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Post by cabot on Nov 16, 2016 2:53:02 GMT -8
I will say that QB has responded to my PM, so he will at least be here for game start. No replacement yet.
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Post by Burbeting on Nov 16, 2016 6:04:41 GMT -8
I don't think town has a watcher. Cabot is not a big fan of roles that gets lot of information easily, and watcher is one of them. Town tracker might be a real possibility, so I wouldn't suggest claiming that, unless we are forced our hand.
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Post by Sawneeks on Nov 16, 2016 10:22:10 GMT -8
Hey cabot, Are we allowed to know what the 'set amount of time' is for the Poison to take affect or do you want us to wait until the first victim kicks the bucket? Also, since I'm not super familiar with a Poisoner, if I were to target someone on Night 1 who was being protected by a Doctor would the Poison go through or would it be stopped? I don't really know what kind of player I am yet I'll go with whatever you guys come up with. Although I have a question about my power. Do you guys think it would be good to say stagger the use of my power early on in the game? (ie use it infrequently, maybe every other day)
I don't know how useful that would be to us necessarily, but idk I just like the idea of misleading the other players (and adding to the early game confusion)Hm. If I'm reading it right I think your power is delayed like mine is, meaning if you use it on Night 1 the person won't be Roleblocked until Night 2. So while I'm not against having Town question if this 'Call Out PR' is some sort of Odd/Even Night Neutral to just really mess with them I don't know if that's worth giving up the Roleblock for. Although if we were to do this ( or block/call-out one of our own ) it would probably be better to do it early game? Since the more players in the game the less likely we are to be hit by a Cop or for us to successfully hit the Cop/Doctor.
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Post by cabot on Nov 16, 2016 12:43:48 GMT -8
I will not reveal the set time it takes until death, nor the doctor rule.
I'm being all mystical.
I will confirm Evilisk's ability has a delay, since I stated it in the PM (albeit a bit muddled word-wise)
Evilisk targets someone N1 -> Call-out D2 -> Roleblocked N2.
Remember, if he is lynched in the above example on D2, the roleblock is gone.
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Post by cabot on Nov 16, 2016 12:51:51 GMT -8
I made a very useful and only slightly NSFW infographic to demonstrate my example You can thank me after the game finishes.
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Post by evilisk on Nov 16, 2016 15:14:51 GMT -8
Hm. If I'm reading it right I think your power is delayed like mine is, meaning if you use it on Night 1 the person won't be Roleblocked until Night 2. So while I'm not against having Town question if this 'Call Out PR' is some sort of Odd/Even Night Neutral to just really mess with them I don't know if that's worth giving up the Roleblock for. Although if we were to do this ( or block/call-out one of our own ) it would probably be better to do it early game? Since the more players in the game the less likely we are to be hit by a Cop or for us to successfully hit the Cop/Doctor. I was mostly thinking about the call out aspect which follows directly after the night. I forgot that the actual effect of the call out (the roleblock) doesn't happen until the next night... I guess it seems kind of useless to delay it due to the activation rate (if I were to delay using it, it'd have to be weird like Day 1 night activation/Day 2 effects -> Day 4/Day 5 etc.) and also because it's not guaranteed to work (Cabot just reminded me that if I get lynched during the day, the roleblock won't actually take effect) Yeah I should probably just use it normally then. Aside from what could happen during the day because of the call out, it's not like it's anything more than a role block anyway. I would definitely be fine with using it on one of our own early on. Though I hope the other two can chime in on this.
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Post by Sawneeks on Nov 16, 2016 19:25:01 GMT -8
Thanks cabot....i think? Soooo since I'm not allowed to know those things, what about knowing how many shots I have left/if a shot was successful? :p I was mostly thinking about the call out aspect which follows directly after the night. I forgot that the actual effect of the call out (the roleblock) doesn't happen until the next night... I guess it seems kind of useless to delay it due to the activation rate (if I were to delay using it, it'd have to be weird like Day 1 night activation/Day 2 effects -> Day 4/Day 5 etc.) and also because it's not guaranteed to work (Cabot just reminded me that if I get lynched during the day, the roleblock won't actually take effect) Yeah I should probably just use it normally then. Aside from what could happen during the day because of the call out, it's not like it's anything more than a role block anyway. I would definitely be fine with using it on one of our own early on. Though I hope the other two can chime in on this. Pretty much exactly my thoughts as well. If the delay wasn't there on the Roleblock I would say go for it but seeing as it doesn't activate until the following Night phase I'm a lot more hesitant to just let your ability sit. Using it on one of our own is an idea I'm willing to run with if all of you are cool with that. I've got two ideas when it comes to doing that: 1. We use it on one of our own on Night 1. This would lead to a bunch of trouble on Day 2 since Town will be like 'well what does that mean wtf' and a ton of attention is going to be placed on that person for that phase. However, if we can make it through Day 2 unscathed and Evilisk eventually flips for whatever reason then I highly doubt Town would be willing to accept that Scum roleblocked their own on Night 1 FULLY knowing they would be called out and attention would be brought to them. Pros: -'Why would Scum roleblock their own?' -'Why would Scum roleblock and call out their own on the first Night?' - TOWNIE POINTS Cons: - Lots of attention on whoever gets called out - We don't know how Town will react to the call out. Might lead to a lynch 'just to test it' - Someone among us loses their ability for a Night phase - Cop may check whoever got blocked because of the attention brought to them OR 2. We wait to see how Town reacts to the first call-out victim. Gauge their reaction and either wait another Day phase and mark another Townie or just go all-in and Call-Out one of us. Pros: - We get to see what Town does to the first call-out. If it's dangerous we hold back and don't do it. - We get to be in the 'middle of the pack' in the eventual Call-Out list and can blend in a little better - 'Why would Scum block/call-out one of their own' - TOWNIE POINTS Cons: - The smaller the player list the higher the chance we have of hitting a Cop/Doctor with a roleblock and, similarly, Town Cop has a higher chance to hit us. Giving up a Block for a Night could be costly - We lose an ability for the following Night - Cop may check whoever got blocked because of the attention brought to them tl;dr #UnnecessaryGambit that could pay off big if Evilisk were to ever flip but still brings in the 'uncertainty' factor if Evilisk lives until the End Game because the unknown nature of the call-out
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Post by Sawneeks on Nov 16, 2016 19:26:57 GMT -8
You know, this game has a 'delay' theme going on here Poison doesn't activate right away a Roleblock that doesn't go off until the following Night Phase The game itself starting after everyone elses I wonder if Town has something similar <3
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 16, 2016 20:56:26 GMT -8
I mean, cabot is a little slow
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Post by evilisk on Nov 16, 2016 22:28:34 GMT -8
Thanks cabot....i think? Soooo since I'm not allowed to know those things, what about knowing how many shots I have left/if a shot was successful?  I was mostly thinking about the call out aspect which follows directly after the night. I forgot that the actual effect of the call out (the roleblock) doesn't happen until the next night... I guess it seems kind of useless to delay it due to the activation rate (if I were to delay using it, it'd have to be weird like Day 1 night activation/Day 2 effects -> Day 4/Day 5 etc.) and also because it's not guaranteed to work (Cabot just reminded me that if I get lynched during the day, the roleblock won't actually take effect) Yeah I should probably just use it normally then. Aside from what could happen during the day because of the call out, it's not like it's anything more than a role block anyway. I would definitely be fine with using it on one of our own early on. Though I hope the other two can chime in on this. Pretty much exactly my thoughts as well. If the delay wasn't there on the Roleblock I would say go for it but seeing as it doesn't activate until the following Night phase I'm a lot more hesitant to just let your ability sit. Using it on one of our own is an idea I'm willing to run with if all of you are cool with that. I've got two ideas when it comes to doing that: 1. We use it on one of our own on Night 1. This would lead to a bunch of trouble on Day 2 since Town will be like 'well what does that mean wtf' and a ton of attention is going to be placed on that person for that phase. However, if we can make it through Day 2 unscathed and Evilisk eventually flips for whatever reason then I highly doubt Town would be willing to accept that Scum roleblocked their own on Night 1 FULLY knowing they would be called out and attention would be brought to them. Pros: -'Why would Scum roleblock their own?' -'Why would Scum roleblock and call out their own on the first Night?' - TOWNIE POINTS Cons: - Lots of attention on whoever gets called out - We don't know how Town will react to the call out. Might lead to a lynch 'just to test it' - Someone among us loses their ability for a Night phase - Cop may check whoever got blocked because of the attention brought to them OR 2. We wait to see how Town reacts to the first call-out victim. Gauge their reaction and either wait another Day phase and mark another Townie or just go all-in and Call-Out one of us. Pros: - We get to see what Town does to the first call-out. If it's dangerous we hold back and don't do it. - We get to be in the 'middle of the pack' in the eventual Call-Out list and can blend in a little better - 'Why would Scum block/call-out one of their own' - TOWNIE POINTS Cons: - The smaller the player list the higher the chance we have of hitting a Cop/Doctor with a roleblock and, similarly, Town Cop has a higher chance to hit us. Giving up a Block for a Night could be costly - We lose an ability for the following Night - Cop may check whoever got blocked because of the attention brought to them tl;dr #UnnecessaryGambit that could pay off big if Evilisk were to ever flip but still brings in the 'uncertainty' factor if Evilisk lives until the End Game because the unknown nature of the call-out I'm still gonna wait for the other two, but 1 just sounds needlessly risky. I just think the possibility of the cop checking the callout is way too high, especially if it's only the second day. The townies testing the call-out with a lynch is less likely than the cop checking, but if it does happen we could basically get a free kill without having to do anything (they also won't know about the roleblocking that way too) Idk I just feel like 1 is a rather risky plan to go off on, especially so early into the game. Unless we get a complete cluster of a Day 1, I don't think it'd be good to put attention on one of our own so quickly.
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Post by Sawneeks on Nov 16, 2016 23:14:15 GMT -8
Cabot's late?? 
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Post by cabot on Nov 17, 2016 1:21:52 GMT -8
No, I just put the wrong time in the countdown.
It's another 9.5 hours.
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Post by Sawneeks on Nov 17, 2016 8:27:23 GMT -8
A #SlayQueen is never late.
the party starts exactly when she intends it to.
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Post by Burbeting on Nov 17, 2016 10:06:35 GMT -8
You could just call out me. I'm a goon so... not too much lost?
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Post by Burbeting on Nov 17, 2016 10:08:14 GMT -8
We have the numbers advantage of being 4 scum in a 17 player game. So we are already in control of nearly 25% of the vote. That is our most powerful tool right now.
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Post by Sawneeks on Nov 17, 2016 11:21:17 GMT -8
QB you here? We don't bite. :c
Burb, you for the Night 1 call out or the Night 2 call out? Because you will get roleblocked the following Night so someone else will need to do the faction kill.
We do have our numbers, which makes me worry what Town has to balance it. I'd be wary of using our numbers to push votes so early though.
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Post by Burbeting on Nov 17, 2016 11:36:38 GMT -8
Cabot, can a scum member do both their special power and the faction kill at the same time?
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Post by cabot on Nov 17, 2016 13:09:43 GMT -8
No. Only if they are the last scum remaining.
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Post by Sawneeks on Nov 17, 2016 13:56:09 GMT -8
If we targeted Burb on Night 1 he would get called out on Day 2 and then subsequently blocked on Night 2. This means we would need someone else to do the kill. Evilisk and QB should keep up with their PRs as much as they can so that would leave me to do the NK. If everything works out I would still have 1 Poison shot left at that point so that wouldn't be too bad holding that off for a bit.
Or we push everything back by 1 Day, meaning we target Burb on Night 2, he gets called out on Day 3, and then is blocked on Night 3. If we wanted to use all the poison shots right away instead of saving one for later then I would have 0 left at that point, meaning me doing the NK doesn't really hinder much at all.
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Post by Sawneeks on Nov 17, 2016 13:56:40 GMT -8
Thanks cabot....i think? Soooo since I'm not allowed to know those things, what about knowing how many shots I have left/if a shot was successful? :pcabot plz
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Post by Burbeting on Nov 17, 2016 14:13:20 GMT -8
Goe my essay done, yay.
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Post by Sawneeks on Nov 17, 2016 14:26:30 GMT -8
Yay \o/
although not much has happened, everyone is being very reserved.
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Post by cabot on Nov 18, 2016 0:42:19 GMT -8
Thanks cabot....i think? Soooo since I'm not allowed to know those things, what about knowing how many shots I have left/if a shot was successful? :pcabot plz It's nice to want answers.
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Post by Burbeting on Nov 18, 2016 6:40:20 GMT -8
Where are you quantum broo
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Post by Burbeting on Nov 18, 2016 13:59:26 GMT -8
I want to vote for QB, but I'm scared I'll start a lynch train with it.
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Post by Burbeting on Nov 18, 2016 14:30:15 GMT -8
I would use the reasoning of "QB put out a reads list super early, that's fake contribution". Which it is.
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Post by Sawneeks on Nov 18, 2016 14:33:48 GMT -8
You're not alone Burb. :x
Town me would have voted on him after the joke answers yesterday but that reads list is really pushing it for me. But with how quiet everyone is I'm worried that the first person to get some real heat on them will be the one who ends up getting lynched regardless of how the rest of the Day phase goes.
With it being almost a week since we have been able to post here and not hearing anything from QB I'm really starting to think he is actively avoiding us. I don't want to bus him because we need our Tracker but at the same time I have no idea what he is doing or what we should be doing in response. It's incredibly annoying.
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Post by Sawneeks on Nov 18, 2016 16:27:38 GMT -8
goodness. at this rate not saying anything is the better move.
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Post by Burbeting on Nov 18, 2016 17:03:19 GMT -8
Kryptik scum reading you and me, not bad.
Still, putting out that thought about reads lists being kinda bad. Now that multiple people did it, it doesn't point out too much to Quantum's direction.
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Post by Burbeting on Nov 18, 2016 17:10:14 GMT -8
Sawneeks has heat from both Kryptik and Castamere, at least according to the read lists. Interesting devlopment.
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