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Post by crimsonfist on May 7, 2016 16:20:28 GMT -8
Would be risky. If the kill fails to go through for whatever reason, you have two scum outed the next day.
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Post by weemadarthur on May 7, 2016 16:24:17 GMT -8
here's an interesting scenario Bronx sits next to kalor and one other scum, kalor reveals, they decide to kill Bronx that night But would Kalor have suppressed the chat by existing? Is it passive? Still an interesting scenario! Launchpad is going to have to come clean. This may be an exciting day!
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Post by weemadarthur on May 7, 2016 16:27:11 GMT -8
I want my team to have a fake claim that would work.
Like, fidgeter*. Sets off motion detectors. Negative utility town role, or useful because there's a scum motion detector.
What fake claims did you give us again? Poison doctor, commuter.... I don't remember. I wasn't ever going to make a claim other than ordinary.
*Because the bride requested he be gagged.
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Post by weemadarthur on May 7, 2016 16:32:46 GMT -8
Oh, I found them.
Er... A minor point....ynnny is a fake name claim, but....she openly stated in the spec here main thread that she asked not to be a role.....and Seath wants to use her name. Is this something that could be pointed out?
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Post by crimsonfist on May 7, 2016 16:40:28 GMT -8
Only really an issue if he's not claiming vanilla, right? Although that would be a dumb meta reason to be caught out on, especially if they were given as safe claims should use me as his fake claim
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Post by weemadarthur on May 7, 2016 16:51:21 GMT -8
Only really an issue if he's not claiming vanilla, right? Although that would be a dumb meta reason to be caught out on, especially if they were given as safe claims should use me as his fake claim Funny you should say that.... This game really IS topful of irony.
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Post by crimsonfist on May 7, 2016 16:55:02 GMT -8
Only really an issue if he's not claiming vanilla, right? Although that would be a dumb meta reason to be caught out on, especially if they were given as safe claims should use me as his fake claim Funny you should say that.... This game really IS topful of irony. I know that I'm a fake scum claim if that's what you mean, I asked Retro pre game
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Post by weemadarthur on May 7, 2016 17:33:34 GMT -8
Ok, so, now that camjo has explained the "arsonist" role....was it ever intended to kill? Or just splash gasoline everywhere so nobody can really enjoy their alcohol poisoning?
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Post by Retro on May 7, 2016 17:37:23 GMT -8
It was not originally intended to kill unless it got everybody. The game has it flipped - Ouro has the killing role, Camjo has the licking role.
The original intention was that the arsonist could only win if he doused every remaining player in the game, but at that time, scum and town would both lose and the arsonist would be the sole victor. It was later decided that this alone was too difficult, so we gave him the ability to ignite.
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Post by Retro on May 7, 2016 17:41:30 GMT -8
And right here, we see why Camjo's plan was never going to work. Props to him for trying, though. Scum will definitely be blocking him, or possibly killing him shortly. Assuming Town doesn't do it first, of course.
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Post by weemadarthur on May 7, 2016 17:46:48 GMT -8
A no-win game would be really fascinating for the annals.
And mafia wouldn't stop him if he didn't douse them.
He should not be trying to suck up to town. This is just a more successful suicide move than hyper (Allegedly) managed. The day could be cut short, and mafia will be able to roleblock and kill most important remaining town power roles. Go scum!
Camjo, when you get here....you're the only sane one in the game. These role claims have all been unbelievable and they should be scrutinized, not merely accepted. And you're hilarious too. I loved your options list.
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Post by crimsonfist on May 7, 2016 18:05:12 GMT -8
If we get really pedantic, he wouldn't be a threat to town if he was out of ignites.
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Post by Hyperactivity on May 7, 2016 18:09:52 GMT -8
Wtf is this shit?!ARGH WHY?
He was in a vulnerable position for the late game, and the scum role block really hurt him, but there was no reason to do this
Man, can I at least go in there and defend my honor as not having tried to suicide if he's just gonna give up. Only possibility is non is scum and scum made a deal, have an override, but even still this is stupid lol
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Post by weemadarthur on May 7, 2016 18:10:15 GMT -8
If we get really pedantic, he wouldn't be a threat to town if he was out of ignites. Oh wow, we could run a poll to see how the moderator ought to resolve it, purely on a semantic level. but if I were the mod, I'd adjourn to Hawaii for a honeymoon trip and just never answer.
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Post by Hyperactivity on May 7, 2016 18:13:54 GMT -8
No, thinking back on it, the roleblock combined with the dousing being known doomed him from the beginning.
Sheesh, retro, you initially gave me a useless role in a game with two role blocks, telling my targets what happened, but also making it sound like we were a major threat
Drinks aren't as scary as being doused
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Post by Hyperactivity on May 7, 2016 18:15:21 GMT -8
Lol nin is scum isn't he
This game just drastically changed
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Post by crimsonfist on May 7, 2016 18:19:11 GMT -8
As I said earlier, presence of a commuter hurt you a lot too. Assuming Burb is actually a commuter.
But on the upside, you weren't the Serial Killer in WWE.
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Post by weemadarthur on May 7, 2016 18:21:25 GMT -8
AB says But I'd like to go on record as saying that just one neutral in a game is capable of annoying everyone all at once. See Batman for proof.
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Post by crimsonfist on May 7, 2016 18:22:43 GMT -8
or Ace Attorney
#Xamxiety
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Post by Retro on May 7, 2016 18:30:59 GMT -8
(head in hands) I don't understand this game anymore.
Hyper, you can defend yourself in the game thread AFTER the game is over. Anything else risks spoilers.
That role was never meant to be easy, (Palmer's idea) but if Camjo had kept his head down, he could have played through.
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Post by weemadarthur on May 7, 2016 18:35:40 GMT -8
(head in hands) I don't understand this game anymore. The answer is always: claim your role. In the event this goes badly: suicide and vote yourself. They all still think godfather is the most valuable scum role after the cop has already been outed/killed. It immediately becomes Least Valuable scum role. Nin and launchpad are going to end up thunder doming themselves because they're each in love with their own gambit. Seems like Gafia to me. Where did you think this was being played?
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Post by Hyperactivity on May 7, 2016 18:46:27 GMT -8
(head in hands) I don't understand this game anymore. Hyper, you can defend yourself in the game thread AFTER the game is over. Anything else risks spoilers. That role was never meant to be easy, (Palmer's idea) but if Camjo had kept his head down, he could have played through. I think he could've played till endgame, but I highly doubt he would've had a chance at winning Why? Launch jailing AB gives him an extra day, except scum know who he is now. They let him ignite one night, and then are back on him. They keep him alive, but at the end of the day, he's getting killed by them Two roleblockers (1 of which protects) is pretty deadly tbh. Had targets not been told that they were doused, it would still be an issue, but the fact that a roleblocker hitting him is this damaging is crazy There was ONE way he could have played this - he claims getting doused last night. And then he loses his use of his ignite for the rest of the game
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Post by Retro on May 7, 2016 20:08:51 GMT -8
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Post by Hyperactivity on May 7, 2016 21:14:13 GMT -8
Let's not Let's not read that chat Pls guys. Mods, especially Ouro, are mean
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Post by Hyperactivity on May 7, 2016 21:25:47 GMT -8
That was part of why I lived my role so much. I was a part of that chat, plus Kingkittys lover in love boat. Getting Kingkittys role, especially when I had wanted to play a neutral for so long, was a blessing, and I had REALLY REALLY wanted to play that entire role through
That's also why, in my pre-game avatar post, I stayed with my puss in boots avatar, which I had originally chosen for love boat to match kk's avatar
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Post by Bronx-Man on May 7, 2016 22:03:32 GMT -8
Ughhhhhhhhhh, this sucks. Stupid role-blocking.
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Post by yn on May 8, 2016 5:29:45 GMT -8
kk chat was the best chat of all time :>
if i need to edit any of my posts tell me guize
<3
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Post by palmer on May 8, 2016 7:10:23 GMT -8
Whoever pointed out he's not a threat if he can't ignite is correct. He's no longer a threat to town at that point. He also can't achieve his win condition and would thus be removed from the game.
It was never meant to be an easy role. Scum and town should be somewhat balanced, but neutrals can be anywhere on the scale. The arsonist role was meant to disrupt both teams but actually winning was unlikely.
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Post by Splinter on May 8, 2016 7:24:32 GMT -8
Damnit Roy, that isn't how to statistics.
Also, #teamnolongerteamcamjo
Only way this could get to that stalemate is if he intentionally played against his win condition - which shouldn't be allowed.
Shame he claimed, think he was doing well up to then
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Post by Retro on May 8, 2016 8:38:11 GMT -8
Whoever pointed out he's not a threat if he can't ignite is correct. He's no longer a threat to town at that point. He also can't achieve his win condition and would thus be removed from the game. It was never meant to be an easy role. Scum and town should be somewhat balanced, but neutrals can be anywhere on the scale. The arsonist role was meant to disrupt both teams but actually winning was unlikely. Also: The flavor for Ouro's drinks is intentionally vague, leaning toward positive. The Arsonist's flavor is basically "you were doused with gasoline last night." It's a little more poetic than that, but the point is, it's NOT going to be mistaken for something GOOD. A big part of the arsonist ability was to raise the paranoia level for the rest of the game. We wanted people looking over their shoulders during every night phase.
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