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Post by Sophia on May 3, 2017 19:43:54 GMT -8
There's also the issue of the fact that scum will be gunning for the lynch on you. They know you screwed up, and they know town's temperament. Surviving the mislynch and potentially taking down scum was more important than trying to confuse scum actions in the night, when your survival wasn't guaranteed. I definitely should have been trying harder to fight the mislynch. I was basically goading them to lynch me which is pretty terrible town play. If you had claimed vig, that you killed Blarg, and then lied about your shots (or they wouldn't believe you anyway), they would have come after you, and maybe someone would have been watching you. That wouldn't have worked anyway because there isn't a watcher in the game. Only a tracker. Also, the whole point of the Psylocke gambit was that the scum team knew from the start that a name cop wouldn't return the character Psylocke from an investigation. This created a difference in their approach to the claim. Actual town players were questioning me and Kyanrute for information, trying to deduce which claim was true/false. The scum team didn't bother doing that because they already knew I was lying. They mainly avoided commenting on it except for a few quips here and there, and to smugly point out what the "correct" meta play should be. Honestly, that's what I should have spent the day focusing on saying. I think if they go read through D3 with that in mind they can find the scum team. They still have like 4 mislynches in hand. (Well, depending on who the arsonist takes out anyway.) Yeah, the onus was on you to prove why your actions were beneficial to town. Had to opened up with why you did the gambit you did, and shown the research for who might have been scum among it, you actually could have convinced town not to mislynch you. WAMD and Squdiy were leaning that way at times, and Squidy even said so himself. Instead, you did the opposite of that and drew attention to the scummiest aspects of your gambit, while not providing anything for town to work with until it was too late.
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Post by haly on May 4, 2017 12:15:19 GMT -8
I'm so excited.
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Post by Roytheone on May 4, 2017 13:07:25 GMT -8
Not-Seath is bad at math.
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Post by Roytheone on May 4, 2017 13:15:22 GMT -8
Squidy seems to be pretty off with his targets this game. I think this is the second time he goes in on someone that actually got a big part of the scum team right. Not good for town at all.
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Post by skyodin on May 4, 2017 13:25:34 GMT -8
Exodu5 and Swamped are going in on cabot, and I think they've forced him into an awkward position at the start of the day. We might be in for an exciting day.
I wonder why scum NK-ed hatmoza last night? Were they afraid of the tracker or nervous that hatmoza might figure out something about cabot's alignment? I figure that hatmoza probably didn't tell cabot about the 3-use limitation of the tracker ability.
But why was Vegeta a tracker/gossip? That is random, lol.
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Post by dusksoldier on May 4, 2017 13:27:00 GMT -8
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Post by Burbeting on May 4, 2017 13:32:28 GMT -8
I assume cabot is going to take the stance "Dusk was 100% wrong on EVERYTHING", and hope the wave rides out. He might succeed, especially when looking at squidy.
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Post by dusksoldier on May 4, 2017 13:33:25 GMT -8
Exodu5 and Swamped are going in on cabot, and I think they've forced him into an awkward position at the start of the day. We might be in for an exciting day. I wonder why scum NK-ed hatmoza last night? Were they afraid of the tracker or nervous that hatmoza might figure out something about cabot's alignment? I figure that hatmoza probably didn't tell cabot about the 3-use limitation of the tracker ability. But why was Vegeta a tracker/gossip? That is random, lol. town tracker is very dangerous for scum late game. Plus with the doctor dead, pretty much anyone who claims a PR now will be targeted.
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Post by dusksoldier on May 4, 2017 13:36:19 GMT -8
I assume cabot is going to take the stance "Dusk was 100% wrong on EVERYTHING", and hope the wave rides out. He might succeed, especially when looking at squidy. i think they're going to be more wary of letting another turbo happen. I think there are good odds he can shift the votes elsewhere before the end of the day. On the other hand, swamped, wmd, and the Exodus are the most respected townies right now and they all want Cabot lynched hard situation for him to talk his way out of it.
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Post by Burbeting on May 4, 2017 13:38:16 GMT -8
I assume cabot is going to take the stance "Dusk was 100% wrong on EVERYTHING", and hope the wave rides out. He might succeed, especially when looking at squidy. i think they're going to be more wary of letting another turbo happen. I think there are good odds he can shift the votes elsewhere before the end of the day. On the other hand, swamped, wmd, and the Exodus are the most respected townies right now and they all want Cabot lynched hard situation for him to talk his way out of it. Too bad your list has at least one scum in it.
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Post by heymonkey on May 4, 2017 13:46:41 GMT -8
Scum is kinda spectacular right now. Going in on each other just enough.
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Post by dusksoldier on May 4, 2017 13:46:58 GMT -8
Too bad your list has at least one scum in it. Is cabot not scum? I thought Sophia said he was.
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Post by Ourobolus on May 4, 2017 13:54:01 GMT -8
Too bad your list has at least one scum in it. Is cabot not scum? I thought Sophia said he was.
he means exodus
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Post by Burbeting on May 4, 2017 13:54:15 GMT -8
Too bad your list has at least one scum in it. Is cabot not scum? I thought Sophia said he was.
Cabot is scum, but so is also someone who you listed pushing for his lynch.
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Post by heymonkey on May 4, 2017 14:44:08 GMT -8
I don't understand what squidy is doing. Is he neutral?!
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Post by Ourobolus on May 4, 2017 20:40:52 GMT -8
I don't understand what squidy is doing. Is he neutral?! No, just bitter.
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Post by crimsonfist on May 5, 2017 10:25:59 GMT -8
Maybe anime will lynch one scum before the game ends.
It's possible at least
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Post by heymonkey on May 5, 2017 12:24:00 GMT -8
Not the way they're currently going.
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Post by Roytheone on May 5, 2017 12:36:39 GMT -8
I don't understand what squidy is doing. Is he neutral?! Squidy is playing a pretty bad game for him. Honestly, seeing how they are talking now I don't have a lot of hope of town being able to turn this game around
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Post by dusksoldier on May 5, 2017 12:55:15 GMT -8
Squidy and Kawl are both rattled.
Going to be seeing Psylocke in their nightmares for a long time.
All in all it seems like town is waiting for a red check that isn't coming.
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Post by yn on May 5, 2017 13:36:04 GMT -8
Squidy and Kawl are both rattled. Going to be seeing Psylocke in their nightmares for a long time. All in all it seems like town is waiting for a red check that isn't coming. Not everyone plays mafia waiting for PR to deliver some info, though. Palmer, correct me if I am wrong, but you're one of the few that doesn't advocate this playstyle? However, when a gambit like yours happened (success or not), obviously it will create a cloud of conflicting information in which they have to operate in. But I dont think it's quite fair to say that they are lost cause because they are 'waiting for red check that isn't coming'
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Post by palmer on May 5, 2017 14:25:42 GMT -8
Squidy and Kawl are both rattled. Going to be seeing Psylocke in their nightmares for a long time. All in all it seems like town is waiting for a red check that isn't coming. Not everyone plays mafia waiting for PR to deliver some info, though. Palmer, correct me if I am wrong, but you're one of the few that doesn't advocate this playstyle? However, when a gambit like yours happened (success or not), obviously it will create a cloud of conflicting information in which they have to operate in. But I dont think it's quite fair to say that they are lost cause because they are 'waiting for red check that isn't coming' It's definitely a bad idea to rely on power roles. You can't guarantee they'll ever be useful, if they even exist. I just watch for people flip flopping or acting different in general. Dat meta game. You also can't assume all vote fuck ups are scum. Innocent townies are going to be wrong sometimes. People who take no stance are who you should watch.
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Post by crimsonfist on May 5, 2017 14:35:18 GMT -8
We've had more fake cop claims than actual cop claims recently, so people shouldn't be waiting for power roles.
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Post by dusksoldier on May 5, 2017 14:48:13 GMT -8
Oh they can definitely turn this around.
They started the day phase off strong.
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Post by Sophia on May 5, 2017 14:53:25 GMT -8
Not everyone plays mafia waiting for PR to deliver some info, though. Palmer, correct me if I am wrong, but you're one of the few that doesn't advocate this playstyle? However, when a gambit like yours happened (success or not), obviously it will create a cloud of conflicting information in which they have to operate in. But I dont think it's quite fair to say that they are lost cause because they are 'waiting for red check that isn't coming' It's definitely a bad idea to rely on power roles. You can't guarantee they'll ever be useful, if they even exist. I just watch for people flip flopping or acting different in general. Dat meta game. You also can't assume all vote fuck ups are scum. Innocent townies are going to be wrong sometimes. People who take no stance are who you should watch. Innocent townies are actually going to be wrong like the vast majority of the time. A key aspect of Mafia is being able to determine who is an innocent townie arguing in good faith vs scum who are arguing in bad faith. So yeah, Palmer's got good advice here. >.<;
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Post by haly on May 5, 2017 15:39:21 GMT -8
Conversely, it's important for scum to be consistent. Too much flip flopping looks opportunistic and opportunism reads as scum to players like Palmer.
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Post by Roytheone on May 5, 2017 16:05:58 GMT -8
Conversely, it's important for scum to be consistent. Too much flip flopping looks opportunistic and opportunism reads as scum to players like Palmer. Yep. As scum I tend to pick some targets and stick with those. And if there is a push for a player I didn't see as a target, I will defend them just like I would do as town and not suddenly jump on that train.
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Post by Roytheone on May 5, 2017 16:14:58 GMT -8
Not going to lie, not fully ok with squidyj accusing people of throwing the game. That is accusing people of cheating which should be discussed with the mods and not in the thread. Doesn't help he is totally wrong so is publicly falsely accusing dragon of cheating. Kinda on the border and maybe a bit over it imo.
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Post by natiko on May 5, 2017 16:39:08 GMT -8
I assume Sorian was targeted last night?
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Post by crimsonfist on May 5, 2017 17:02:58 GMT -8
I assume Sorian was targeted last night? Yeah
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