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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 16:22:49 GMT -8
@ corn and sorian I'm not really sure what to say here. I am absolutely town. I didn't put a lot of effort into the game day one for a variety of reasons both rl and not and to be frank, after last night, I doubt that changes. I'm still here and posting though. I'll be happy for you guys to see my flip to know that I genuinely thought policying blarg was the best option, so that when I do the same thing next game we're in together, everyone will know. I've seen him throw too many games for any positives he brings. It's not personal, I think he's hilarious, I just think it's best to remove him from the picture. I moved my vote at the end when no one wanted to go along. I've never been the player that votes a lot to apply pressure though. I rarely vote more than two - three people a day. Corn, I'm not sure why people keep bringing woof 2 up as some great feat of mine, but I simply stated the obvious. The fact that the other townies didn't pick up on what happened says more about them than my hot skillz. Why scum didn't kill me, I have no idea. They also didn't kill as lot of other good / active players while some other non-entities died. But I don't understand your logic that I pushed blarg all day as scum just to nk him, like, what? I'd never nk blarg, that's a waste of a nk. And I'm not sure why pushing him during the day has anything to do with it. I was well aware it would be viewed as lazy / easy / scummy, yet I did it anyway because everything I said I believed, whether others agree or not. Sorian, you pushing me all day yesterday felt lazy tbh. You were using incorrect meta and a lot of your points were factually incorrect. It seemed like you were using me as an easy punching bag when you usually push more people. I still don't think you are scum, but it was very frustrating having to reiterate points multiple times. So like, unless someone has a specific issue I plan on spending my time today not defending myself. I think that was mistake yesterday, it felt like every other post I made yesterday was defending my 100% correct position on blarg. I'd like to hear both of your opinions on nin and scrafty, as that's who I think are the best votes today. Actually if multiple factions exist, some other faction probably killed Blarg. |
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 11, 2016 16:24:04 GMT -8
Then they are dumb but I thank them anyway.
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Post by ultron87 on Jan 11, 2016 16:27:39 GMT -8
Well, that was exciting.
I don't think we figure out much from the corpse pile last night. Even if we find out some were scum and some weren't there is no way to know which was which or the results.
I won't be home till later so not much I can post right now.
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Post by Mazre on Jan 11, 2016 16:29:33 GMT -8
Leaning town on Crimson at the moment, only slightly though.
Ultron is still a null read after rereading his posts, hasn't done anything scummy hasn't really done anything towny in my opinion, on the whole seems to be his normal self.
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 16:30:51 GMT -8
As for my thoughts on nin and scrafty. Nin has been kind of absent. Scrafty has something going on, but I can't glean much. As she/he said, "you'll learn more from my flip than my lips".
Czar, I'll admit my reasoning for you is weak. Pushing Blarg and then killing him doesn't make sense, but at the very least pushing for Blarg did give you an alibi to not really participate in D1.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 16:34:24 GMT -8
I think if Tim turns out to be anything it's going to be the case that Corn had information he's not sharing with us. Why? I've been distrustful of Tim since yesterday, that strong policy stance on Blarg smelled like shit. @ corn and sorian I'm not really sure what to say here. I am absolutely town. I didn't put a lot of effort into the game day one for a variety of reasons both rl and not and to be frank, after last night, I doubt that changes. I'm still here and posting though. I'll be happy for you guys to see my flip to know that I genuinely thought policying blarg was the best option, so that when I do the same thing next game we're in together, everyone will know. I've seen him throw too many games for any positives he brings. It's not personal, I think he's hilarious, I just think it's best to remove him from the picture. I moved my vote at the end when no one wanted to go along. I've never been the player that votes a lot to apply pressure though. I rarely vote more than two - three people a day. Corn, I'm not sure why people keep bringing woof 2 up as some great feat of mine, but I simply stated the obvious. The fact that the other townies didn't pick up on what happened says more about them than my hot skillz. Why scum didn't kill me, I have no idea. They also didn't kill as lot of other good / active players while some other non-entities died. But I don't understand your logic that I pushed blarg all day as scum just to nk him, like, what? I'd never nk blarg, that's a waste of a nk. And I'm not sure why pushing him during the day has anything to do with it. I was well aware it would be viewed as lazy / easy / scummy, yet I did it anyway because everything I said I believed, whether others agree or not. Sorian, you pushing me all day yesterday felt lazy tbh. You were using incorrect meta and a lot of your points were factually incorrect. It seemed like you were using me as an easy punching bag when you usually push more people. I still don't think you are scum, but it was very frustrating having to reiterate points multiple times. So like, unless someone has a specific issue I plan on spending my time today not defending myself. I think that was mistake yesterday, it felt like every other post I made yesterday was defending my 100% correct position on blarg. I'd like to hear both of your opinions on nin and scrafty, as that's who I think are the best votes today. Good, your play on Blarg felt lazy too, we're in agreement. I pushed where I felt like I should be pushing. I backed off because I know you are a smooth talker and I thought night 1 would be more useful than it was. Here we are again so I'm re-opening the case. You play better than this yet all of your posts just keep telling me that you are conscious of not putting a lot of effort into this. You even mention it again in this post but you also mention the obvious. You cared more about defending yourself than scum hunting. Why? If you aren't putting effort in because of RL or whatever then great but the effort was certainly there when people had qualms with you. You know you've been defending too much and not playing. Your "activity" yesterday was trying to push for Blarg's policy lynch then putting out a sad vote when the wind wasn't going to shift that way. I'll humor you though. I think Scrafty is town and I haven't gotten a real read yet from Nin because he hasn't even done anything. He's null but I could put him slightly slightly towards scum only because he is usually cockier and more in your face and that wasn't here this game. I can think of a perfectly reasonable reason for that but it still sticks out. Why is Nin a good vote for you by the way? |
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 11, 2016 16:37:32 GMT -8
What bothers me most about nin is how he didn't vote, tbh. He was around earlier and was talking, even if I were to believe he got caught up in FF ending, he could have thrown a vote out when he was engaging with me. His only real read was he thought loc and scrafty were fake fighting. Let's not forget we do have one flip to go on, LoC's. Not that wrong = scum, but he certainly had a chance to put his money where his mouth is, and he chose not to.
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Post by squidyj on Jan 11, 2016 16:40:50 GMT -8
because Corn built his argument out of the deaths last night which is something that can be spun in a million different ways. the fact that he's chosen this way to go with it and is pushing on using this 'information' so heavily suggests to me that he either has information about the kills or is using the kills as a mask for other information he has about Tim.
Sure, tim seems like a reasonably suspect guy, but to derive that from the kills is insanity to my perspective.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 16:44:46 GMT -8
because Corn built his argument out of the deaths last night which is something that can be spun in a million different ways. the fact that he's chosen this way to go with it and is pushing on using this 'information' so heavily suggests to me that he either has information about the kills or is using the kills as a mask for other information he has about Tim. Sure, tim seems like a reasonably suspect guy, but to derive that from the kills is insanity to my perspective. Fair point, probably all that needs to be said on the subject. |
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 11, 2016 16:46:32 GMT -8
Scrafty, and maybe this is her usually play as this is our first game together, but her posts on day one were very blendy. I think her push on LoC was weak, but now that we know LoC was lying I am softening my read on her a bit. She might have just picked up something was a amiss. That said, LoC was a very easy target yesterday, so I'm not ruling her out. I also think her "you can lynch me" comment was a bit eck.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 16:51:59 GMT -8
I'd like Trigger to show up. She is just as guilty as Nin imo.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 11, 2016 17:00:25 GMT -8
I'd like Trigger to show up. She is just as guilty as Nin imo. Yes this is true. Though in kind of the opposite way. Nin came in and made a splash, and trigger floated by. Crimson was a complete non-entity yesterday. I don't remember much of his posts, except for the weird asking kalor to role claim thing. He tends to play a low key scum, so he is on my radar. Town reading cabot, roy, and xam. Still think sorian is neutral. Corn, I am mostly null on. I'm still not sure why he asked kalor to name claim, even if he thought it was different from role claiming, why ask for this info? His vote on me is, fair enough, I wasn't trying yesterday, but that logic was real twisted. I am coming from a position where I know I'm town. squid I'm less sure on. He didn't have a lot of bite yesterday, and that vote on corn could be scum trying to capitalize on a townie posting something weird. |
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 11, 2016 17:03:47 GMT -8
Newbie's I'll read through tomorrow, wasn't paying attention to them yesterday.
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Post by Mazre on Jan 11, 2016 17:09:04 GMT -8
VOTE: ridli
More I consider it the more I like this course of action for now. I concur with Crimson's argument.
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Post by squidyj on Jan 11, 2016 17:47:19 GMT -8
because Corn built his argument out of the deaths last night which is something that can be spun in a million different ways. the fact that he's chosen this way to go with it and is pushing on using this 'information' so heavily suggests to me that he either has information about the kills or is using the kills as a mask for other information he has about Tim. Sure, tim seems like a reasonably suspect guy, but to derive that from the kills is insanity to my perspective. Fair point, probably all that needs to be said on the subject. i agree with that. |
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 11, 2016 17:47:59 GMT -8
CzarTim is town. Squidyj also looks town. Scrafty I'm still leaning scum on. Same reason as yesterday, she doesn't seem genuine and her reads look constructed. Nin's behavior was very weird. I need to see more from him. If I die tonight I recommend looking at Scrafty. From the list of people killed Sawneeks stuck out. She was probably my top town yesterday and I didn't see anyone suspicious of her apart from Corn's vote on her. Not using this as a weapon aganst Scrafty. She just looked like a much more obvious kill target for scum than the other victims. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 17:50:11 GMT -8
On asking Kalor to name claim:
Honestly I thought he had made a grave mistake as scum. Or was hoping for that anyway. By asking him to name claim I was hoping he'd slip up again.
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 17:54:59 GMT -8
I modified my gaf avatar! Enjoy Beach Ridley!
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 17:59:36 GMT -8
CzarTim is town. Squidyj also looks town. Scrafty I'm still leaning scum on. Same reason as yesterday, she doesn't seem genuine and her reads look constructed. Nin's behavior was very weird. I need to see more from him. If I die tonight I recommend looking at Scrafty. From the list of people killed Sawneeks stuck out. She was probably my top town yesterday and I didn't see anyone suspicious of her apart from Corn's vote on her. Not using this as a weapon aganst Scrafty. She just looked like a much more obvious kill target for scum than the other victims. If anything, the quoted looks more like a frame job than anything else. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 18:00:44 GMT -8
Honestly I have no idea where Sawneeks went with that Scrafty post. Wish she had explained.
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 11, 2016 18:05:32 GMT -8
Honestly I have no idea where Sawneeks went with that Scrafty post. Wish she had explained. She finds Scrafty suspicious. We can WIFOM to death on whether or not that means Scrafty killed her. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 18:21:28 GMT -8
Honestly I have no idea where Sawneeks went with that Scrafty post. Wish she had explained. She finds Scrafty suspicious. We can WIFOM to death on whether or not that means Scrafty killed her. Sure, but from my angle, Sawneeks is either town with no information thus her suspicion of Scrafty means very little. Or Sawneeks is scum and she would know whether Scrafty was on her team or not. In the first case, scum took advantage of a Sawneek's words so they could kill her and maybe we'd look at Scrafty. In the second case......I don't know, scum Sawneeks was setting up a Scrafty push today maybe? Either way, it's pointless to even quote that without even knowing Sawneek's alignment. -------- Where is Darryl, is he just going to sit on his Nin vote all day? |
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Post by squidyj on Jan 11, 2016 18:49:14 GMT -8
She finds Scrafty suspicious. We can WIFOM to death on whether or not that means Scrafty killed her. Sure, but from my angle, Sawneeks is either town with no information thus her suspicion of Scrafty means very little. Or Sawneeks is scum and she would know whether Scrafty was on her team or not. In the first case, scum took advantage of a Sawneek's words so they could kill her and maybe we'd look at Scrafty. In the second case......I don't know, scum Sawneeks was setting up a Scrafty push today maybe? Either way, it's pointless to even quote that without even knowing Sawneek's alignment. -------- Where is Darryl, is he just going to sit on his Nin vote all day? uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what? what do you know sorian? |
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 19:13:16 GMT -8
Welp. FF is all but done now, so I might as well jump in this game now. Haven't read the thread yet, so I'll just go off GAFia rule 1: Always be lynching Sorian. Vote: SorianThese are the two whose actions I have the most concerns about. I'm digging through all of their posts now, but basically it seems scummy to bandwagon on Sorian when he was at risk. I stated my reasons early for why I thought Sorian could be a useful lynch, and mostly stuck with it(goddamn I wish we had lynched an inactive instead of zipped, but I don't blame the zipped voters). These two basically did drive by shit posts to pile on, but Pop worries me the most. He knew he was safe from lynching due to FF, but could have seen an opportunity as Scum to get rid of Sorian at very little risk, cause surely scum wouldn't be so bold? If it fails, he just plays it off as a joke and we all lap it up. I don't buy it and we shouldn't excuse it. Vote: Pop-o-maticAside from him, there's just so much inactivity that scum could be hiding in as well. This could go the Werewolf route where we slowly cannibalize our active posters until there's barely a game being played. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 19:17:40 GMT -8
That's Pop's only post because he died! I'm an idiot.
Unvote: pop-o-matic
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 11, 2016 19:21:19 GMT -8
Thought experiment while I sleep:
Sans volcano I think we can agree there were probably more than one kills made tonight. Let's assume the volcano has to overlap with "regular" kills to remove role PM. The issue then is with "just" 9 kills the chance of the volcano overlapping 2 night kills (that may or may not be overlapping themselves) is 81/900 or 9%. If we have more than 2 night kills the probability is even lower (70% lower for every extra kill).
Seems to me like either we don't have a lot of "normal" night kills or the volcano removed role PMs from kills made by other actors.
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Post by triggergaf on Jan 11, 2016 19:34:10 GMT -8
I missed the end of the day yesterday without placing a vote. No intended strategy, just a little overwhelmed. The thread was moving at the speed of light and we had quite the crowd. Some thoughts:
-I don't think Xam is scum. I can't imagine that out of the blue claim helps them in any way. He's playing a lot like he was in Woof 2,which is to say really random.
-I think that Scrafty's survival through the night is suspicious, but it doesn't help town to possibly toss away a PR (unless I'm missing the implication from the whole "flip" post from yesterday?). I'd feel more confident if we knew Sawneeks's alignment. I'm not willing to lynch her though when there are other players that are more suspicious.
-Speaking of which, I think that dusksoldier is pretty high on my suspects list. He seemed pretty cool with lynching Sorian for information despite the likelihood that Sorian could be town and the value of such information being up in the air. His initial speculation of the nature of the spirits also strikes me as suspicious. I'm suspicious of ridli for similar reasons.
-I think we should trust Sorian for now. He's probably the only person who I don't really suspect for now besides Xam.
VOTE: dusksoldier
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Post by triggergaf on Jan 11, 2016 19:43:56 GMT -8
VOTE:dusksoldier Oops. Don't think I formatted my vote correctly. Thought experiment while I sleep: Sans volcano I think we can agree there were probably more than one kills made tonight. Let's assume the volcano has to overlap with "regular" kills to remove role PM. The issue then is with "just" 9 kills the chance of the volcano overlapping 2 night kills (that may or may not be overlapping themselves) is 81/900 or 9%. If we have more than 2 night kills the probability is even lower (70% lower for every extra kill). Seems to me like either we don't have a lot of "normal" night kills or the volcano removed role PMs from kills made by other actors. I feel like the volcano overrides the "normal" kill. Part of the punishment for upsetting the Volcano God. We won't know for sure until after another night passes. |
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Post by Coppanuva on Jan 11, 2016 19:46:47 GMT -8
I missed the end of the day yesterday without placing a vote. No intended strategy, just a little overwhelmed. The thread was moving at the speed of light and we had quite the crowd. Some thoughts: -I don't think Xam is scum. I can't imagine that out of the blue claim helps them in any way. He's playing a lot like he was in Woof 2,which is to say really random. -I think that Scrafty's survival through the night is suspicious, but it doesn't help town to possibly toss away a PR (unless I'm missing the implication from the whole "flip" post from yesterday?). I'd feel more confident if we knew Sawneeks's alignment. I'm not willing to lynch her though when there are other players that are more suspicious. -Speaking of which, I think that dusksoldier is pretty high on my suspects list. He seemed pretty cool with lynching Sorian for information despite the likelihood that Sorian could be town and the value of such information being up in the air. His initial speculation of the nature of the spirits also strikes me as suspicious. I'm suspicious of ridli for similar reasons. -I think we should trust Sorian for now. He's probably the only person who I don't really suspect for now besides Xam. VOTE: dusksoldier 1) You need that vote in a code tag. 2) I'm on board with trusting Sorian for the moment. I don't think we should be pressuring him into spilling info either, I trust him enough to know when his hiding of his info is for the good of the town. 3) DuskSoldier is an interesting choice. Really I'm kinda curious about anyone who was pushing for a vote on Sorian when he seemed like the only one who had some sort of information. I want to hear some logic and more from him, particularly about why he never decided to use his ability to move his vote despite posting it pretty early on. 4) Terrabyte I still want an answer when you finally come read this. 5) Sort of? I still want an answer from him on it. I'm willing to accept Xam's for the time being, but I want Terra to answer the same question I raised of him. Oh and for the sake of me using my vote and getting an answer when he finally shows up (OMG MY FIRST VOTE!) print "Vote: Terrabyte20xx"You forgot the semicolon  Python doesn't require semicolons |
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 19:50:05 GMT -8
I'm kind of irritated that people think I'm scum for guessing at some of the mechanics yesterday. Why would I do that if I were scum? The only way I'd have extra info was if it was in my role PM, and scum would be fucked the moment another scum flipped and revealed that source.
There's some really faulty logic in that line of thought.
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