immune players + scum kill(s) + vig/SK. Assuming the lack of flips was Volcano related. We may not get any Night Kill flips at all, and the volcano was just our terrible fucking luck.
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 21:23:48 GMT -8
I'm kind of irritated that people think I'm scum for guessing at some of the mechanics yesterday. Why would I do that if I were scum? The only way I'd have extra info was if it was in my role PM, and scum would be fucked the moment another scum flipped and revealed that source. There's some really faulty logic in that line of thought. I think you're scum because of the inconsistencies of how you've presented yourself and your stance of scum hunting second, convenient lynches first. It's not so much that you guessed at mechanics. It's that it seems like your goal was to pass yourself off as a newbie but you had the opinions of a vet. Something didn't add up. lol, in what way were you a convenient lynch? As for scum hunting, there's nothing but blind luck or meta knowledge for Day 1. I don't control the former and lack some of the latter. All scum hunting did was get 9 people killed super early. I'm no longer interested in lynching you at all, but it seems cut and dry that losing you yesterday probably would have been better than losing Zip, all things considered. Hindsight is a bitch though, and I don't particularly blame any of the Zipped voters. He kinda dug his own grave.
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 21:24:42 GMT -8
I'm kind of irritated that people think I'm scum for guessing at some of the mechanics yesterday. Why would I do that if I were scum? The only way I'd have extra info was if it was in my role PM, and scum would be fucked the moment another scum flipped and revealed that source. There's some really faulty logic in that line of thought. Do you have any reason to be worried, luv? Why so jittery? I'm worried we're going the way of the second werewolf game.
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 21:29:48 GMT -8
I forgot to vote!
Vote: Terrabyte20xx
Anyway, it's bedtime. I'll check in tomorrow if I can, but it'll be spotty from my phone.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 11, 2016 22:00:04 GMT -8
Where is Darryl, is he just going to sit on his Nin vote all day? LoC is a confirmed townie and had painted himself an easy target. our best bet would be to find the people suspicious of LoC and lynch one. on a quick vote look-over, we have squidyj, scrafty, and mazre. out of the 3, squidyj and scrafty act the scummiest. this isn't taking into account people who were verbally suspicious of him yet didn't vote, which are actually in a higher tier of scumminess because they'd have known LoC was town. i don't have the time to find out who those people were, so for now: VOTE: Squidyj
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Post by cabot on Jan 12, 2016 1:23:24 GMT -8
02 [m] Cabot - Not posting as much as I'd expect. Seems demoralized by the deaths? Probably town but not a very helpful attitude to have. That took way too long to review everyone's posts. Some other assumptions I see people making that could be dangerous: Assuming the Volcano got Scum at all. It seems likely scum would have some immunity to this. Otherwise the game could have ended N1, and no matter how crazy this is, i doubt he designed it that way. I kind of think the Volcano kills were a percentage of the non-immune players + scum kill(s) + vig/SK. Assuming the lack of flips was Volcano related. We may not get any Night Kill flips at all, and the volcano was just our terrible fucking luck. Yo son, some of us have to go to bed. We can't assume anything from the Volcano, that equally means whether it hit scum or not. It's complete WIFOM currently. I'm personally weary on Scrafty, as mentioned with regards to the double soft claim and both still being alive. Roy made me feel slightly better about him by the end of the day but let's be honest, that doesn't clear him. Roy might have just found his town groove, regardless of alignment. It's the 'I'm happy to flip' comment for Scrafty that sticks out to me, it just was such a weird time to make it, there was significant time left on the clock and she only had one or two votes on in a 31 player game. It didn't make sense to say that at that point. It reads to me as a scum just using nonchalance to appear town. She has been a bit more assertive today which is making me very uncertain with regards to moving forward. I didn't like ridli much yesterday, I still don't particularly like him so far today. Ultron has also been alarmingly quiet, I need him to chime in on suspicious folks and some top town top scum. I feel okay on Tim, Xam, and Ty just now. Sorian, Crimson, Bombay, Kawl and Mazre are in the middle for me. I feel there is a decent chance Sorian could be neutral, and unlike him I would not consider myself a friend of the neutrals. Crimson I lean slightly town on but there's just something about his style of writing that makes it hard for me to feel certain of an alignment. Darryl hasn't done anything to sway to either scum or town. Kawl is bizarre frankly. He did that post counting analysis which has very questionable effectiveness and then followed up with one detailed post analysing himself. If he'd done everyone else at the top of the activity list, then fair enough, but he'd only covered two other people. I don't need Kawl to tell me how he feels about Kawl. I need Kawl to tell me how he feels about others. The reason I say null than scum is because he did put in a lot of effort for this shit. It's possible a scum would too, but Topo did the count thing in Election and he flipped town, when I thought it was just as useless then. Mazre is just a tough nut to crack for me personally, but I don't see anything incriminating or beneficial yet. I don't feel very good on Corn, Terra, Trigger, nin and Squidy. I guess this could be a more lax squidy, more in the NX vein where he could still be town, and he has raised some valid points like highlighting the pointlessness of volcano speculation, and corn's occasionally bizarre ideas. Onto corn, I'm not agreeing with most of what he says, but in terms of behaviour he doesn't seem particularly different. I just think most of what he's saying is wrong. Terra has posted but he only really gives a reason for voting Sorian, he endorses a Kalor vote, he switches to zipped for 'no ties' where it was 8-4-4 if I'm reading the vote list correctly. There's no real material to back up his voting actions. Trigger was on the lower activity side in Woof 2, so there's not too much to glean from that. The non-voting is a problem though. There's really not much here for her and I would like her to try and post a little more on the flow of things as they happen instead of offering little summaries. Nin is making an extremely large hole for himself the longer he remains silent, there's no excuse for not having a vote by day end yesterday, he was here for the vast majority of it. FF only took up the end (did it not end before our day phase ended even?) VOTE: Terrabyte20xx My vote for now.
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Post by cornb on Jan 12, 2016 3:07:17 GMT -8
Not game related talk, but I want to apologize for my fit earlier in the D2 start. Especially to Xam and Zipped.
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Post by triggergaf on Jan 12, 2016 3:10:18 GMT -8
Why Dusk and not Ridli? They both have been very adament of lynching me for info but dusk mostly started his crusade today, ridli was on about it yesterday and is now backpedaling. A pressure vote. There's more than enough heat on ridli (hence the back tracking), but I think dusk is sliding past the radar. I wouldn't be opposed to a ridli lynch if that's the direction things go however.
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 12, 2016 3:10:46 GMT -8
OK currently reading through the the start of the day. Let my start by saying holy shit at those 9 deaths and the role pm's that burned with them. That's not good. Will put down my thoughts on comments as I go through the day. Bate with me since the day started in the middle of the night for me.
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 12, 2016 3:14:20 GMT -8
VOTE: Trigger Trigger is still alive right? Other than Coppa who was immune/indisposed day one, Trigger is the only person who did not vote day 1 and is still alive. As good a place as any to really start from. Not to be that guy but I am alive aswell and did not vote. I put down my excuse down after the day end end but since it was shortly after the day ended I am going to say it again. I effed up. There is no excuse for it since I hate players who play in 2 games simultaneously and can't get their head around things then. I am aware of that and I sont shy away to be held responsible for not voting.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 12, 2016 3:24:05 GMT -8
Some thoughts:
- We really should watch out to not get too demoralized right now. I still believe we have a shot at winning this, I doubt we are in an unwinnable situation on day 10 already. However, A lot of us getting demoralized and only half playing will make it a lot harder to win.
- I am still very suspect of xam. I still think his case against me was rather weak and some of his points he made against me he himself was also guilty of. I found him being very protective of LoC suspect, and LoC now flipping ordinary town doesn't necessarily clear that. When I play as scum I like to be protective of a suspect towny too, since that will get me town points when he flips town. When I asked about his other suspects beside me, he came with coppa (that didn't post yet and even had a mod OK to be away for that day) and Blarg, who didn't really did anything. Weird choices IMO. Finally, his role claim completely out of the blue doesn't help his case.
- Ridli and Dusk are suspect for wanting to lynch Sorian for information, and not really talking about who they think are scum. Ridli has since posted a complete read list, but Dusk is still A mystery to me on that front. If Sorian flips neutral or town (which I still think he will), I think one of these guys is scum, and because of the low level of activity and not really sharing a lot of his thoughts with us I am leaning Dusk for now.
-I have a bad feeling about Kawl. I disagree that his post count analysis makes him more town. He probably put a lot of effort in it, true, but it is a lot of effort for only giving us a couple of reads. A good way to appear more town (guys, I put so much work in!) while also not having to give a lot of reads.
Right now my suspect list would go Dusk>Xam>Kawl>Ridli
VOTE: dusksoldier
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 12, 2016 3:48:19 GMT -8
Nin still hasn't shown up yet. What an absolute bother. If I were to designate the lot I believe to be most unscrupulous, I would probably say nin, ridli, and Terra. Nin I've already explained partially but when going over his dialogue from yesterday, he struck me as someone willing to coast by without taking a side (a stance characterized by his lack of vote). Ridli is someone who strikes me as being more knowledgeable than he lets on. Whether he's a Talented Mr. Ridli or simply riffraff is yet to be seen, but I do wish to see how he acts under pressure. Terra's last-minute vote swap and general contentedness to follow along with the most popular opinion (e.g. voting for Sorian out of nowhere with inadequate explanation before switching to myself and then zipped in turn) puts a rather disturbing feeling in my tummy, and I'm not sure what could resolve it but more information. I as i said earlier it was the middle of the night the day started. But i am here now , so at least ican respond to your push. I wont take the allegation that i coasted by though. I put down my feelings regarding you and Sorian since they were the only ones that struck out to me. You got some heat for trying to get rid of LoC, and since him getting voted off the island and therefore the volcano errupting i think my vote will fall on your ass. VOTE: scraftydevil I know his vote can be seen as a reaction that you voted on me , but i want to explain that i react to you pushing Loc off the island and causing this mess on the first place Feel free to respond to this asap. I will be here and will hear you ou aswell.
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 12, 2016 3:51:10 GMT -8
Alright guys, what do we have to work with? Besides dead bodies, of course I will go the easy way and look for those that pushed for LoC. We can try and push Sorian aswell, but since he is giving me Town vibes i much rather let it be for now.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 12, 2016 3:54:17 GMT -8
I'm kind of irritated that people think I'm scum for guessing at some of the mechanics yesterday. Why would I do that if I were scum? The only way I'd have extra info was if it was in my role PM, and scum would be fucked the moment another scum flipped and revealed that source. There's some really faulty logic in that line of thought. Scum know more than town. I certainly don't think that you were giving away anything intentionally, but it's an easy place to slip up. If it was just your initial speculation then I'd let it pass, but that on top of not seeing any new information in Sorian's revival post, makes me think that you do indeed know more than you should. 05 [m] CrimsonFist - Day 1 he barely registered, but looking back it seems like he was really pressing to get more PR claims. He also seems worried about anyone knowing there might be multiple scum factions. Leaning scum. On people talking about that one role claim comment I made, yeah, that was dumb. At the time a few people were saying that we should absolutely lynch Kalor no matter what, I just wanted to point out that he should at least be given a chance to role claim first, seeing as he had soft claimed, obviously we've since moved away from him now though. And if I didn't want people to know about multiple scum factions, I certainly wouldn't have made it the focus of my argument against you. A few other thoughts: Kawl: I don't like people who just come by to drop off read posts. It reminds me of Ouro in early Heist and Kingkitty in Woof, although he's at least contributed a bit more than those two. dusksoldier: seemed very tunnelled on lynching Sorian yesterday. I think I'd want to see him post a bit more today though, right now he seems like a bit of a low hanging fruit. Sorian: It's starting to bug me that his information seems very scum focused. WRT spirit animals in particular, he's only talked about scum benefiting from knowing them, and later admitted that there could be a town benefit, but he doesn't know about it. If my suspicion on ridli is also correct, then that would mean that scum, or some scum, know about multiple factions too, and with a number of players being able to communicate, they'd probably have at least a better idea than us as to how spirit animals are grouped. Not saying that this means he is scum, I'm kind of leaning neutral on him atm, just an observation on what he knows.
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 12, 2016 3:54:19 GMT -8
Leaning town on Crimson at the moment, only slightly though. Ultron is still a null read after rereading his posts, hasn't done anything scummy hasn't really done anything towny in my opinion, on the whole seems to be his normal self. just out of interest , what would be a towny thing to do in your opinion ? Put down read lists ? I dont want to sound rude i am just curious.
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 12, 2016 3:59:40 GMT -8
Some thoughts: - We really should watch out to not get too demoralized right now. I still believe we have a shot at winning this, I doubt we are in an unwinnable situation on day 10 already. However, A lot of us getting demoralized and only half playing will make it a lot harder to win. Concerning the volcano errupting i think everything has been said but i want to chime in here and say that the worst has happened , i doubt there is another player who will cause another erruption of the volcano and causing anoher 9 people to die. I can be wrong though but for the moment i think that the worst is over.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 12, 2016 4:06:37 GMT -8
Alright guys, what do we have to work with? Besides dead bodies, of course I will go the easy way and look for those that pushed for LoC. We can try and push Sorian aswell, but since he is giving me Town vibes i much rather let it be for now. Uh, it was zipped who for lynched and caused the CF last night, not LoC bud.
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 12, 2016 4:18:03 GMT -8
I will go the easy way and look for those that pushed for LoC. We can try and push Sorian aswell, but since he is giving me Town vibes i much rather let it be for now. Uh, it was zipped who for lynched and caused the CF last night, not LoC bud. true but LoC is now a confirmed town, so my first guess is that those who pushed against him ( mainly scraft ) could be scum or her actions were.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 12, 2016 4:22:36 GMT -8
I put down my feelings regarding you and Sorian since they were the only ones that struck out to me. You got some heat for trying to get rid of LoC, and since him getting voted off the island and therefore the volcano errupting i think my vote will fall on your ass.VOTE: scraftydevil I know his vote can be seen as a reaction that you voted on me , but i want to explain that i react to you pushing Loc off the island and causing this mess on the first place Feel free to respond to this asap. I will be here and will hear you ou aswell. I'd probably make sure you get the reasoning behind your vote right before pushing then.
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 12, 2016 4:26:22 GMT -8
I put down my feelings regarding you and Sorian since they were the only ones that struck out to me. You got some heat for trying to get rid of LoC, and since him getting voted off the island and therefore the volcano errupting i think my vote will fall on your ass.VOTE: scraftydevil I know his vote can be seen as a reaction that you voted on me , but i want to explain that i react to you pushing Loc off the island and causing this mess on the first place Feel free to respond to this asap. I will be here and will hear you ou aswell. I'd probably make sure you get the reasoning behind your vote right before pushing then. I voted for Scrafty for Pushing against Loc , a now confirmed Town player. I hope thats clear enough.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 12, 2016 4:38:04 GMT -8
Kawl is bizarre frankly. He did that post counting analysis which has very questionable effectiveness and then followed up with one detailed post analysing himself. If he'd done everyone else at the top of the activity list, then fair enough, but he'd only covered two other people. I don't need Kawl to tell me how he feels about Kawl. I need Kawl to tell me how he feels about others. The reason I say null than scum is because he did put in a lot of effort for this shit. It's possible a scum would too, but Topo did the count thing in Election and he flipped town, when I thought it was just as useless then. Yea? Well YOU'RE bizarre. And don't call me Frankly. You can take it or leave it on whether post count analysis is worthwhile but when possible I at least prefer to make sure everyone is on the same page and has to actually back up their gut reads of 'coasting scum', 'low activity', or 'mostly posts fluff'. Free ride logic like that is likely to be used by scum and since they have ulterior motives in their pushes/votes they are likely to push that narrative even when it actually isn't the case. And honestly my self analysis was more of a joke/break from throwing together several long posts in a row. I still think it was useful, and part of the reason I put together those deep reads on people who had suspicion either on them or building on them (xam, was under fire, Scrafty as well and a couple of people had posted that they were mainly considering looking at middling posters rather than high or super low activity) was to provide a quick primer on what they had actually said. For people checking in on Sunday after the weekend and seeing 40 pages , I thought seeing essentially a recap of 6 posters (5 of whom werent sticking out with 100+ posts) might be helpful if they weren't able or willing to read everything. And I still did tell you how I felt about 5 other people besides myself with at least some semblance of logic and reasoning which is more than I would say most did yesterday. I have a bad feeling about Kawl. I disagree that his post count analysis makes him more town. He probably put a lot of effort in it, true, but it is a lot of effort for only giving us a couple of reads. A good way to appear more town (guys, I put so much work in!) while also not having to give a lot of reads. Right now my suspect list would go Dusk>Xam>Kawl>Ridli I gave 5 reads on people who were at least suspected a little bit by several people in the thread. And as I said, I did those extended long reads, not for the appearance of putting in filler work, but to maybe help someone who had seen the large number of posts day 1 and essentially said fuck it. Going forward with a more reasonable amount of thread activity I'll just be providing my thoughts on people and not those deep dives with summaries of everything they posted. A few other thoughts: Kawl: I don't like people who just come by to drop off read posts. It reminds me of Ouro in early Heist and Kingkitty in Woof, although he's at least contributed a bit more than those two. Well that doesn't really seem like a fair representation of my contributions. I "dropped off" read posts for about a 4 hour slot on Sunday morning when I could finally provide some time and brainpower to this game. For the rest of the time I've been making reactionary posts to whatever has been going on as I'm able (around work, guests, sleep, etc). When we had people with far less activity, knocking me for just dropping off posts with reads strikes me as both weird and incorrect. Any how, this has been my #scumtell defensive posting of the day. Should be around commenting on whatever for the day, proactive posting and looking at people come this evening.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 12, 2016 4:41:54 GMT -8
I'd probably make sure you get the reasoning behind your vote right before pushing then. I voted for Scrafty for Pushing against Loc , a now confirmed Town player. I hope thats clear enough. Sure, that's what are saying now. But it's clearly not what you were saying originally. And being wrong isn't exactly a sign of being scum. Hell, I'd be more willing to buy that Scrafty was scum for pushing to get LoC lynched because it seemed like he was breadcrumbing to a lost partner, which could be a threat to other scum factions, neutrals, etc. If the game is actually splintered up into different scum factions as Sorian has said, scum actually won't know for sure who are town. They'll just know who ain't them.
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Post by Mazre on Jan 12, 2016 4:48:31 GMT -8
15 [m] Mazre - Pretty inactive overall. Seemed inclined to bandwagon nin yesterday, then bailed for a different bandwagon before day ended. Had a super shifty comment earlier, calling a vote "intriguing", which just reads as scum trying to get credit for an early vote without actually committing to it while he waits to see who else bandwagons. Leaning Scum. I lead the vote on nin yesterday. When I switched to LoC there were no active votes on him. Giving my opinion on someone elses input is now scummy, awesome.
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Post by Mazre on Jan 12, 2016 4:48:58 GMT -8
Leaning town on Crimson at the moment, only slightly though. Ultron is still a null read after rereading his posts, hasn't done anything scummy hasn't really done anything towny in my opinion, on the whole seems to be his normal self. just out of interest , what would be a towny thing to do in your opinion ? Put down read lists ? I dont want to sound rude i am just curious. Towny is towny.
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Post by Mazre on Jan 12, 2016 4:53:21 GMT -8
Kawl is bizarre frankly. He did that post counting analysis which has very questionable effectiveness and then followed up with one detailed post analysing himself. If he'd done everyone else at the top of the activity list, then fair enough, but he'd only covered two other people. I don't need Kawl to tell me how he feels about Kawl. I need Kawl to tell me how he feels about others. The reason I say null than scum is because he did put in a lot of effort for this shit. It's possible a scum would too, but Topo did the count thing in Election and he flipped town, when I thought it was just as useless then. Yea? Well YOU'RE bizarre. And don't call me Frankly. You can take it or leave it on whether post count analysis is worthwhile but when possible I at least prefer to make sure everyone is on the same page and has to actually back up their gut reads of 'coasting scum', 'low activity', or 'mostly posts fluff'. Free ride logic like that is likely to be used by scum and since they have ulterior motives in their pushes/votes they are likely to push that narrative even when it actually isn't the case. And honestly my self analysis was more of a joke/break from throwing together several long posts in a row. I still think it was useful, and part of the reason I put together those deep reads on people who had suspicion either on them or building on them (xam, was under fire, Scrafty as well and a couple of people had posted that they were mainly considering looking at middling posters rather than high or super low activity) was to provide a quick primer on what they had actually said. For people checking in on Sunday after the weekend and seeing 40 pages , I thought seeing essentially a recap of 6 posters (5 of whom werent sticking out with 100+ posts) might be helpful if they weren't able or willing to read everything. And I still did tell you how I felt about 5 other people besides myself with at least some semblance of logic and reasoning which is more than I would say most did yesterday. I have a bad feeling about Kawl. I disagree that his post count analysis makes him more town. He probably put a lot of effort in it, true, but it is a lot of effort for only giving us a couple of reads. A good way to appear more town (guys, I put so much work in!) while also not having to give a lot of reads. Right now my suspect list would go Dusk>Xam>Kawl>Ridli I gave 5 reads on people who were at least suspected a little bit by several people in the thread. And as I said, I did those extended long reads, not for the appearance of putting in filler work, but to maybe help someone who had seen the large number of posts day 1 and essentially said fuck it. Going forward with a more reasonable amount of thread activity I'll just be providing my thoughts on people and not those deep dives with summaries of everything they posted. A few other thoughts: Kawl: I don't like people who just come by to drop off read posts. It reminds me of Ouro in early Heist and Kingkitty in Woof, although he's at least contributed a bit more than those two. Well that doesn't really seem like a fair representation of my contributions. I "dropped off" read posts for about a 4 hour slot on Sunday morning when I could finally provide some time and brainpower to this game. For the rest of the time I've been making reactionary posts to whatever has been going on as I'm able (around work, guests, sleep, etc). When we had people with far less activity, knocking me for just dropping off posts with reads strikes me as both weird and incorrect. Any how, this has been my #scumtell defensive posting of the day. Should be around commenting on whatever for the day, proactive posting and looking at people come this evening. Except for the fact that your supposed 'analysis' also lumped in all the pre-game chatter. Slapping a one line disclaimer and then blowing down a wall of text based on incomplete, inaccurate, and arbitrarily time gated information doesn't serve the interest of having a proper discussion. Also I somehow ended up in your reads despite having neither general suspicion or being an outlier in your data set. Was that purely 'omgus' for calling out your post?
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Post by nin1000 on Jan 12, 2016 4:53:56 GMT -8
I voted for Scrafty for Pushing against Loc , a now confirmed Town player. I hope thats clear enough. Sure, that's what are saying now. But it's clearly not what you were saying originally. And being wrong isn't exactly a sign of being scum. Hell, I'd be more willing to buy that Scrafty was scum for pushing to get LoC lynched because it seemed like he was breadcrumbing to a lost partner, which could be a threat to other scum factions, neutrals, etc. If the game is actually splintered up into different scum factions as Sorian has said, scum actually won't know for sure who are town. They'll just know who ain't them. -I cannot take back what i said, it was clearly a mistake on my part for not even noticing that Zipped was voted off the island. I made the error and i stand by it, Sorry. I know this will again shed some bad light on me and i know that some players find my postings to be some kind of irritating but le me be clear that my vote for scrafty is legit since her trying to vote off LoC tilted some signs in my head in the last day aswell. -I know that being wrong is not actually a sign of being scum it just shows that that player ( in this case me ) is not even playing attention to the game and for that i apologize. - Regarding different factions being ingame. I think since we were almost 30 players i think it is safe to say that this is the case, something like in the Cthulu game were it was town against 2 scum factions. Since this game was put in the end of Season 4 and since Season 5 is almost ready to go it is safe to say that there can 2 players dying each night ( or even more like we saw tonight )
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Post by Mazre on Jan 12, 2016 4:54:07 GMT -8
Off to work, will check in at lunch if able.
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