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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 15:08:22 GMT -8
Also the list of night kills is very interesting: Blargonaut Hyperactivity Kalor Karu LaunchPadMcQ LoneProdigy Pop-O-Matic Sawneeks Swamped Launch is obvious. He posted nothing. So his death would have given us nothing. Scum didn't know that town would get 0 role information most likely. Blarg also is someone I would have picked. He was an actual threat in Election to me. Swamped sure I guess. I think Kalor was fairly active too. The rest wouldn't necessarily be my first picks. Why was Czar not killed? Or Sorian? Sorian possibly because you've "spent" your role if they believe you. Why is Kawl still alive? Kawl was contributing quite a lot yesterday. Does Czar legit always want to policy lynch Blarg? Or was that an act so that we wouldn't be suspicious of him if/when Blarg died via night kill? Or was Blarg killed so that we'd think Czar is scum potentially? But nobody really brought that up so... I don't think that's the case. I think the list is a combination of both Scum kills and the Volcano deaths, mentioned earlier. Sadly we have no PM to work with. Zipped said "bad things" but nothing else. Is the bad things the lack of role PMs from ALL night kills? Or is the bad things deaths + no PMs from ALL night kills? If the latter, why does Zipped effect non-volcano role PMs? |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 15:10:20 GMT -8
I think the list is a combination of both Scum kills and the Volcano deaths, mentioned earlier. Sadly we have no PM to work with. Zipped said "bad things" but nothing else. Is the bad things the lack of role PMs from ALL night kills? Or is the bad things deaths + no PMs from ALL night kills? If the latter, why does Zipped effect non-volcano role PMs? I think it's the latter. Lava is indiscriminate. It is more than happy to burn people who are already dead. |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 11, 2016 15:10:30 GMT -8
He said that we will not get his role pm if we lynch him though. I did not say that, don't misquote me. You'll get my PM when I am removed from the game permanently and not before then.
Also the list of night kills is very interesting: Blargonaut Hyperactivity Kalor Karu LaunchPadMcQ LoneProdigy Pop-O-Matic Sawneeks Swamped Launch is obvious. He posted nothing. So his death would have given us nothing. Scum didn't know that town would get 0 role information most likely. Blarg also is someone I would have picked. He was an actual threat in Election to me. Swamped sure I guess. I think Kalor was fairly active too. The rest wouldn't necessarily be my first picks. Why was Czar not killed? Or Sorian? Sorian possibly because you've "spent" your role if they believe you. Why is Kawl still alive? Kawl was contributing quite a lot yesterday. Does Czar legit always want to policy lynch Blarg? Or was that an act so that we wouldn't be suspicious of him if/when Blarg died via night kill? Or was Blarg killed so that we'd think Czar is scum potentially? But nobody really brought that up so... I don't think that's the case.
No, Tim has never seemed like the type to just go blazing for a policy lynch right away. He jokes about it but he usually actually analyzes the field when he is in a game. He didn't seem to care about that too much yesterday, I back off of him yesterday but my complaints against him still stand. Sorry about that, but just to make it clear : I do remember you saying lynching you will not permanently remove you from the game yet. Did I miss remember that? |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 15:12:17 GMT -8
I think the list is a combination of both Scum kills and the Volcano deaths, mentioned earlier. Sadly we have no PM to work with. Zipped said "bad things" but nothing else. Is the bad things the lack of role PMs from ALL night kills? Or is the bad things deaths + no PMs from ALL night kills? If the latter, why does Zipped effect non-volcano role PMs? I'm in the camp that thinks it's the first but at this point, I don't even know how answering that question would really help us. If a vig came forward and said they hit someone on that list then we can say "oh cool" but that list is so big that knowing that scum killed people from that list wouldn't mean much since we don't know what kills came from where. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 15:12:42 GMT -8
Like I can see why volcano based deaths have no role PM.
But why do:
When you die, volcano kills X people. Also no role PMs.
instead of:
When you die, volcano triggers killing X people. The volcano will consume their role PMs
The first just isn't good flavorwise. But the second isn't how things played out.
It is possible that deaths via role just produce NO PM, in all cases. Thus far we've only had information from lynch/modkill.
Alternatively, zipped's only role was generating a lack of PMs for this night and he is unconnected to the volcano.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 11, 2016 15:14:15 GMT -8
I have been pretty vocal about my desire to always policy lynch blarg. I truly despise his play style that much. But what scum team in their right mind would nk him? He's an easy distraction.
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 15:14:23 GMT -8
Sadly we have no PM to work with. Zipped said "bad things" but nothing else. Is the bad things the lack of role PMs from ALL night kills? Or is the bad things deaths + no PMs from ALL night kills? If the latter, why does Zipped effect non-volcano role PMs? I'm in the camp that thinks it's the first but at this point, I don't even know how answering that question would really help us. If a vig came forward and said they hit someone on that list then we can say "oh cool" but that list is so big that knowing that scum killed people from that list wouldn't mean much since we don't know what kills came from where. It is important to answer. If the deaths WEREN'T from Zipped triggering a volcano, and the only thing he did was deny us PM info, we can still draw info from the deaths that did and did not occur. If he did trigger the volcano on top of no PM, we get info only from the deaths that did not occur. And even that's fucked by the RNG aspect of the volcano. |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 15:15:01 GMT -8
Like I can see why volcano based deaths have no role PM. But why do: When you die, volcano kills X people. Also no role PMs.instead of: When you die, volcano triggers killing X people. The volcano will consume their role PMsThe first just isn't good flavorwise. But the second isn't how things played out. It is possible that deaths via role just produce NO PM, in all cases. Thus far we've only had information from lynch/modkill. Alternatively, zipped's only role was generating a lack of PMs for this night and he is unconnected to the volcano. Reason Volcano exploded is that Zipped, the Outsider, had the gall to stay on this part of the island and the God was having none of that .... I think Zipped is connected to the Volcano Eruption |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 15:15:08 GMT -8
I have been pretty vocal about my desire to always policy lynch blarg. I truly despise his play style that much. But what scum team in their right mind would nk him? He's an easy distraction. Czar, don't take this the wrong way, but I think you may be scum this game. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 15:16:03 GMT -8
I did not say that, don't misquote me. You'll get my PM when I am removed from the game permanently and not before then.
No, Tim has never seemed like the type to just go blazing for a policy lynch right away. He jokes about it but he usually actually analyzes the field when he is in a game. He didn't seem to care about that too much yesterday, I back off of him yesterday but my complaints against him still stand. Sorry about that, but just to make it clear : I do remember you saying lynching you will not permanently remove you from the game yet. Did I miss remember that? All I've said is that my second death will be a lot more interesting, I would prefer being night killed over being lynched, and that I wouldn't recommend someone from the town faction being the one to send out my NK (this role is scummy as fuck reading that sentence). Before the inevitable "why would you say all that if scum killing you would be a good thing?" Well I think I have higher utility being able to participate in the game and scum hunt and in all honesty, with the way everyone is getting demoralized at this point, I think I'm needed. Not going to beat around the bush on that one. |
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Post by dusksoldier on Jan 11, 2016 15:17:58 GMT -8
He can't, but his role pm probably can. This shit again? You and ridli. We need to lynch scum, not for information, more so now than yesterday.
We're not going to lynch scum without more information. Just tell us what you know. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 15:19:28 GMT -8
I'm in the camp that thinks it's the first but at this point, I don't even know how answering that question would really help us. If a vig came forward and said they hit someone on that list then we can say "oh cool" but that list is so big that knowing that scum killed people from that list wouldn't mean much since we don't know what kills came from where. It is important to answer. If the deaths WEREN'T from Zipped triggering a volcano, and the only thing he did was deny us PM info, we can still draw info from the deaths that did and did not occur. If he did trigger the volcano on top of no PM, we get info only from the deaths that did not occur. And even that's fucked by the RNG aspect of the volcano. I think the volcano erupted because of Zipped but I think all it did was char the already dead bodies of scum, vig, sk, whatever targets. Maybe it added another death or two, idk. I still firmly believe that all of these deaths would have had role PMs if Zipped didn't get lynched. We got fucked on his lynch but Splinter wouldn't just design a game where every single NK gave no role PMs, we caused this with our lynch choice.
Czar, don't take this the wrong way, but I think you may be scum this game.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 15:20:48 GMT -8
This shit again? You and ridli. We need to lynch scum, not for information, more so now than yesterday.
We're not going to lynch scum without more information. Just tell us what you know. There are multiple scum teams, spirit animals are important to scum because they are looking for particular animals (whether to kill or recruit, idk), the spirit animals are in groupings not everyone is unique.
I can repeat it again tomorrow if you'd like.
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 15:21:24 GMT -8
Ridli, did Sorian cause dishonor upon your family or what? You are out for his blood.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 15:22:08 GMT -8
Ridli, did Sorian cause dishonor upon your family or what? You are out for his blood. That's dusk now actually, why I would prefer if people had real avatars. It does feel like the exact same argument though. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 15:22:43 GMT -8
I wont beat around the bush.
Vote: Czartim
That's my vote, unless something better comes up.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 11, 2016 15:23:10 GMT -8
Sorry about that, but just to make it clear : I do remember you saying lynching you will not permanently remove you from the game yet. Did I miss remember that? All I've said is that my second death will be a lot more interesting, I would prefer being night killed over being lynched, and that I wouldn't recommend someone from the town faction being the one to send out my NK (this role is scummy as fuck reading that sentence). Before the inevitable "why would you say all that if scum killing you would be a good thing?" Well I think I have higher utility being able to participate in the game and scum hunt and in all honesty, with the way everyone is getting demoralized at this point, I think I'm needed. Not going to beat around the bush on that one. Can't disagree with the fact that people getting demoralized is bad for town and also makes the game a lot less fun to play in  Come on people, don't behave like we already lost! Always keep faith! |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 15:24:57 GMT -8
All I've said is that my second death will be a lot more interesting, I would prefer being night killed over being lynched, and that I wouldn't recommend someone from the town faction being the one to send out my NK (this role is scummy as fuck reading that sentence). Before the inevitable "why would you say all that if scum killing you would be a good thing?" Well I think I have higher utility being able to participate in the game and scum hunt and in all honesty, with the way everyone is getting demoralized at this point, I think I'm needed. Not going to beat around the bush on that one. Can't disagree with the fact that people getting demoralized is bad for town and also makes the game a lot less fun to play in Come on people, don't behave like we already lost! Always keep faith! Woof 2 was like this after the Arso boom |
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Post by squidyj on Jan 11, 2016 15:29:07 GMT -8
Dusksoldier is certainly skating by eh.
Analyzing these deaths is a sucker's game. we have no way to differentiate deaths even if someone was killed by mafia, sk, vig, whatever and we have no way of identifying a targeting pattern for the volcano. We know that they are dead, and we know that we don't know their roles, that's all, until we have further information about any of them there's nothing for us to discuss that doesn't amount to baseless speculation.
People who have been very interested in progressing and prolonging this discussion of the night deaths have been noted. none of you are getting christmas cards.
Anyways, the more cabot posts the less I like him, the more Dusksoldier posts the more I'm sure I'll like him so please post more dusksoldier. Ridli is just like this guy, you know? cornb. Not entirely feeling like killing sorian today, there's still too much up in the air. The one thing I find troubling is that his role or role claim comes with an in-built defense against why he wouldn't be targeted by scum but this hasn't changed since last day.
VOTE: Cornb
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 15:29:08 GMT -8
Alright guys, what do we have to work with? Besides dead bodies, of course
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 15:30:53 GMT -8
You've been on my ass since D1 squid. Why?
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 15:32:04 GMT -8
You've been on my ass since D1 squid. Why? Are you scum?
Asking for a friend because he might be your lost partner.
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 15:33:06 GMT -8
Will post detailed rationale in a few but
Vote: Squidyj
The fuck are you on about
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Post by squidyj on Jan 11, 2016 15:33:49 GMT -8
I'm in the camp that thinks it's the first but at this point, I don't even know how answering that question would really help us. If a vig came forward and said they hit someone on that list then we can say "oh cool" but that list is so big that knowing that scum killed people from that list wouldn't mean much since we don't know what kills came from where. It is important to answer. If the deaths WEREN'T from Zipped triggering a volcano, and the only thing he did was deny us PM info, we can still draw info from the deaths that did and did not occur. If he did trigger the volcano on top of no PM, we get info only from the deaths that did not occur. And even that's fucked by the RNG aspect of the volcano. in part because of shit like this. |
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Post by squidyj on Jan 11, 2016 15:34:11 GMT -8
Will post detailed rationale in a few but Vote: Squidyj The fuck are you on about be more specific. |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 15:35:17 GMT -8
Will post detailed rationale in a few but Vote: Squidyj The fuck are you on about be more specific. On mobile right now, waiting to get to laptop |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 15:37:20 GMT -8
It is important to answer. If the deaths WEREN'T from Zipped triggering a volcano, and the only thing he did was deny us PM info, we can still draw info from the deaths that did and did not occur. If he did trigger the volcano on top of no PM, we get info only from the deaths that did not occur. And even that's fucked by the RNG aspect of the volcano. in part because of shit like this. That's how I play. I like to speculate. I think there IS meaning in the deaths that did and did not occur. Sure, there's no concrete answers there. But there's no concrete answers anywhere right now. |
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Post by Splinter on Jan 11, 2016 15:37:44 GMT -8
CzarTim (1)CornBro 18338nin1000 (2)Bombay 18187Scrafty 18202ridli (1)CrimsonFist 18224ScraftyDevil (0)Sorian 18097squidyj (2)CornBro 18344Xamtheking 18349Trigger (1)Sorian 18168Xamtheking (0)CornBro 18198Not yet voted (13)Cabot 1Coppanuva 1CzarTim 1Dusk Soldier 1Kawl 1Mazre 1nin1000 1ridli 1roytheone 1Terrabyte20xx 1Trigger 1Ty4on 1ultron87 1*goes back into hiding*
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Post by dusksoldier on Jan 11, 2016 15:37:54 GMT -8
Trying to analyze the deaths and votes from yesterday. The only things that stand out to me as suspect are:
Cornbro voting for Hyperactivity, who later went on to die in the middle of the night. And Xam + Terrabyte switching votes at the last second when they had literally no reason too.
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Post by ridli on Jan 11, 2016 15:39:02 GMT -8
Ridli, did Sorian cause dishonor upon your family or what? You are out for his blood. That's dusk now actually, why I would prefer if people had real avatars. It does feel like the exact same argument though. Yeah, im still catching up but some fast points. Im basically treating like this like a new D1 of a 20ish player game. My reasoning for voting Sorian was much more solid than the other shitposts. Seeing that bullshit i probably would switched my vote yesterday cause i feel like some of them were scummy and just latching on. I dont currently intend to chase sorian again. Im amused that im now catching flak for guessing at some of the hidden game here when yesterday people were calling me a moron. Sorry people assumed I was a NEWBIE newbie and not just a gafia newbie. Dont cut me any breaks. That is all im going to say in my defense for that stuff. Better to spend my time hunting today rather than waste time on defense. Ill post some scum reads once im fully caught up. |
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Come on people, don't behave like we already lost! Always keep faith! 
