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Post by Swamped on Jan 10, 2016 9:30:19 GMT -8
Voting for more information on D1 isn't a bad strategy Roy. Sorian says we won't get anything useful from his flip, but he also lies a lot (regardless of his alignment). Tbh I didn't pay super close attention to what he said after resurrection, so i really should reread him before i decide he could be a viable candidate for lynching. I never said it was a bad strategy, but it is also an easy strategy for scum to hide behind. So i don't have a problem with ridli voting for information, but I would like to at least hear who he thinks is scum in addition to that. He talks about mechanics, inactives and voting for information, but not about who he thinks is scum. That's a good point. Would like to hear his opinion as he seems fairly active and is leading the votes apparently. Also, keep it coming Kawl. I did chuckle at the self analysis post though lol.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 10, 2016 9:31:16 GMT -8
I mean, even with it being a bastard game, why would scum have a role that causes them to die and come back? Neutral / town makes more sense.
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Post by karu on Jan 10, 2016 9:35:07 GMT -8
I did answer you the best I could: Fuck my life, yes, sorry The "Who quoted you-"feature is really nice, though. To your answer: Okay. Looking at it that way, would at least hint at a beneficial twist for town. The doctor has one, obviously, thus the Player may have to act accordingly. As I understand the animal is just an information someone gets, right? Unless someone feels bored and just gives it away, the mechanic is completely taken out. Whatever, they will be roles interacting with the animals on both sides, presumably. That's that. Moving on. Finally back home, though. #trainridessuck
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 10, 2016 9:38:07 GMT -8
I mean, even with it being a bastard game, why would scum have a role that causes them to die and come back? Neutral / town makes more sense. I agree with this. Having a scum we basically need to kill multiple times to remove him would be way too powerful.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 10, 2016 9:42:12 GMT -8
I never said it was a bad strategy, but it is also an easy strategy for scum to hide behind. So i don't have a problem with ridli voting for information, but I would like to at least hear who he thinks is scum in addition to that. He talks about mechanics, inactives and voting for information, but not about who he thinks is scum. That's a good point. Would like to hear his opinion as he seems fairly active and is leading the votes apparently. Also, keep it coming Kawl. I did chuckle at the self analysis post though lol. Who's opinion do you want to hear? Unsure if this post was to me or someone else.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 10, 2016 9:45:29 GMT -8
Actually, I think you mean Ridli but regardless, I'm still thinking of what I want to do (not going to try to convince everyone of something today because, honestly, with 31 people, there is just so much sitting in the background. I still don't like that Tim was pushing for an easy policy lynch and has sarcastically said he would be checking out for a few days. It's unhelpful and won't get us anywhere. He also keeps throwing it back towards inactives instead of talking about what is actually on the plate (for the most part, he at least comments on me a few times). I voted on him originally to push inactivity but honestly, I see no reason to move my vote.
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Post by Pop-O-Matic on Jan 10, 2016 9:52:50 GMT -8
Welp. FF is all but done now, so I might as well jump in this game now. Haven't read the thread yet, so I'll just go off GAFia rule 1: Always be lynching Sorian.
Vote: Sorian
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 10, 2016 10:02:26 GMT -8
Actually, I think you mean Ridli but regardless, I'm still thinking of what I want to do (not going to try to convince everyone of something today because, honestly, with 31 people, there is just so much sitting in the background. I still don't like that Tim was pushing for an easy policy lynch and has sarcastically said he would be checking out for a few days. It's unhelpful and won't get us anywhere. He also keeps throwing it back towards inactives instead of talking about what is actually on the plate (for the most part, he at least comments on me a few times). I voted on him originally to push inactivity but honestly, I see no reason to move my vote. What is on the plate, fam? I've stated I wouldn't vote for you or LoC today and I've listed people I'd vote for. Be specific on what I've failed to do. Why are you giving blarg a pass? Why is nin allowed to not contribute and purposefully antagonize me when I simply asked him for reads yet I am not allowed to reply sarcastically? How am I bringing it back to inactives when I specifically stated I wouldn't vote for the inactives cabot said he'd vote for? Who are your next two vote choices besides me?
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Post by Kawl on Jan 10, 2016 10:02:50 GMT -8
This is a two for one special given that Mazre was short and sweet to analyze.
First off he only had 2 posts which could be considered fluff, so at least when he does posts its relevant stuff. Leans more towards discussing mechanics than scum hunting but that's been true for all players I've looked at thus far.
His first few posts are pre game discussing tied vote blah blah not important.
Then he comments on kalor's issue with the name from PM, and says its a maybe for indicating that he is non town, possibly neutral. I find his opinion pretty valid as he came from heist where he made a similar mistake and was indeed neutral. Something to keep in mind.
Comments on day counter (extra town loss condition he says), votes for nin (testing out mystery gafia player dealio), joins in on some of the town win condition discussion with Xam, and does a breakdown of Sorian's info, what can and cannot be confirmed, with the caveat that he isn't saying that he does or does not believe sorian or thinks that he is or is not scum.
I also don't know what he means by grade a fud. Is that some new age slang?
Overall, Mazre has given up a limited amount of information even for his posts counts with almost entirely very short posts. Despite this I lean town on him due to the discussion with Xam.
Scrafty remains my most suspicious person as of now.
Hyperactivity:
Another pretty quick person to run through.
Slightly more fluff than Mazre but still low fluff. Mostly mechanic discussion but a wee bit of scum hunting.
He opens with a bit of discussion on double lynch, followed by some kill count speculation tying into number of scum (thinks 5-6 over 7-8, but with an SK or 2 kills in play). Some fluff about sorians death, fluff about spirit animals (dogs v cats).
The rest of his posts pretty much focus only on sorian. Since most of his posts came in the first 12 hours or so that makes sense as Sorian's death and resurrection were the main topics of discussion.
He runs through the options of scum sorian, calls sorian dumb he if self rezz'd that quick with access to dead thread, that sorian has set himself up as ideal NK, doesn't like Sorian's claim that death works differntly for him, considers rez being some one else's role, 100% doesn't trust Sorian, and then thinks he may be either 3rd party or lying (lying seems reasonable given that it is Sorian). Says again that if he was mafia he would be killing Sorian tonight.
His last post day 1 was "going back to reread thread" then fell off until this mornings post "sorry for being absent". For now a null read given he hasn't had a chance to react to all the new info, but if activity doesn't pick up he jumps up my lists of suspects given how active he usually is.
Kalor remains to be looked at in another post. Scrafty still sits at my top of suspects but think I'm going to also loook at CzarTim and maybe LoC in detail depending on how much time I want to continue to spend.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jan 10, 2016 10:06:01 GMT -8
page 21/35
I have a couple suggestion for Retro about outer gafia once i finish this
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Post by cornb on Jan 10, 2016 10:26:39 GMT -8
Personally I think Sorian is a bad pick even if we want info. We have no idea if he'll produce a role PM upon death. His false death didn't, but that could mean either he never produces a PM as part of his role, only the fake death doesn't, or that nobody will ever produce a role PM upon death.
Going after someone else will confirm whether it is the third case. I feel a Sorian lynch is only worth the risk after confirming that or not.
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Post by Splinter on Jan 10, 2016 10:27:17 GMT -8
page 21/35 I have a couple suggestion for Retro about outer gafia once i finish this Suggestion 1: Do not under any circumstance allow 30+ player games
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 10, 2016 10:28:54 GMT -8
It's 75/25 info/scum for Sorian. Otherwise, it's Day 1, where everyone is grasping desperately at straws. I can't call anyone scum until we actually have some voting or other info to go off. A lot of you seem to be going based on past reads which i'm not comfortable doing. Statistically a good chance the flip today will provide no extra info beyond reading my own role pm, so I'd rather poke at this resurrection business to see whats going on. We may be desperately grasping at straws, but which straw people decide to grasp onto and which they decide to ignore could help us to find scum when we have more information later. The votes are pretty close right now, scum will probably not risk it to accidental cause an unneeded bandwagon on a partner.
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Post by LordofCastamere on Jan 10, 2016 10:29:46 GMT -8
Eh. I'm not sure. Err...
Vote:Trigger
Low activity, but reading. No votes, not much speculation. Safe posts. Blending.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 10, 2016 10:30:14 GMT -8
page 21/35 I have a couple suggestion for Retro about outer gafia once i finish this Ban El topo?
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Post by Sorian on Jan 10, 2016 10:37:36 GMT -8
Actually, I think you mean Ridli but regardless, I'm still thinking of what I want to do (not going to try to convince everyone of something today because, honestly, with 31 people, there is just so much sitting in the background. I still don't like that Tim was pushing for an easy policy lynch and has sarcastically said he would be checking out for a few days. It's unhelpful and won't get us anywhere. He also keeps throwing it back towards inactives instead of talking about what is actually on the plate (for the most part, he at least comments on me a few times). I voted on him originally to push inactivity but honestly, I see no reason to move my vote. What is on the plate, fam? I've stated I wouldn't vote for you or LoC today and I've listed people I'd vote for. Be specific on what I've failed to do. Why are you giving blarg a pass? Why is nin allowed to not contribute and purposefully antagonize me when I simply asked him for reads yet I am not allowed to reply sarcastically? How am I bringing it back to inactives when I specifically stated I wouldn't vote for the inactives cabot said he'd vote for? Who are your next two vote choices besides me? Xam and Kalor's non-sense early on (confusion in role PMs), Darryl's hard stance on me and then new hard stance on Nin, this bubbling of newbie sacrifice that I see cropping up, Roy being a topic of debate which is new for him since he is usually a wall flower early on, etc. Blarg has never proven to be high utility on the first day, he is more useful as time goes on. I'm not into policy lynching because you find him annoying. Nin's responses are bugging me too but you don't usually get sarcastic until you've given up with a game or otherwise are annoyed by something happening in the game (maybe your claim of all the soft claims earlier bugging you was true, maybe not). Nin, on the otherhand, is usually sarcastic the whole way through and would have made for a smarter policy lynch IMO but I don't like policy lynching the first day, it gets us nothing in reads unless we happen to choose a scum out of the hat. Correct me if I'm wrong but you keep comparing Blarg to people like Launch and Pop who hadn't posted anything at the time (Pop has no but his post is worthless), you were trying to sell Blarg as an inactive policy lynch, the fact that it doesn't bother you with some but bothers you with others seems more telling IMO. Xam still gives me a weird vibe since he seemed to be reading his role PM so much differently than the rest of us. I hate to do the same thing I did in NV but I find it weird that he was so confused by banish all evil spirits, appease volcano. After that, I'm shakier. Dusk comes to mind because he has posted but they've been so inconsequential that I hardly remember what he's said. Hyper also comes to mind because his activity has seemed like an act but I don't question RL stuff so I'm not bothering on that right now. If anything, I'm at least fairly certain that Ridli is town, it's rare that scum (even as a newbie) would push so many bad ideas that are universally getting panned and still keep it going. He doesn't seem to have back up to me so I guess I shouldn't say town and just say that I don't think he is scum. Darryl is being consistent as well which doesn't say he is town but it's what I've come to expect. And actually, Squidy would be my other top scum with Xam. I just remembered that he has been acting very odd with how passive he has been. It almost seems purposeful which I find odd. I know I had corn before but he's kind of disappeared and I can't say I had the strongest read on him at the time so he has gone more null read at this point.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jan 10, 2016 10:38:21 GMT -8
page 21/35 I have a couple suggestion for Retro about outer gafia once i finish this Suggestion 1: Do not under any circumstance allow 30+ player games that, plus go back to the top when loading the next page, and maybe top and bottom buttons Those are really the main things though
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Post by Sorian on Jan 10, 2016 10:39:19 GMT -8
Personally I think Sorian is a bad pick even if we want info. We have no idea if he'll produce a role PM upon death. His false death didn't, but that could mean either he never produces a PM as part of his role, only the fake death doesn't, or that nobody will ever produce a role PM upon death. Going after someone else will confirm whether it is the third case. I feel a Sorian lynch is only worth the risk after confirming that or not. If it makes you feel any better, I'm 95% sure that other people will produce a role PM on death (idk if anyone else has weird stipulations like I did) and if I am lynched I will also produce a role PM though it won't have anything that I learned while dead in it (this kind of answers your question earlier of why I wasn't just supplied with info from the get go, it's not in my role PM, it's somewhere else).
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Post by Kawl on Jan 10, 2016 10:44:52 GMT -8
Last of the clustered posters:
Kalor
some fluff, mostly mechanics, a bit of scum hunt (3,9,3). Pretty typical stuff.
He opens up by voting for Xam (later says this was rng) and putting his foot in his mouth regarding "wonder who we are up against" gaffe.
Realizes his mistake 7 minutes later (enough time for scum buddies to prompt him?) and retracts that question.
Says double vote is risky, thinks scum would screw it up, and that we would need safeguards in place (in my mind it provides more information, if scum screws it up, scum is outed, etc etc)
Defends his slip up as him having merely skimmed the role pm, but acknowledges that it is a bit sketchy. honestmistake.exe
Says he can't reveal his name without revealing everything, but does correctly answer the question of who we are up against now. (don't consider his statement a soft claim, and think a soft claim would have been easy to give at this point)
He brings up the possibility of Sorian being not actually dead prior to his resurrection.
He comments on the current lynch options, saying that he doesn't have any strong feelings, needs to reread thread, and remembers being suspicious of Roy for some reason he can't recall, although he does say that he is not suspicious of Scrafty though he can "understand other's reasoning for it" which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Says his gut feeling is positive on Scrafty mainly due to her willingness to die and providing info to town via flip. I find that reasoning pretty flimsy as she does it early, which Kalor takes as a further good sign, but its all lip service until Scrafty actually comes close to being lynched imo. If she maintains that position as the heat is turned up later in the game I might give it more credence.
Then says hes been busy, final vote as of now is moving his vote to ridli, as he feels most of his posts are focused on either mechanics or sorian, especially highlighting ridli's move to offer himself up in a double lynch with Sorian kind of randomly. He now says Xam was a random vote (which was semi obvious given how early the vote was, but still first mention of it being rng this late, might be trying to distance that vote from his accountability?). I tend to agree with Sorian that ridli strikes me as a townie trying to be helpful.
So on the whole there's a decent amount of logic and arguments coming form Kalor that I don't really agree with but I'm still leaning town on him. He was quick to fix his mistake and answer the name of scum later on, and his not revealing any info when feeling some pressure gets him a positive slight read for now.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 10, 2016 10:47:51 GMT -8
Suggestion 1: Do not under any circumstance allow 30+ player games that, plus go back to the top when loading the next page, and maybe top and bottom buttons Those are really the main things thoughYea as some one who did the bulk of reading on mobile, I'd agree with both of these points strongly. I know they've already been doing a lot to make the forum more usable, just wanted to provide another voice of agreement.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 10, 2016 10:48:49 GMT -8
Vote: ScraftyDevil
Reasoning is above, the biggest thing sticking out is her soft claim tbh.
Going to take a break to grab some food and watch some football, should hopefully get around to Tim and LoC after that.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 10, 2016 10:52:26 GMT -8
Kawl very much seems like he is putting on a show. The research looks like it is on point though so it may just be his analytical style. Just something I'm noticing. Can't say I, personally, agree with a Scrafty vote though. I didn't like her claiming useless but it seemed sincere.
Side bar: I'm switching over to mobile soon and will be that way for the rest of the day. I'll be around at time though just smaller posts since mobile is annoying.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Jan 10, 2016 10:54:05 GMT -8
Kawl very much seems like he is putting on a show. The research looks like it is on point though so it may just be his analytical style. Just something I'm noticing. Can't say I, personally, agree with a Scrafty vote though. I didn't like her claiming useless but it seemed sincere. Side bar: I'm switching over to mobile soon and will be that way for the rest of the day. I'll be around at time though just smaller posts since mobile is annoying. I never claimed I was useless, luv. Simply that at this point in the proceedings, I could tell you more with my flip than with my mouth.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 10, 2016 10:55:21 GMT -8
Kawl very much seems like he is putting on a show. The research looks like it is on point though so it may just be his analytical style. Just something I'm noticing. Can't say I, personally, agree with a Scrafty vote though. I didn't like her claiming useless but it seemed sincere. Side bar: I'm switching over to mobile soon and will be that way for the rest of the day. I'll be around at time though just smaller posts since mobile is annoying. I get that a lot, so meh. Also, well that's the thing with Scrafty. Either she is worthless (which in my mind is vanilla) or her role is something that corroborated Roy's theory that roles weren't randomly assigned. I'm not sure if both of these could be true.
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Post by karu on Jan 10, 2016 11:00:54 GMT -8
So...
CornB got off my list for now after rereading his posts.
Ultron definitely didn't. Kept posting mostly in regards to Sorian and *Splinter's intentions with the special rule/making jokes etc. That's fine, as the sole angle of all your arguments too weak.
zippedpinhead - what? Drive-by-vote (without mentioning him once before), a third of his posts can be cut because of voting errors. Well, nothing to go on hear. Encourages Sharing of Animals early on. Votes on Mystery Player. I do not like this one bit.
Non reads/inactive players: Trigger, LaunchPad, Blarg, Coppa (obv), DuskSoldier (His reasoning for killing Sorian is bs - not that Sorian should necessarily live, but one can do better than "He will survive anyway, IMMORTAL!), Hyperactivity, Kalor (Quiet after his supposed slipup - but doesn't really contradict with what I have seen from him in general during this game)
Will do the other list half later.
Currently leaning towards the two mentioned above seperately. Placing my Vote on
zipplepinhead
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Post by karu on Jan 10, 2016 11:02:32 GMT -8
Yes. Yes, indeed. After saying a third of zip's posts were due to Voting-error, I make what? An voting error. omg. :-( VOTE: zippedpinhead
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Post by Kalor on Jan 10, 2016 11:05:08 GMT -8
So... CornB got off my list for now after rereading his posts. Ultron definitely didn't. Kept posting mostly in regards to Sorian and *Splinter's intentions with the special rule/making jokes etc. That's fine, as the sole angle of all your arguments too weak. zippedpinhead - what? Drive-by-vote (without mentioning him once before), a third of his posts can be cut because of voting errors. Well, nothing to go on hear. Encourages Sharing of Animals early on. Votes on Mystery Player. I do not like this one bit. Non reads/inactive players: Trigger, LaunchPad, Blarg, Coppa (obv), DuskSoldier (His reasoning for killing Sorian is bs - not that Sorian should necessarily live, but one can do better than "He will survive anyway, IMMORTAL!), Hyperactivity, Kalor (Quiet after his supposed slipup - but doesn't really contradict with what I have seen from him in general during this game) Will do the other list half later. Currently leaning towards the two mentioned above seperately. Placing my Vote on zipplepinhead I was going through his posts earlier and he doesn't encourage sharing out spirit animals. In fact he explicitly says not to share them. Sure he brought them up as a point of discussion but someone had to at some point.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 10, 2016 11:09:23 GMT -8
Kawl very much seems like he is putting on a show. The research looks like it is on point though so it may just be his analytical style. Just something I'm noticing. Can't say I, personally, agree with a Scrafty vote though. I didn't like her claiming useless but it seemed sincere. Side bar: I'm switching over to mobile soon and will be that way for the rest of the day. I'll be around at time though just smaller posts since mobile is annoying. I never claimed I was useless, luv. Simply that at this point in the proceedings, I could tell you more with my flip than with my mouth. I'm misunderstanding then. Though I can't see how your death supplies something your words can't but I'm still reading slight town from your regardless. This isn't a call to hint at anything further btw.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jan 10, 2016 11:17:57 GMT -8
Page 32/35
LoC be careful
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 10, 2016 11:18:21 GMT -8
Xam and Kalor's non-sense early on (confusion in role PMs), Darryl's hard stance on me and then new hard stance on Nin, this bubbling of newbie sacrifice that I see cropping up, Roy being a topic of debate which is new for him since he is usually a wall flower early on, etc. Blarg has never proven to be high utility on the first day, he is more useful as time goes on. I'm not into policy lynching because you find him annoying. Nin's responses are bugging me too but you don't usually get sarcastic until you've given up with a game or otherwise are annoyed by something happening in the game (maybe your claim of all the soft claims earlier bugging you was true, maybe not). Nin, on the otherhand, is usually sarcastic the whole way through and would have made for a smarter policy lynch IMO but I don't like policy lynching the first day, it gets us nothing in reads unless we happen to choose a scum out of the hat. Correct me if I'm wrong but you keep comparing Blarg to people like Launch and Pop who hadn't posted anything at the time (Pop has no but his post is worthless), you were trying to sell Blarg as an inactive policy lynch, the fact that it doesn't bother you with some but bothers you with others seems more telling IMO. Xam still gives me a weird vibe since he seemed to be reading his role PM so much differently than the rest of us. I hate to do the same thing I did in NV but I find it weird that he was so confused by banish all evil spirits, appease volcano. After that, I'm shakier. Dusk comes to mind because he has posted but they've been so inconsequential that I hardly remember what he's said. Hyper also comes to mind because his activity has seemed like an act but I don't question RL stuff so I'm not bothering on that right now. If anything, I'm at least fairly certain that Ridli is town, it's rare that scum (even as a newbie) would push so many bad ideas that are universally getting panned and still keep it going. He doesn't seem to have back up to me so I guess I shouldn't say town and just say that I don't think he is scum. Darryl is being consistent as well which doesn't say he is town but it's what I've come to expect. And actually, Squidy would be my other top scum with Xam. I just remembered that he has been acting very odd with how passive he has been. It almost seems purposeful which I find odd. I know I had corn before but he's kind of disappeared and I can't say I had the strongest read on him at the time so he has gone more null read at this point. Thank you for being specific. - I did comment on the Kalor thing. I am willing to look past the PM thing because I too tend to skim that fluff stuff and rarely take it in. It's kalor's passivity since then that is why he is on my would vote list. - I did comment on the darryl / you thing, I told him his logic was laughably bad. I am null reading him aside from that. - I never vote for newbies on day one. Ever. - I did comment on roy and stated I would vote for him, and backed off due to the soft claim. I am still suspicious of him though, just not eager to vote for him today. - I too do not put a lot of effort into the early game. Ask anyone in woof 2. It's bs that you are giving blarg a pass for meta reasons while riding my ass when my meta applies just as well. I tend to not put effort into the game until mid game. - I told you nin was annoying me and you claim I only get sarcastic when annoyed so what's the problem here? - "Correct me if I'm wrong but you keep comparing Blarg to people like Launch and Pop" Completely incorrect, I said after a bunch of posts blarg has been as helpful as those who have never posted. I never claimed blarg was inactive, just unhelpful and a person who will hurt town regardless of his alignment. I stand by that completely and will continue to stand by it in every game we're both in unless his playstyle drastically changes. - Xam I am null, slightly town, reading mostly for meta reasons.
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