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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 14:21:44 GMT -8
I still want to push my ridli vote. I didn't really push it yesterday due to him being a new player, but since it's day 2 now: My reasoning for voting ridli is because I think he knew about multiple scum factions before Sorian said anything. I initially voted because he claimed that literally everything Sorian said after coming back to life was common sense. Whilst certain points could be speculated fine, multiple scum factions was something which had barely even been hinted at before that point. When I was reading his earlier posts, I noticed that he'd actually speculated the possibility of scum not all being on the same side before Sorian had even mentioned it. Seeing as it's not the most common mechanic in the world, I've only seen one other GAF game to use it, I'm not dismissing it as lucky guesswork, especially when he considered it "common sense" when Sorian bought it up. Therefore: Vote: ridliI was a staunch defender of ridli yesterday but I second your concerns here. Re-reading the thread over night and I softened completely on my stance of thinking he was town. I want words and action from coppa, ridli, nin, and trigger and in all honesty, ridli's bullshit reasoning for voting on me yesterday was lazy and half-hearted. I let it slide worrying that he was new but early posts from him yesterday on a second read made me realize that he was much more comfortable with the game than he was letting on. |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 14:21:50 GMT -8
Also, normalcy went out the fucking window last night.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 11, 2016 14:22:46 GMT -8
I agree, I don't quite sit right with me at the moment. Do you need to have counseling with yourself? Your honor, my client, that being I, has chosen to exercise his right to self-consolation. |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 14:28:43 GMT -8
Zipped played his role horribly by being busy on Sunday
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Post by Mazre on Jan 11, 2016 14:28:58 GMT -8
Checking in, have a conference call in a bit, will be back after that.
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 14:31:40 GMT -8
Why did LoC lie about his knowledge? Trying to sacrifice himself by putting a target on his back?
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 14:31:48 GMT -8
Zipped played his role horribly by being busy on Sunday Perhaps don't drive by lynch on a Sunday if you are too busy to defend yourself. |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 14:33:14 GMT -8
Zipped played his role horribly by being busy on Sunday Perhaps don't drive by lynch on a Sunday if you are too busy to defend yourself. Good point, actually |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 14:37:42 GMT -8
I wasn't planning to claim today, the giant fucking volcano pushed me forward
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 14:39:23 GMT -8
I wasn't planning to claim today, the giant fucking volcano pushed me forward Literally nothing pushed you forward. From your play in FF, I thought you learned some lessons from werewolf but I was mistaken, you were only careful in FF because you were scum and had a smaller team to think about. |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 14:41:25 GMT -8
I wasn't planning to claim today, the giant fucking volcano pushed me forward Literally nothing pushed you forward. From your play in FF, I thought you learned some lessons from werewolf but I was mistaken, you were only careful in FF because you were scum and had a smaller team to think about. I think I've also fallen into a playstyle trap; I play more cautiously if I'm a PR of any alignment. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 14:44:47 GMT -8
Literally nothing pushed you forward. From your play in FF, I thought you learned some lessons from werewolf but I was mistaken, you were only careful in FF because you were scum and had a smaller team to think about. I think I've also fallen into a playstyle trap; I play more cautiously if I'm a PR of any alignment. Declaring yourself ordinary town isn't cautious. It is an active detriment to the entire town faction. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 14:47:34 GMT -8
isn't not cautious.
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 14:47:46 GMT -8
I think I've also fallen into a playstyle trap; I play more cautiously if I'm a PR of any alignment. Declaring yourself ordinary town isn't cautious. It is an active detriment to the entire town faction. I would argue it can definitely help in certain instances. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 14:48:29 GMT -8
I think I've also fallen into a playstyle trap; I play more cautiously if I'm a PR of any alignment. Declaring yourself ordinary town isn't cautious. It is an active detriment to the entire town faction. Corn, focus up the anger. We aren't policy lynching today, for all we know, we are 11 people down in a 31 person game and all 11 might be town. That's worst case scenario but one that we need to account for. Give us your thoughts, I don't think Xam is actually scum and I get the feeling you don't either. |
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Post by Coppanuva on Jan 11, 2016 14:48:54 GMT -8
I wasn't planning to claim today, the giant fucking volcano pushed me forward Don't buy it. But you're also not really on my radar at the moment regardless. Policy lynch with this little knowledge isn't quite worth it. I hate that move, but not enough to jeopardize success in its stead. That said, I have a question for you and Terra. Both of you were near last minute switches to the vote on Zipped. You, Xam, were on Scrafty before who at the time you switched voting was at 5 votes to 8 (if I'm reading the sheet correctly). Your switch moved it from 4-9, why the last minute switch? Were you less convinced of Scrafty at that point, or did you just want to join the pack?
The same thing goes for you Terra. You switched from Sorian (who had 4 votes at the time, compared to Zipped's 7). You said you did it to avoid a tie, moving it to a 3-8 differential. The point is, neither of the candidates you two had votes on were THAT close to forcing a tie. Why did you feel compelled to join the lump in on Zipped? |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 14:51:07 GMT -8
I wasn't planning to claim today, the giant fucking volcano pushed me forward Don't buy it. But you're also not really on my radar at the moment regardless. Policy lynch with this little knowledge isn't quite worth it. I hate that move, but not enough to jeopardize success in its stead. That said, I have a question for you and Terra. Both of you were near last minute switches to the vote on Zipped. You, Xam, were on Scrafty before who at the time you switched voting was at 5 votes to 8 (if I'm reading the sheet correctly). Your switch moved it from 4-9, why the last minute switch? Were you less convinced of Scrafty at that point, or did you just want to join the pack?
The same thing goes for you Terra. You switched from Sorian (who had 4 votes at the time, compared to Zipped's 7). You said you did it to avoid a tie, moving it to a 3-8 differential. The point is, neither of the candidates you two had votes on were THAT close to forcing a tie. Why did you feel compelled to join the lump in on Zipped? I wanted to make sure we didn't have a tie, and at the time of my vote I believe Sorian was in a tie for most votes with someone else |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 14:51:38 GMT -8
Lynch me or whatever. I'll post again tomorrow maybe.
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 14:52:29 GMT -8
Lynch me or whatever. I'll post again tomorrow maybe. Why would we lynch you? |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 14:57:30 GMT -8
Also, if it wasn't a bastard game before, it is now
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Post by dusksoldier on Jan 11, 2016 14:57:59 GMT -8
Sorian can you tell us anything new? He can't, but his role pm probably can. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 14:58:05 GMT -8
Declaring yourself ordinary town isn't cautious. It is an active detriment to the entire town faction. Corn, focus up the anger. We aren't policy lynching today, for all we know, we are 11 people down in a 31 person game and all 11 might be town. That's worst case scenario but one that we need to account for. Give us your thoughts, I don't think Xam is actually scum and I get the feeling you don't either. Can you explain why you don't think Xam is scum? I'm actually not convinced he is going for intentionally poor play. I think he's actively trying to discourage people, and boost the damage of the "10 deaths no pm" fiasco. Other contenders for scum include Riddi in my mind. Riddi was going after easy targets yesterday. I did think Terrabyte might be scum. The vote on Zipped isn't good, but he did change his vote ostensibly to prevent a tie. |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 11, 2016 15:01:59 GMT -8
Sorian can you tell us anything new? He can't, but his role pm probably can. He said that we will not get his role pm if we lynch him though. |
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Post by squidyj on Jan 11, 2016 15:02:36 GMT -8
Lynch me or whatever. I'll post again tomorrow maybe. Why would we lynch you? because he's actually just scum. that's why. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 15:03:54 GMT -8
Also the list of night kills is very interesting:
Blargonaut
Hyperactivity
Kalor
Karu
LaunchPadMcQ
LoneProdigy
Pop-O-Matic
Sawneeks
Swamped
Launch is obvious. He posted nothing. So his death would have given us nothing. Scum didn't know that town would get 0 role information most likely.
Blarg also is someone I would have picked. He was an actual threat in Election to me.
Swamped sure I guess. I think Kalor was fairly active too.
The rest wouldn't necessarily be my first picks. Why was Czar not killed? Or Sorian? Sorian possibly because you've "spent" your role if they believe you. Why is Kawl still alive? Kawl was contributing quite a lot yesterday.
Does Czar legit always want to policy lynch Blarg? Or was that an act so that we wouldn't be suspicious of him if/when Blarg died via night kill? Or was Blarg killed so that we'd think Czar is scum potentially? But nobody really brought that up so... I don't think that's the case.
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 15:03:58 GMT -8
because he's actually just scum. that's why. Care to elaborate? |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 15:04:13 GMT -8
Sorian can you tell us anything new? He can't, but his role pm probably can. This shit again? You and ridli. We need to lynch scum, not for information, more so now than yesterday.
Can you explain why you don't think Xam is scum? I'm actually not convinced he is going for intentionally poor play. I think he's actively trying to discourage people, and boost the damage of the "10 deaths no pm" fiasco. Other contenders for scum include Riddi in my mind. Riddi was going after easy targets yesterday. I did think Terrabyte might be scum. The vote on Zipped isn't good, but he did change his vote ostensibly to prevent a tie. Haven't really though he was scum all game and bad play (no offense) is not a #scumtell in most cases. I'm not seeing it, now that I've seen his town play and his scum play, I'm more sure in saying that this isn't staged, this is him "caring" less because he has the anonymity of not know who his teammates are so he is thinking of himself first.
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 11, 2016 15:05:14 GMT -8
Also the list of night kills is very interesting: Blargonaut Hyperactivity Kalor Karu LaunchPadMcQ LoneProdigy Pop-O-Matic Sawneeks Swamped Launch is obvious. He posted nothing. So his death would have given us nothing. Scum didn't know that town would get 0 role information most likely. Blarg also is someone I would have picked. He was an actual threat in Election to me. Swamped sure I guess. I think Kalor was fairly active too. The rest wouldn't necessarily be my first picks. Why was Czar not killed? Or Sorian? Sorian possibly because you've "spent" your role if they believe you. Why is Kawl still alive? Kawl was contributing quite a lot yesterday. Does Czar legit always want to policy lynch Blarg? Or was that an act so that we wouldn't be suspicious of him if/when Blarg died via night kill? Or was Blarg killed so that we'd think Czar is scum potentially? But nobody really brought that up so... I don't think that's the case. I think the list is a combination of both Scum kills and the Volcano deaths, mentioned earlier. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 11, 2016 15:06:03 GMT -8
Like Czar basically brought town victory in Woof2. I mean scum fucked up, but they could have wormed their way out of it. Czar was necessarily to secure that win. I'd have been submitting the night kill for him ASAP. Yet he's alive.
And if you were scum, and Czar was town and you don't kill him, then why kill Blarg? If Czar's "tunneling" on Blarg isn't a mere act why kill the thing that makes him less useful in scum hunting?
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Post by Sorian on Jan 11, 2016 15:06:37 GMT -8
He can't, but his role pm probably can. He said that we will not get his role pm if we lynch him though. I did not say that, don't misquote me. You'll get my PM when I am removed from the game permanently and not before then.
Also the list of night kills is very interesting: Blargonaut Hyperactivity Kalor Karu LaunchPadMcQ LoneProdigy Pop-O-Matic Sawneeks Swamped Launch is obvious. He posted nothing. So his death would have given us nothing. Scum didn't know that town would get 0 role information most likely. Blarg also is someone I would have picked. He was an actual threat in Election to me. Swamped sure I guess. I think Kalor was fairly active too. The rest wouldn't necessarily be my first picks. Why was Czar not killed? Or Sorian? Sorian possibly because you've "spent" your role if they believe you. Why is Kawl still alive? Kawl was contributing quite a lot yesterday. Does Czar legit always want to policy lynch Blarg? Or was that an act so that we wouldn't be suspicious of him if/when Blarg died via night kill? Or was Blarg killed so that we'd think Czar is scum potentially? But nobody really brought that up so... I don't think that's the case.
No, Tim has never seemed like the type to just go blazing for a policy lynch right away. He jokes about it but he usually actually analyzes the field when he is in a game. He didn't seem to care about that too much yesterday, I back off of him yesterday but my complaints against him still stand. |
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