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Post by xamtheking on Jan 9, 2016 13:59:00 GMT -8
Really what? Unless I missed something, I truly don't understand what Sorian's role could possibly even be. The Jesus Resurrection thing did nothing on D1. What's the point of it? Thinking it might not actually be part of his real role doesn't seem that illogical to me. Like... if I were creating roles why would I create say... this role: . What's the point of the die/revive? The meat of the role is access to X/Y/Z. Because being dead might give you access to say, a different plane or some shit where you communicate with Dpirits |
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Post by cornb on Jan 9, 2016 14:00:20 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure the rules were put up after roles were assigned and Splinter found a way to tell a joke with it. Same as the Day 9 start and Nin being a mystery gafia star. This game is no stranger to throwing in jokes when it can, that doesn't change the mechanics. So be straight with me, the Jesus power is PART of your role? Rule 34 is inherently linked to your role to trigger it? There aren't that many people rule 34 could have worked with. Off the top of my head, maybe cabot with rule34 being "cabot dies if he talks about being drunk." |
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Post by cornb on Jan 9, 2016 14:02:00 GMT -8
Really what? Unless I missed something, I truly don't understand what Sorian's role could possibly even be. The Jesus Resurrection thing did nothing on D1. What's the point of it? Thinking it might not actually be part of his real role doesn't seem that illogical to me. Like... if I were creating roles why would I create say... this role: . What's the point of the die/revive? The meat of the role is access to X/Y/Z. Because being dead might give you access to say, a different plane or some shit where you communicate with Dpirits This idea actually makes sense to me. But I can't see there being that much info in the dead plane that Sorian unloaded to us. On D1. In the first couple hours of the game. |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 9, 2016 14:03:16 GMT -8
Your information sucks though. Most people were default keepin their spirit animals to themselves. It's in a role PM for god sakes.
Whether they're grouped or not doesn't help town, in a world where we shouldn't reveal them.
Then your final bit is just saying there is multiple mafia factions, which is something that thinking without being able to prove, harms town and gives mafia ways to cover each other! This helps mafia more than ANYONE.
None of this helps TOWN, so why the spectacle for this info?
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Post by Sorian on Jan 9, 2016 14:05:00 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure the rules were put up after roles were assigned and Splinter found a way to tell a joke with it. Same as the Day 9 start and Nin being a mystery gafia star. This game is no stranger to throwing in jokes when it can, that doesn't change the mechanics. So be straight with me, the Jesus power is PART of your role? Rule 34 is inherently linked to your role to trigger it? There aren't that many people rule 34 could have worked with. Off the top of my head, maybe cabot with rule34 being "cabot dies if he talks about being drunk." The rule had nothing to do with it other than Splinter being cute and me playing along by coughing to pad out my posts. The only death of mine that is planned is the first one which is triggered by me posting 3 times (he didn't kill me immediately because of I assume the fluff writing so I risked a 4th post because I wanted to point something out before I was gone for a bit). Regardless of what happens on any of my subsequent deaths, I no longer have control to cause my own death, it would only come from other player roles. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 9, 2016 14:08:14 GMT -8
Really what? Unless I missed something, I truly don't understand what Sorian's role could possibly even be. The Jesus Resurrection thing did nothing on D1. What's the point of it? Thinking it might not actually be part of his real role doesn't seem that illogical to me. Like... if I were creating roles why would I create say... this role: . What's the point of the die/revive? The meat of the role is access to X/Y/Z. What's the point of any public role? I was supposed to be questioned when I came back because this was unorthodox. I don't get the information for free, I get it by being suspect. Ok so your role is basically "you die D1 after your first post. In exchange you get a bunch of information to give to town. Then you revive." That's a believable role. Reasons this is a town role: Apparent to me Reasons this is a neutral role:  Reasons this is a scum role: Bombay, why do you think this is a scum role? Or do you think the role is bogus like I do/did? Unvote: Sorian |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 9, 2016 14:08:44 GMT -8
Your information sucks though. Most people were default keepin their spirit animals to themselves. It's in a role PM for god sakes. Whether they're grouped or not doesn't help town, in a world where we shouldn't reveal them. Then your final bit is just saying there is multiple mafia factions, which is something that thinking without being able to prove, harms town and gives mafia ways to cover each other! This helps mafia more than ANYONE. None of this helps TOWN, so why the spectacle for this info? lol I was watching this thread while I was dead, you idiots definitely were not having any issue at all soft claiming your animals. The fact that there are groupings is a hint more than anything else and a look behind the curtain. As for the multiple factions? Now you're just being dense. It gave town information that we didn't have before. Scum may have known they were competing and they may not have, I don't know but this was definitely news to me so I'm sure it was news to town. |
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Post by ultron87 on Jan 9, 2016 14:09:28 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure the rules were put up after roles were assigned and Splinter found a way to tell a joke with it. Same as the Day 9 start and Nin being a mystery gafia star. This game is no stranger to throwing in jokes when it can, that doesn't change the mechanics. Oh, so Splinter was just playing a joke that could've had significant strategic value for you by giving you a plausible excuse to hide your role. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 9, 2016 14:12:21 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure the rules were put up after roles were assigned and Splinter found a way to tell a joke with it. Same as the Day 9 start and Nin being a mystery gafia star. This game is no stranger to throwing in jokes when it can, that doesn't change the mechanics. Oh, so Splinter was just playing a joke that could've had significant strategic value for you by giving you a plausible excuse to hide your role. Splinter started the game at day 9 which made all of you start to theorize that we were working backwards towards the volcano erupting or some other stupid theories. Splinter put Nin in the game as MYSTERY GAFIA STAR which gave him some weird celebrity status for hours after the game started until he actually showed up. So much so that people were voting for him to see if that would trigger anything. So, yes this is not an uncommon occurrence. I hate to be the bearer of bad news. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 9, 2016 14:13:51 GMT -8
I suppose this IS a bastard game. In which case, it is probably imbalanced and whether we win or not comes down to the work our PR do.
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Post by ultron87 on Jan 9, 2016 14:20:47 GMT -8
Your other two examples are things that got cleared up very quickly that don't give anyone any advantage. Just like you getting funny haha killed for an hour would have (which is what I think actually happened).
That's very different from getting a plausible cover to disguise what you claim is supposed to be a public role.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 9, 2016 14:35:02 GMT -8
this is non-sense. blarg is the most anti-town player in gafia, he could have the most powerful role and still be better off dead. we either lynch him or I put him on ignore. Or lynch me whatever it takes not to read another one of his posts, idgaf " -Hasn't posted since Day start, Handwaves activity for the rest of the day. " are you suggesting I'd lie about rl reasons for a game of mafia? fuck off if so. I woke up to 20 pages of day 1 bs, I commented on as much as I could, and I've always stated Im busy on weekends. always This is such a lazy reason to lynch someone and I know you are better than this. I'm ok with my vote where it is right now. LoC trying to hint as a lost partner is also viable. But he hasn't posted anything of worth this game? He has as many useful posts as the people who haven't posted at all. Everyone giving him a pass "because he's blarg" is just as metay as me saying he won't be helpful. If anyone else made the posts blarg has made this game, they'd have 5 votes easy. There are quite a few people who haven't posted at all. It's a game of 31 people, we aren't going to hit everyone during day 1 talks, it just is what it is. So I am on page 22. Sorian says "town is at an information disadvantage, mafia is at an information advantage". This after providing a fuckload if information. Sorian, are you scum and being nice to town so that we help you eliminate a competing scum faction? I mean, sure, if you want to take that out of context then it's odd but you have to see that I was talking about a newbie who seemed confused for some odd reason that the OP didn't spoon feed all of the information about the game to them. I wasn't talking about this game in particular, I was giving out mafia 101 lessons. I can't follow these discussions at all. There's so much speculation. Not that I don't speculate, but why are we speculating about magical scum psuedo-masons? It is a bastard game sure, so there will be wacky roles, but there seems to be little to go on for this theory. Lord is breadcrumbing, but can someone link the breadcrumb posts? He is obviously role claiming, but so has Sorian. Hell even Xam mentioned having some theory that needed to be posted on D2 which implies some level of info beyond normal villagers. Meh, my role was kind of public, I could have played it off like a joke but it was more useful this way. What exactly has blarg done this game that proves he is town. That's an open question to everyone. Why is my vote on him worse than a vote on launch or pop? Why does this person get a pass on not contributing when others don't. My vote stays until I feel stronger that someone else is scum or blarg is town. |
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Post by cornb on Jan 9, 2016 14:40:20 GMT -8
I actually don't find your vote on Blarg less valid than the ones on Launch/Pop. I was just saying I'm not going along with it.
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Post by ridli on Jan 9, 2016 15:09:16 GMT -8
I know "frustrated with town" doesn't look good, but the number of soft claims this game is disconcerting and demoralizing. I don't know why we go through this every game. Also, re: blarg. My vote is not a joke. I would like to vote him out today. I know he'll just come back and reply with a clever gif because he's oh-so-wacky. But he loses games for town, he is distracting, and we'll likely lynch him anyway the second he gets bored enough to hijack the game. Disagree. Beneath his ridiculous exterior, in the two games I've seen Blarg (either first hand or from spectator thread) Blarg has had pretty spectacular inferences and understanding of the game state. Well it helps when you're given power roles and extra information. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 9, 2016 15:18:51 GMT -8
Random thought. First spirit animal from a group to die becomes scum. Thats why theres not a no-lynch option. Maybe sorian was modkilled and became scum which is how he got extra info already. He literally has had two role pms.
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Post by LordofCastamere on Jan 9, 2016 15:25:08 GMT -8
This is such a lazy reason to lynch someone and I know you are better than this. I'm ok with my vote where it is right now. LoC trying to hint as a lost partner is also viable. There are quite a few people who haven't posted at all. It's a game of 31 people, we aren't going to hit everyone during day 1 talks, it just is what it is. I mean, sure, if you want to take that out of context then it's odd but you have to see that I was talking about a newbie who seemed confused for some odd reason that the OP didn't spoon feed all of the information about the game to them. I wasn't talking about this game in particular, I was giving out mafia 101 lessons. Meh, my role was kind of public, I could have played it off like a joke but it was more useful this way. What exactly has blarg done this game that proves he is town. That's an open question to everyone. Why is my vote on him worse than a vote on launch or pop? Why does this person get a pass on not contributing when others don't. My vote stays until I feel stronger that someone else is scum or blarg is town. Well now you're just dodging. Your rationale for voting Blarg was the problem, not the vote itself. It's a destructive mindset. What happens in the next game if you have an override or Vig kill? Are you going to kill him for no reason other than meta? It's dumb. If you had said Blarg needed to talk more, so you were parking a vote on him, this conversation wouldn't be happening. |
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Post by Kawl on Jan 9, 2016 15:30:44 GMT -8
Disagree. Beneath his ridiculous exterior, in the two games I've seen Blarg (either first hand or from spectator thread) Blarg has had pretty spectacular inferences and understanding of the game state. Well it helps when you're given power roles and extra information. Meh, I'll grant you he had a super power PR in HP, but even taking that into consideration he still puts forth considerable effort analysis, especially when the game gets down to the nitty gritty. |
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 9, 2016 15:32:26 GMT -8
What exactly has blarg done this game that proves he is town. That's an open question to everyone. Why is my vote on him worse than a vote on launch or pop? Why does this person get a pass on not contributing when others don't. My vote stays until I feel stronger that someone else is scum or blarg is town. Well now you're just dodging. Your rationale for voting Blarg was the problem, not the vote itself. It's a destructive mindset. What happens in the next game if you have an override or Vig kill? Are you going to kill him for no reason other than meta? It's dumb. If you had said Blarg needed to talk more, so you were parking a vote on him, this conversation wouldn't be happening. I'd 100% override / vig him and not feel bad about it. Whether or not he is capable of being helpful to town or not, he chooses not to be most of the time and I'd rather remove him from the game before he can do real damage. |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 9, 2016 15:33:50 GMT -8
This is such a lazy reason to lynch someone and I know you are better than this. I'm ok with my vote where it is right now. LoC trying to hint as a lost partner is also viable. There are quite a few people who haven't posted at all. It's a game of 31 people, we aren't going to hit everyone during day 1 talks, it just is what it is. I mean, sure, if you want to take that out of context then it's odd but you have to see that I was talking about a newbie who seemed confused for some odd reason that the OP didn't spoon feed all of the information about the game to them. I wasn't talking about this game in particular, I was giving out mafia 101 lessons. Meh, my role was kind of public, I could have played it off like a joke but it was more useful this way. What exactly has blarg done this game that proves he is town. That's an open question to everyone. Why is my vote on him worse than a vote on launch or pop? Why does this person get a pass on not contributing when others don't. My vote stays until I feel stronger that someone else is scum or blarg is town. Nothing but then, I don't think anyone has really done anything to prove they are town in my eyes. This is dodging, you were trying to get a Blarg lynch based on policy lynching and now you are trying to get it based on his inactivity. Random thought. First spirit animal from a group to die becomes scum. Thats why theres not a no-lynch option. Maybe sorian was modkilled and became scum which is how he got extra info already. He literally has had two role pms. There isn't a no lynch option because Crab is running us on a strict time table for season 5 to start. I'm highly skeptical that there is any other reason for the lack of ties and no lynch votes. |
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Post by ridli on Jan 9, 2016 15:34:09 GMT -8
Random thought. First spirit animal from a group to die becomes scum. Thats why theres not a no-lynch option. Maybe sorian was modkilled and became scum which is how he got extra info already. He literally has had two role pms. To follow up on this, nobody who dies is removed from this game since were working backwards on days. I have no idea how anybody would win though, and it makes scum obvious i guess? |
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Post by Sorian on Jan 9, 2016 15:36:51 GMT -8
Random thought. First spirit animal from a group to die becomes scum. Thats why theres not a no-lynch option. Maybe sorian was modkilled and became scum which is how he got extra info already. He literally has had two role pms. To follow up on this, nobody who dies is removed from this game since were working backwards on days. I have no idea how anybody would win though, and it makes scum obvious i guess? lol We aren't working backwards on days, the person we lynch today will die, and there will almost certainly be a multitude of deaths tonight. |
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 9, 2016 15:38:42 GMT -8
What exactly has blarg done this game that proves he is town. That's an open question to everyone. Why is my vote on him worse than a vote on launch or pop? Why does this person get a pass on not contributing when others don't. My vote stays until I feel stronger that someone else is scum or blarg is town. Nothing but then, I don't think anyone has really done anything to prove they are town in my eyes. This is dodging, you were trying to get a Blarg lynch based on policy lynching and now you are trying to get it based on his inactivity. Random thought. First spirit animal from a group to die becomes scum. Thats why theres not a no-lynch option. Maybe sorian was modkilled and became scum which is how he got extra info already. He literally has had two role pms. There isn't a no lynch option because Crab is running us on a strict time table for season 5 to start. I'm highly skeptical that there is any other reason for the lack of ties and no lynch votes. How are these different. I am saying he isn't helpful on a meta level and this game he hasn't been helpful. |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 9, 2016 15:42:32 GMT -8
Random thought. First spirit animal from a group to die becomes scum. Thats why theres not a no-lynch option. Maybe sorian was modkilled and became scum which is how he got extra info already. He literally has had two role pms. To follow up on this, nobody who dies is removed from this game since were working backwards on days. I have no idea how anybody would win though, and it makes scum obvious i guess? Yeah, I don't believe this idea one bit. That would give us multiple people that would resurrect, and like you said it would eventually become extremely clear who is scum. |
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 9, 2016 16:09:22 GMT -8
Because being dead might give you access to say, a different plane or some shit where you communicate with Dpirits This idea actually makes sense to me. But I can't see there being that much info in the dead plane that Sorian unloaded to us. On D1. In the first couple hours of the game. I think other players also have access to the same plane or whatever this shit is that Sorian briefly went to |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Jan 9, 2016 16:21:31 GMT -8
Random thought. First spirit animal from a group to die becomes scum. Thats why theres not a no-lynch option. Maybe sorian was modkilled and became scum which is how he got extra info already. He literally has had two role pms. I was considering this possibility as well, but I don't think it's that black-and-white, luv. Something certainly occurs after death and I don't believe Sorian's the only one who gets special privelages. My take on the matter is that we'll be able to judge how many foes we're up against by how many ranks we lose tonight, but I'd suggest that if anyone else manages to return from the grave they cross-reference their information with what Sorian's told us so we can determine what's bollocks and what's true. |
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 9, 2016 16:53:49 GMT -8
Did you all know I was responsible for the establishment of Rule 33?
That's a legacy to be proud of, right there
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 9, 2016 16:57:05 GMT -8
I mean, GAFIA Rule 33, of course
Note to self: Google before posting
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Post by Blargonaut on Jan 9, 2016 16:58:42 GMT -8
CzarTim's probably a Lyncher Role
No hard feelings, Czar
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 9, 2016 17:01:28 GMT -8
I probably won't make it to Day End tommorow. Sundays are not a good day for Gafia in my case
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Post by xamtheking on Jan 9, 2016 17:04:07 GMT -8
Random thought. First spirit animal from a group to die becomes scum. Thats why theres not a no-lynch option. Maybe sorian was modkilled and became scum which is how he got extra info already. He literally has had two role pms. I was considering this possibility as well, but I don't think it's that black-and-white, luv. Something certainly occurs after death and I don't believe Sorian's the only one who gets special privelages. My take on the matter is that we'll be able to judge how many foes we're up against by how many ranks we lose tonight, but I'd suggest that if anyone else manages to return from the grave they cross-reference their information with what Sorian's told us so we can determine what's bollocks and what's true. I would be a little careful with that. With 30 players, and in a death-heavy game, we might have 2 (or more but extremely unlikely) vigs/sks/other neutral killers which might make us think there is more scum than there actually is |
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