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Post by LordofCastamere on Jan 9, 2016 12:42:48 GMT -8
Well you've said yourself that it's to scum, with all that talking about how they won't dare kill you. No, that's just a statement of fact. They won't kill me. Other things are in play. I wish I could share ):
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Post by Swamped on Jan 9, 2016 12:45:03 GMT -8
Why do some people think I'm "off"? Feels like someone mentioned that and others after are parroting without any reasoning. If it's just a gut feel though I'm ok with that. Just be aware that scum also uses "gut feels" as an excuse for a vote, especially during the early game.
I haven't seen anybody directly address me, just being super vague about their suspicions on me.
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Post by Swamped on Jan 9, 2016 12:49:06 GMT -8
Hmm i didn't consider that LoC could be a lost partner. His behavior could make sense in that context. Hmm, I'll read his posts again.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 9, 2016 12:49:27 GMT -8
LoC why are you doing this. No spoilers. If you're looking for a lynch you're not going to get one, you're being way too obvious that something is up. Why do some people think I'm "off"? Feels like someone mentioned that and others after are parroting without any reasoning. If it's just a gut feel though I'm ok with that. Just be aware that scum also uses "gut feels" as an excuse for a vote, especially during the early game. I haven't seen anybody directly address me, just being super vague about their suspicions on me. Quieter than normal and a rather 'weak' reason for a vote seem to be the logic behind it. I believe you said earlier that you were at work yesterday and it's why you couldn't be here so that explains being quieter and you already addressed how weak your vote was so I see no issues there but I understand where some others are coming from.
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Post by Swamped on Jan 9, 2016 12:52:11 GMT -8
This is D1, there are no strong reasons for any votes flying around. Also why do people keep thinking I'm quiet, i post at least a few times a day and i make sure my posts have content. There are a ton of players quieter than me.
I post with this frequency in nearly every game i play.
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Post by LordofCastamere on Jan 9, 2016 12:52:30 GMT -8
If you're looking for a lynch you're not going to get one, you're being way too obvious that something is up. Lol I know exactly how to get lynched and this isn't it. Everyone always looks at the grenade, when you should be looking at the pin. Tisk tisk.
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 9, 2016 12:53:29 GMT -8
If you're looking for a lynch you're not going to get one, you're being way too obvious that something is up. Lol I know exactly how to get lynched and this isn't it. Everyone always looks at the grenade, when you should be looking at the pin. Tisk tisk. Get down mr president
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 9, 2016 12:57:01 GMT -8
If you have a confirmed scum then they have nothing to lose by intentionally throwing off the double lynch with a last minute vote. Could be a bit risky to use at that point. Actually, that would be a terrible point to use it. If you have a confirmed scum, going for a double lynch gives them a way out for one more day. Hmm, good point. The problem with the double vote is that if one of the scum is part of the two candidates, he/she will always be able to shift votes last minute to get a majority on the other candidate. That will out him, but that still beats getting lynched. So A planned double lynch will probably only succeed if both of the targets are not scum, and even then the candidates will still probably try to safe themselves with last minute vote shifting. A planned double lynch will be hard to pull off no matter the circumstances.
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 9, 2016 13:03:01 GMT -8
Actually, that would be a terrible point to use it. If you have a confirmed scum, going for a double lynch gives them a way out for one more day. Hmm, good point. The problem with the double vote is that if one of the scum is part of the two candidates, he/she will always be able to shift votes last minute to get a majority on the other candidate. That will out him, but that still beats getting lynched. So A planned double lynch will probably only succeed if both of the targets are not scum, and even then the candidates will still probably try to safe themselves with last minute vote shifting. A planned double lynch will be hard to pull off no matter the circumstances. Or kill themselves to make us waste a day voting out the other who could be town.
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 9, 2016 13:04:08 GMT -8
Maybe not that likely as killing the other could do the same, but that might mess up town morale more.
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 9, 2016 13:07:38 GMT -8
Maybe not that likely as killing the other would do the same. I was thinking that killing yourself as scum would force town to lynch town which might mess up town morale more. Sorry for the poor phrasing...
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 9, 2016 13:08:35 GMT -8
Maybe not that likely as killing the other could do the same, but that might mess up town morale more. And in both cases the double lynch would still be in play
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Post by cornb on Jan 9, 2016 13:12:54 GMT -8
Could LoC be a lost partner? He's clearly breadcrumbing his role to somebody. If he is, I'm not dealing with a bulletproof partner role. Not after Dangan.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 9, 2016 13:14:20 GMT -8
If you're looking for a lynch you're not going to get one, you're being way too obvious that something is up. Lol I know exactly how to get lynched and this isn't it. Everyone always looks at the grenade, when you should be looking at the pin. Tisk tisk. Sure about that? A couple of people have already thought about throwing you in the volcano for today. Thinking about it, maybe throwing you in there today is a good idea. Might as well get rid of the grenade before someone pulls the pin, right?
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 9, 2016 13:18:03 GMT -8
Lol I know exactly how to get lynched and this isn't it. Everyone always looks at the grenade, when you should be looking at the pin. Tisk tisk. Sure about that? A couple of people have already thought about throwing you in the volcano for today. Thinking about it, maybe throwing you in there today is a good idea. Might as well get rid of the grenade before someone pulls the pin, right?This is where I'm leaning too. If he's scum and his partner finds him tonight, that could be bad for us, and could be why he's so open about his breadcrumbing.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 9, 2016 13:25:36 GMT -8
I still find it super weird that LoC claimed to have a role that makes him not a viable night target for scum without provocation. That would make his power useless if he is town and speaking the truth. So yeah, something is definitely smelly about LoC.
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Post by cornb on Jan 9, 2016 13:25:54 GMT -8
I can't follow these discussions at all. There's so much speculation. Not that I don't speculate, but why are we speculating about magical scum psuedo-masons? It is a bastard game sure, so there will be wacky roles, but there seems to be little to go on for this theory. Lord is breadcrumbing, but can someone link the breadcrumb posts? He is obviously role claiming, but so has Sorian. Hell even Xam mentioned having some theory that needed to be posted on D2 which implies some level of info beyond normal villagers.
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Post by ultron87 on Jan 9, 2016 13:29:48 GMT -8
I'm just responding to both of these points together. Roy, why do you think roles weren't RNG'd out? Cabot, if you go by that logic, my role would be something that would put me in the spotlight and let me talk a lot. I'm not known for my alignment from NX, I'm known for pretending to be a town leader and talking too much. The roles not being RNG is the only way that the story you're claiming makes any sense. You've said your role involved dying and resurrecting. If that was the actual function of your role, and it publicly mod dying on day 1, it makes Rule 34 a blatantly unfair thing to be in the game. It would've let you claim "oh, ha ha Splinter was just joking, I'm just normal!" Since you have a reputation in the community it doesn't seem that odd for a rule specifically about you to be there. If a good portion of the 29 other players got that role such a rule wouldn't have made any sense. Like if it was "34) Ultron will be mod killed unless he does *thing*" it would've stood out like a sore thumb and I wouldn't have been able to pass it off as a joke. That makes me think that the only way your role would function as you claim it does would be for you to have specifically got assigned the role instead of everyone getting everything randomly. Even if this is a super bastard game I'm pretty sure that we aren't playing games where special GAFia celebrities get special roles just for them, because that's against the basic tenets of Mafia as a game. The only remaining reasonable option in my mind is that your whole story is nonsense.
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Post by Kawl on Jan 9, 2016 13:31:01 GMT -8
I can't follow these discussions at all. There's so much speculation. Not that I don't speculate, but why are we speculating about magical scum psuedo-masons? It is a bastard game sure, so there will be wacky roles, but there seems to be little to go on for this theory. Lord is breadcrumbing, but can someone link the breadcrumb posts? He is obviously role claiming, but so has Sorian. Hell even Xam mentioned having some theory that needed to be posted on D2 which implies some level of info beyond normal villagers. Xam has since said that it was just a theory about spirit animals, linked pairs, etc. So he's not claiming some crazy theory based on extra info anymore from what I read.
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Post by Sawneeks on Jan 9, 2016 13:43:15 GMT -8
Sure about that? A couple of people have already thought about throwing you in the volcano for today. Thinking about it, maybe throwing you in there today is a good idea. Might as well get rid of the grenade before someone pulls the pin, right?This is where I'm leaning too. If he's scum and his partner finds him tonight, that could be bad for us, and could be why he's so open about his breadcrumbing. My thoughts as well, although his open breadcrumbing is what bothers me the most because of how blatant it is. If he survived this Night phase, and subsequent phases, people would only increasingly become suspicious of him, leading him to be lynched eventually. LoC's plan just doesn't make sense.
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Post by cornb on Jan 9, 2016 13:47:19 GMT -8
I can't follow these discussions at all. There's so much speculation. Not that I don't speculate, but why are we speculating about magical scum psuedo-masons? It is a bastard game sure, so there will be wacky roles, but there seems to be little to go on for this theory. Lord is breadcrumbing, but can someone link the breadcrumb posts? He is obviously role claiming, but so has Sorian. Hell even Xam mentioned having some theory that needed to be posted on D2 which implies some level of info beyond normal villagers. Xam has since said that it was just a theory about spirit animals, linked pairs, etc. So he's not claiming some crazy theory based on extra info anymore from what I read. Thanks. Shit on this forum is hard to keep track of.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 9, 2016 13:50:08 GMT -8
Yeah okay. -Day 1 Blarg vote is such a safe scummy thing. Especially when he hasn't done anything against us yet. -Hasn't posted since Day start, Handwaves activity for the rest of the day. -More faux bullshit. Vote:Czartim this is non-sense. blarg is the most anti-town player in gafia, he could have the most powerful role and still be better off dead. we either lynch him or I put him on ignore. Or lynch me whatever it takes not to read another one of his posts, idgaf " -Hasn't posted since Day start, Handwaves activity for the rest of the day. " are you suggesting I'd lie about rl reasons for a game of mafia? fuck off if so. I woke up to 20 pages of day 1 bs, I commented on as much as I could, and I've always stated Im busy on weekends. always This is such a lazy reason to lynch someone and I know you are better than this. I'm ok with my vote where it is right now. LoC trying to hint as a lost partner is also viable. So your vote for Blarg is 100 % based on meta gaming? He was anti-town in earlier games so lets vote for him! That's kind of a shitty thing to do. If blarg was being anti-town in this game I could agree with voting for him, but he has been remarkably low key for now. I am not going to vote for someone purely because of things he did in earlier games, that's stupid. But he hasn't posted anything of worth this game? He has as many useful posts as the people who haven't posted at all. Everyone giving him a pass "because he's blarg" is just as metay as me saying he won't be helpful. If anyone else made the posts blarg has made this game, they'd have 5 votes easy. There are quite a few people who haven't posted at all. It's a game of 31 people, we aren't going to hit everyone during day 1 talks, it just is what it is. So I am on page 22. Sorian says "town is at an information disadvantage, mafia is at an information advantage". This after providing a fuckload if information. Sorian, are you scum and being nice to town so that we help you eliminate a competing scum faction? I mean, sure, if you want to take that out of context then it's odd but you have to see that I was talking about a newbie who seemed confused for some odd reason that the OP didn't spoon feed all of the information about the game to them. I wasn't talking about this game in particular, I was giving out mafia 101 lessons. I can't follow these discussions at all. There's so much speculation. Not that I don't speculate, but why are we speculating about magical scum psuedo-masons? It is a bastard game sure, so there will be wacky roles, but there seems to be little to go on for this theory. Lord is breadcrumbing, but can someone link the breadcrumb posts? He is obviously role claiming, but so has Sorian. Hell even Xam mentioned having some theory that needed to be posted on D2 which implies some level of info beyond normal villagers. Meh, my role was kind of public, I could have played it off like a joke but it was more useful this way.
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Post by cornb on Jan 9, 2016 13:51:10 GMT -8
I'm just responding to both of these points together. Roy, why do you think roles weren't RNG'd out? Cabot, if you go by that logic, my role would be something that would put me in the spotlight and let me talk a lot. I'm not known for my alignment from NX, I'm known for pretending to be a town leader and talking too much. The roles not being RNG is the only way that the story you're claiming makes any sense. You've said your role involved dying and resurrecting. If that was the actual function of your role, and it publicly mod dying on day 1, it makes Rule 34 a blatantly unfair thing to be in the game. It would've let you claim "oh, ha ha Splinter was just joking, I'm just normal!" Since you have a reputation in the community it doesn't seem that odd for a rule specifically about you to be there. If a good portion of the 29 other players got that role such a rule wouldn't have made any sense. Like if it was "34) Ultron will be mod killed unless he does *thing*" it would've stood out like a sore thumb and I wouldn't have been able to pass it off as a joke. That makes me think that the only way your role would function as you claim it does would be for you to have specifically got assigned the role instead of everyone getting everything randomly. Even if this is a super bastard game I'm pretty sure that we aren't playing games where special GAFia celebrities get special roles just for them, because that's against the basic tenets of Mafia as a game. The only remaining reasonable option in my mind is that your whole story is nonsense. I have to agree with Ultron's reasoning here. Rule 34 is blatantly unfair unless Sorian was specifically handed the death/revive role. Assuming Sorian really has a death/revive role. Bombay seems to think Sorian gained info from dying, but that makes... little sense. There's no dead thread to pull info from yet, unless Splinter made posts in that thread. But then why not have Sorian's role not require his D1 meaningless death/revive and just hand him the info. I'm still unsure whether or not I believe Sorian has a death/revive PR. He's been tossing out a lot of info. He knows that there are animals in groupings, multiple mafia factions, etc... Somehow. Dying alone doesn't explain his knowledge of that. Its possible he has a PR, and the death/dying thing was a joke, and he went with it and made it seem like part of his role. I don't think the information he has provided (about grouped animals, multi factions) is bogus. I just don't see how his Jesus power factors into that all. Or in other words, something is fishy with Sorian. Vote: Sorian
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 9, 2016 13:51:56 GMT -8
There have been public roles which haven't been randomly assigned in the past, such as the sheriff in Woof.
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Post by squidyj on Jan 9, 2016 13:53:06 GMT -8
VOTE: CornB
really dude?
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Post by Bombay on Jan 9, 2016 13:53:31 GMT -8
I'm just responding to both of these points together. Roy, why do you think roles weren't RNG'd out? Cabot, if you go by that logic, my role would be something that would put me in the spotlight and let me talk a lot. I'm not known for my alignment from NX, I'm known for pretending to be a town leader and talking too much. The roles not being RNG is the only way that the story you're claiming makes any sense. You've said your role involved dying and resurrecting. If that was the actual function of your role, and it publicly mod dying on day 1, it makes Rule 34 a blatantly unfair thing to be in the game. It would've let you claim "oh, ha ha Splinter was just joking, I'm just normal!" Since you have a reputation in the community it doesn't seem that odd for a rule specifically about you to be there. If a good portion of the 29 other players got that role such a rule wouldn't have made any sense. Like if it was "34) Ultron will be mod killed unless he does *thing*" it would've stood out like a sore thumb and I wouldn't have been able to pass it off as a joke. That makes me think that the only way your role would function as you claim it does would be for you to have specifically got assigned the role instead of everyone getting everything randomly. Even if this is a super bastard game I'm pretty sure that we aren't playing games where special GAFia celebrities get special roles just for them, because that's against the basic tenets of Mafia as a game. The only remaining reasonable option in my mind is that your whole story is nonsense. Thank god someone else gets it. Nothing adds up with Sorian. On another note, how on earth does anyone think they can pull a double lynch off? Mafia aren't gonna get trapped in that. You gotta be kidding me. They just refuse to vote for the other person, and then when it is the last minute they add the vote on. You'd have to catch two scum, and even then they'd only let you lynch one.
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 9, 2016 13:55:06 GMT -8
Possibly spirit animals get assigned via what game you played in recently? Dunno
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Post by cornb on Jan 9, 2016 13:56:06 GMT -8
Really what? Unless I missed something, I truly don't understand what Sorian's role could possibly even be. The Jesus Resurrection thing did nothing on D1. What's the point of it? Thinking it might not actually be part of his real role doesn't seem that illogical to me. Like... if I were creating roles why would I create say... this role: . What's the point of the die/revive? The meat of the role is access to X/Y/Z.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 9, 2016 13:56:19 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure the rules were put up after roles were assigned and Splinter found a way to tell a joke with it. Same as the Day 9 start and Nin being a mystery gafia star. This game is no stranger to throwing in jokes when it can, that doesn't change the mechanics.
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Post by Sorian on Jan 9, 2016 13:58:46 GMT -8
Really what? Unless I missed something, I truly don't understand what Sorian's role could possibly even be. The Jesus Resurrection thing did nothing on D1. What's the point of it? Thinking it might not actually be part of his real role doesn't seem that illogical to me. Like... if I were creating roles why would I create say... this role: . What's the point of the die/revive? The meat of the role is access to X/Y/Z. What's the point of any public role? I was supposed to be questioned when I came back because this was unorthodox. I don't get the information for free, I get it by being suspect.
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