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Post by cabot on Jan 10, 2016 8:24:16 GMT -8
Also your information is faulty, you list Launch as ultra low, but he hasnt actually posted since the game began.
Can I add that to my big dumb dumb counts list?
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Post by ridli on Jan 10, 2016 8:29:49 GMT -8
Vote: pop-o-matic
Unlike coppa, he has no excuse for not posting. We can't let this type of inactivity slip by.
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Post by cabot on Jan 10, 2016 8:32:21 GMT -8
People who don't post at all will be replaced. I see no point in lynching someone who has a chance of remaining silent until death, we could hit an important PR.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 10, 2016 8:37:34 GMT -8
As a follow up to my Xam posts, honestly if anything his high % of fluff posts makes me feel better about him if anything. In a game of almost all vets everyone knows of the disdain a large portion of Gafia has for fluff postings. People see them as #scumtell despite the fact that you'd have to be daft to think you can coast by as scum with just fluff posts at this point in the meta. Course you can WIFOM on that, but comparing Xam's town versus scum play I feel good about him at this junction. Gonna give myself a bit of a break after going through all of Xam's posts and switch gears to look at our problematic cluster: Scrafty: Breakdown - Rougly 7 fluff, 3 mechanics, 9 scum hunt with more crossover between the categories with a lot of her post. Scrafty starts her posts with a good bit of fluff, her first meaningful posts is the safe route of discussing/guessing the number of scum (yawn), then presses sorian for details regarding his trip to the other side, and pushes her suspicion on LoC due to a gut feeling for the most part. Some votes switch to her and she seems pretty okay with her death thanks to the vote info that will give since it seems to her that several people seem to want her dead (which I find a bit doubtful given scum would likely not have info about her role at this junction and so for them any townie is as good as another for a d1 lynch. Scum seem more likely to jump on an existing bandwagon than to create one forcefully the first day imo). Then there's this posts which is in essence a soft claim There is a pretty big coincidence regarding my role pm. That is all I will say about it for now for obvious reasons, but it did made me think that the role pm's weren't fully RNG'd, at least for mine. Also, thanks for making the day 9 thing clear before it became a topic of discussion. I was giving this idear further thought, and I think it almost certainly holds water. Mine also seems like it's too fitting to be a coincidence, and while that may mean nothing at all it should still be something we keep in mind. I still believe that Castamere is aware of more than he's letting on but it doesn't look as though he's arsed to talk much so I'll switch targets to another suspicious individual that I would be comfortable giving the drop today. VOTE: XamthekingWhat others have said about your peculiar behaviour is spot-on, but I'd like to raise another line of inquiry as well, luv. Why do you list crimsonfist, Squidy and Castamere among your top town? Do you have justification for those or are you simply throwing out names to get in their good graces? which is a bit hypocritical after she kind of berated Sorian for soft claiming here: Oh, good heavens, not this bloody song and dance again. Sorian, luv, you've essentially softclaimed a miscellaneous PR at this point and have thus painted a target on your back that I imagine both the riffraff and some rambuctious islanders are going to shoot for. Are you confident enough that whatever benefit your power has will be of use to us in the future, enough that it's worth risking your neck on the very first day? I find this sequence of events to be very puzzling on the whole, and I'm not ready to drop it quite yet. In the meantime, I suppose I'll create a bit more pressure on my favourite slithering suspect. VOTE: LordOfCastamereLast time I had a hunch like this it turned out to be rather spot-on, so I'm not keen on throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Switches from LoC to Xam, asks about his top town, and then moves her focus again mostly ot Loc and Sorian. She suspects that others can cross over and come back with info and suggest any who do so to cross reference their info to see in Sorian is lying. She seems to believe Sorian a little less than it seemed earlier in the day phase. Wraps up by shifting ultimate vote on LoC, starting a 'get out and vote' campaign, and comments on how easy it would be for scum to sli pinto the crown. The last being a bit ironic given where she falls in the post count. LoC vote is driven by fear of lost partner power shenanigans. Overall, Scrafty mainly just focused on two of the more obvious topics for the day in LoC and Sorian and wants LoC gone. I find her softclaim a bit strange and it seems to have been glossed over from my recollection of the thread. I'll say for now she seems a bit scummy to me and goes in the books as some one I'll be willing to vote for dependent on what looking at other posters turns up. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 10, 2016 8:38:40 GMT -8
People who don't post at all will be replaced. I see no point in lynching someone who has a chance of remaining silent until death, we could hit an important PR. Will they be replaced? It sounds like we need two already. |
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Post by Kawl on Jan 10, 2016 8:40:30 GMT -8
Kawl are you planning to go through all the high activity ones? I feel like you've wasted some amount of time writing a post about counts. A) I'm going to go through people I think would be worth while which will be a combination of high activity and others. B) If people are going to start basing arguments on activity and coasting by I'd prefer we have some actual numbers versus gut feelings. So whatever, call it wasted if you want. Also your information is faulty, you list Launch as ultra low, but he hasnt actually posted since the game began. Can I add that to my big dumb dumb counts list? Some of this may be slightly off due to pre game posts, but thought I would put this together so we can actually be factual when talking about activity levels and involvement here. TLDR: Screw you Cabot |
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Post by cabot on Jan 10, 2016 8:42:06 GMT -8
To be fair, I did miss that soft claim post.
I'm not seeing the logic in both of them soft claiming like this.
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Post by Splinter on Jan 10, 2016 8:45:01 GMT -8
People who don't post at all will be replaced. I see no point in lynching someone who has a chance of remaining silent until death, we could hit an important PR. Will they be replaced? It sounds like we need two already. As per the rules, they'll be contacted during the night to check they still want to play. Coppa's absence was advised in advance and he has a pass for this day phase. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 10, 2016 8:46:42 GMT -8
While I don't feel great about Lone, tb, karu, launch, or pop not posting, it feels more like them being busy rather than trying to blend. Likely wouldn't vote unless to break a tie. We have better options and wouldn't learn much. I'm truly sorry, but I wasn't able to participate this weekend besides my earlier posts and read the thread (my god..), but with weekend's end this will change. I'll be able to post more indepth thought in about 3 hours, which will leave me with plenty a time till the Days deadline. To give a quick overview of my thoughts from reading the thread once (possibly many summarize-like thoughts right now, sorry) -> Sorian still hasn't answered/acknowledged me. Will hold out with a "definitive" assessment until then. -> Would not kill LoC right now. If nothing happens tomorrow, he's up. Possible scum-advantage trigger for him? Eh, wouldn't make much sense to go so offensive about it, I would assume. -> Would not kill Xam right now. Only thing worrying me is a big scum team, which allows a big varience of playstyles. Before I misclick on my phone and everything's lost, this will do for this post  I did answer you the best I could: Hi, first off: Darryl is Bombay is Darryl, yes? Dunno. Ehm yes, what a game, eh? Overwhelming would be a kind description. I want Sorian to answer (or at least acknowledge) Crimson's earlier question (if I haven't overlooked your answer!) what the spirit animals are there for if it only benefits scum - why would we share the information in the first place? (Would certainly make those suspicious that already shared there spirit animal) Thus the mechanic would be useless. Of course, there is the possibility you know additional functions of the mechanic that could hurt Town, if revealed, but it could also go the other way around. I have little experience with neutrals, but keeping it all so vague would fit that mold/playstyle (playing both sites), it seems. How would Town generally handle neutrals? Didn't realize he was really asking me, I thought he was theorizing. Think of it like a power role. On day 1 (and really any early day) who does it help more knowing that you are a doctor (as an example), scum or town? The answer is scum, of course, because they are specifically looking to kill protector roles. It's the same case here, specific groups are looking for specific animals to kill or recruit. To be fair, I don't know if there is a town-aligned role that interacts with the animals, there very well may be but I don't think the risk is worth that potential reward at the moment. Scum are hunting particular animals, it's really as simple as that. I don't know their particular reasons for it and there may be a town role that interacts with them too but I know the information benefits scum, I don't know that it benefits town. |
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Post by cabot on Jan 10, 2016 8:47:24 GMT -8
People who don't post at all will be replaced. I see no point in lynching someone who has a chance of remaining silent until death, we could hit an important PR. Will they be replaced? It sounds like we need two already. Pretty sure there were people on the replacement list, and still are. Remember both Pop and Launch are in a day phase of another mafia game currently as well, so I hope they jump here once that phase ends (its just over an hour to go) Scrafty soft claims then says shes alright with dying. Eh. Halp. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 10, 2016 8:48:01 GMT -8
Also, i see a growing vote for Ridli, I'm not going to get behind that. Ridli is misguided newbie to the letter, they are trying to contribute, I have no reason to find it scummy on day 1. Dusk would at least be a bit more interesting of a day 1 newbie vote since he has seemed to be more interested in appearances than Ridli was.
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 10, 2016 8:48:58 GMT -8
Will they be replaced? It sounds like we need two already. As per the rules, they'll be contacted during the night to check they still want to play. Coppa's absence was advised in advance and he has a pass for this day phase. Is Coppa NK immune or could we have another Heist situation? |
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Post by ridli on Jan 10, 2016 8:52:05 GMT -8
Oh ill give pop a pass if hes participating in another game. Any reasons not to vote for launchpad though?
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 10, 2016 8:54:33 GMT -8
Ya'll should get off of Launch, Nin, and Pop.
They are all busy with FF right now
(Blarg is still playing too but he's cloned himself so it's much easier for him to post in multiple threads at once)
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Post by Splinter on Jan 10, 2016 8:54:37 GMT -8
As per the rules, they'll be contacted during the night to check they still want to play. Coppa's absence was advised in advance and he has a pass for this day phase. Is Coppa NK immune or could we have another Heist situation? Actually thats a good point I hadn't considered... For those who didn't read heist, a replacement was killed on the first night. This was (in my opinion) unfair to town who learn nothing from the death. I don't want to give Coppa full NK immunity though, he's already had immunity from a lynch, so I'll say this: Scum will not be allowed to kill Coppa tonight. This is not to be taken as any indication to Coppa's alignment (ie. he could be scum and this protection isn't needed), this is a solution I feel would be suitable for any player in any game. Agreeable? |
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Post by cabot on Jan 10, 2016 8:55:13 GMT -8
He's in the same game as Pop.
Can someone explain to me what zipped is doing, because it seems far too obvious for scum, and it's definitely not pro-town. Splinter have you went full jester?
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Post by ridli on Jan 10, 2016 8:55:53 GMT -8
It just feels like typical Day 1 crap on most of the top candidates. Id rather lose some deadweight than active posters.
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 10, 2016 8:57:57 GMT -8
Is Coppa NK immune or could we have another Heist situation? Actually thats a good point I hadn't considered... For those who didn't read heist, a replacement was killed on the first night. This was (in my opinion) unfair to town who learn nothing from the death. I don't want to give Coppa full NK immunity though, he's already had immunity from a lynch, so I'll say this: Scum will not be allowed to kill Coppa tonight. This is not to be taken as any indication to Coppa's alignment (ie. he could be scum and this protection isn't needed), this is a solution I feel would be suitable for any player in any game. Agreeable? So non-scum can kill him? |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 10, 2016 8:59:33 GMT -8
He's in the same game as Pop. Can someone explain to me what zipped is doing, because it seems far too obvious for scum, and it's definitely not pro-town. Splinter have you went full jester? He went full Darryl with that drive by vote. You never go full Darryl. AT MOST you go 80 % Darryl. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 10, 2016 9:00:52 GMT -8
Bleh. Wasn't aware we had so many in two games. That seems like a bad idea. I'll just stick with my initial conviction.
Vote: Sorian
I'm unlikely to be around again this phase. Good luck!
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Post by Splinter on Jan 10, 2016 9:01:42 GMT -8
Actually thats a good point I hadn't considered... For those who didn't read heist, a replacement was killed on the first night. This was (in my opinion) unfair to town who learn nothing from the death. I don't want to give Coppa full NK immunity though, he's already had immunity from a lynch, so I'll say this: Scum will not be allowed to kill Coppa tonight. This is not to be taken as any indication to Coppa's alignment (ie. he could be scum and this protection isn't needed), this is a solution I feel would be suitable for any player in any game. Agreeable? So non-scum can kill him? Not confirming that non-scum killers even exist, but yes. Again, this is a solution I'd probably apply to any player in any game, regardless of their alignment and what roles exist. |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 10, 2016 9:06:00 GMT -8
Bleh. Wasn't aware we had so many in two games. That seems like a bad idea. I'll just stick with my initial conviction. Vote: SorianI'm unlikely to be around again this phase. Good luck! Ridli, who do you suspect to be scum and why? Do you vote Sorian because you think he is scum, or because this will give us the most information? |
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Post by Swamped on Jan 10, 2016 9:11:06 GMT -8
Voting for more information on D1 isn't a bad strategy Roy.
Sorian says we won't get anything useful from his flip, but he also lies a lot (regardless of his alignment). Tbh I didn't pay super close attention to what he said after resurrection, so i really should reread him before i decide he could be a viable candidate for lynching.
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Post by Splinter on Jan 10, 2016 9:11:54 GMT -8
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Post by Swamped on Jan 10, 2016 9:13:28 GMT -8
I think i feel good about Ridli. He's been consistent in his convictions even when people have challenged him. He also briefly pushed some inactives, so his heart is in the right place i believe.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 10, 2016 9:16:45 GMT -8
Looking at myself since I'm next in the list of cluster posters:
Kawl starts with lots of pregame fluff. His first meaningful posts is very low effort commenting on xam, sorian, and LoC without any new or interesting information.
He has been a notable defending of Xam, similar to his postings concerning Redhood in heist, which is at least consistent.
Discusses the cutting off of dead weight for Day 1, says its a valid tactic but not really for this day 1 as its been pretty eventful. Gets in a minor tiff over him thinking Cabot misinterpreted his post.
Name drops Czartim as being unusually quiet, but at least at this point Tim has a healthy number of posts (and is also pushing for a Kawl lynch based on his coasting activity level).
Disagrees with Tim some more over whether lynching Blarg is a good move or not.
Finally clarifys the xam extra info.
So not being 3rd person any more:
So looking at these posts before today, honestly I'm pretty much a non entity. Weigh in on some of the low hanging fruit, mainly discussing/defending other players.
Some people have mentioned how it seemed like I was keeping tabs on the thread without really participating which is true, I had company in town so when i had some downtime I kept up with the new posts but it prevented me from doing the type of deep dive which I'm doing now. Which limited me to weighing in on whatever the latest hot topic was. I'm rectifying that issue now to the best of my ability.
I feel like LoC picking me out to vote for from the middling pack might be some blowback from kicking his ass in Vig Factions and Tim picking me as his top person to vote for (after Blarg policy lynch) strikes me as a bit interesting as I believe that he had voiced bad feelings on Scrafty who hits the same level of posting that I had. I'll have to double check that when I look at all his posts though.
I will say it felt like Scrafty contributed a lot more in terms of meaningful thoughts and ideas than I did even in just one more posts. Further expanding on the idea that activity level and contribution amount does not go directly hand in hand with post count.
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Post by cabot on Jan 10, 2016 9:18:51 GMT -8
Kawl are you drunk?
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 10, 2016 9:19:45 GMT -8
Voting for more information on D1 isn't a bad strategy Roy. Sorian says we won't get anything useful from his flip, but he also lies a lot (regardless of his alignment). Tbh I didn't pay super close attention to what he said after resurrection, so i really should reread him before i decide he could be a viable candidate for lynching. I never said it was a bad strategy, but it is also an easy strategy for scum to hide behind. So i don't have a problem with ridli voting for information, but I would like to at least hear who he thinks is scum in addition to that. He talks about mechanics, inactives and voting for information, but not about who he thinks is scum. |
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Post by Kawl on Jan 10, 2016 9:21:06 GMT -8
No, but I figure if I'm going to do the cluster of ~20 post posters I'm gonna do them all. Self analysis be damned. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 10, 2016 9:28:25 GMT -8
It's 75/25 info/scum for Sorian. Otherwise, it's Day 1, where everyone is grasping desperately at straws. I can't call anyone scum until we actually have some voting or other info to go off. A lot of you seem to be going based on past reads which i'm not comfortable doing.
Statistically a good chance the flip today will provide no extra info beyond reading my own role pm, so I'd rather poke at this resurrection business to see whats going on.
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