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Post by Retro on Apr 12, 2016 12:20:48 GMT -8
Well, as Sorian thinks Launch and I are both scum, I can only assume that he plans to betray.
Correct, Beanie?
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Post by Sorian on Apr 12, 2016 12:26:23 GMT -8
Well, as Sorian thinks Launch and I are both scum, I can only assume that he plans to betray. Correct, Beanie? Correct and I do apologize if I am wrong. In my version of events, today is a terrible line up. The only thing that could potentially come out good is if Nin decides to have a heart and ally (because both Crimson and Scrafty should ally IMO) which would at least put those two at 9 again.
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Post by Retro on Apr 12, 2016 12:39:21 GMT -8
Well, as Sorian thinks Launch and I are both scum, I can only assume that he plans to betray. Correct, Beanie? Correct and I do apologize if I am wrong. In my version of events, today is a terrible line up. The only thing that could potentially come out good is if Nin decides to have a heart and ally (because both Crimson and Scrafty should ally IMO) which would at least put those two at 9 again. Fair enough. I don't trust either of you, so a betrayal is in my best interests.
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Post by crimsonfist on Apr 12, 2016 12:42:17 GMT -8
Well, as Sorian thinks Launch and I are both scum, I can only assume that he plans to betray. Correct, Beanie? Correct and I do apologize if I am wrong. In my version of events, today is a terrible line up. The only thing that could potentially come out good is if Nin decides to have a heart and ally (because both Crimson and Scrafty should ally IMO) which would at least put those two at 9 again. Honestly, looking at today's lineup, I think we should all just betray. There's no scenario where we can get three people out unless the neutrals are willing to lose, and there's not really much difference between sitting at 8 and sitting at 9 tomorrow, either way you'd need another ally to stay there the following night and escape. Otherwise we're too dependent on the neutrals. If Scrafty allies and Nin betrays, that puts Scrafty down to 6.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 12, 2016 12:46:19 GMT -8
Correct and I do apologize if I am wrong. In my version of events, today is a terrible line up. The only thing that could potentially come out good is if Nin decides to have a heart and ally (because both Crimson and Scrafty should ally IMO) which would at least put those two at 9 again. Honestly, looking at today's lineup, I think we should all just betray. There's no scenario where we can get three people out unless the neutrals are willing to lose, and there's not really much difference between sitting at 8 and sitting at 9 tomorrow, either way you'd need another ally to stay there the following night and escape. Otherwise we're too dependent on the neutrals. If Scrafty allies and Nin betrays, that puts Scrafty down to 6. True, we need to shuffle points a little bit though. Obviously people weren't ok with Scrafty or I going through with the neutrals.
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 12, 2016 13:31:01 GMT -8
I for one will ally. No need to be a Dick today
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Post by nin1000 on Apr 12, 2016 13:31:30 GMT -8
Retro, I would suggest to betray Sorian, since he is mafia
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Post by Sorian on Apr 12, 2016 13:47:32 GMT -8
I for one will ally. No need to be a Dick today Gotta keep telling people you will ally so that eventually someone will feed you points again Retro, I would suggest to betray Sorian, since he is mafia I already said I am betraying him so no issue there.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 12, 2016 15:08:03 GMT -8
I would have words with Sorian and Scrafty. When I get to computer.
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 12, 2016 15:24:33 GMT -8
nin, can I trust you to ally? I'm fine doing so in order to push you through to escapee status, but even if you betray me it'll only reflect poorly on you. You're going to get 9 points regardless of what you choose anyway.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 12, 2016 16:34:20 GMT -8
I would have words with Sorian and Scrafty. When I get to computer. I look forward to them.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 12, 2016 19:16:50 GMT -8
I would have words with Sorian and Scrafty. When I get to computer. I look forward to them. opwillsurelydeliver.jpg
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 12, 2016 19:21:28 GMT -8
He's trying to think of ways to spin his blatantly villainous ways in a positive light, no doubt.
Crimson's probably scum too actually but I'm willing to take the hit if it means securing nin as one of the escapees.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 12, 2016 19:25:23 GMT -8
He's trying to think of ways to spin his blatantly villainous ways in a positive light, no doubt. Crimson's probably scum too actually but I'm willing to take the hit if it means securing nin as one of the escapees. Who do you think the 3 scum are now?
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 12, 2016 19:39:39 GMT -8
He's trying to think of ways to spin his blatantly villainous ways in a positive light, no doubt. Crimson's probably scum too actually but I'm willing to take the hit if it means securing nin as one of the escapees. Who do you think the 3 scum are now? Likely Launch, Crimson and Retro. I want to believe in Retro but I can't think of anyone else with voting patterns as suspect as his.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 12, 2016 19:48:05 GMT -8
Who do you think the 3 scum are now? Likely Launch, Crimson and Retro. I want to believe in Retro but I can't think of anyone else with voting patterns as suspect as his. We agree for the most part. What makes you think Crimson over Kalor?
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 12, 2016 19:49:58 GMT -8
I'm voting Betray... that's about it for me. Hm, predicatable. Whoever gets Terra next time, make sure you push him through to Escapee status. I don't care one bit about whether I end up with it or not but we have to work as hard as we can to push both nin and Terra through in order to minimize the number of unknown factors in the final 3. I'm personally fine with Sorian being the third in that trifecta, but if some people have doubts then please voice them. Don't let obstructionists like Launch cloud your perspective. Generic townie post about how she's selfless and only wants to push the neutrals through. Hm, predictable. Hm, predicatable. Whoever gets Terra next time, make sure you push him through to Escapee status. I don't care one bit about whether I end up with it or not but we have to work as hard as we can to push both nin and Terra through in order to minimize the number of unknown factors in the final 3. I'm personally fine with Sorian being the third in that trifecta, but if some people have doubts then please voice them. Don't let obstructionists like Launch cloud your perspective. Launch was trying really hard to get me to give him a blessing to vote betray. Didn't get it and still chooses to vote betray.
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First, I wasn't looking for your blessing, I was looking for discussion. You're the most active. Who the hell else am I supposed to ask? Even Scrafty wasn't around to refute what I was saying. However, second and more importantly, your reaction to what is very obviously scum actions taking place is very telling - complete ignorance. Even if this isn't mafia, this is still a game based in reads, and your complete lack of them over Crimson's Ally decision is baffling to me. It's the most inexplicable action thus far. There are actions that have been justified by self-preservation and mistrust, but to actually trust someone implicitly? There's obviously some kind of extra information we are missing here and nobody seems to acknowledge. Specifically, you, who I've poked about it, has not thought much of it. I'm not sure if you're phoning it in this game with this scum strategy, but it's really blatant. I didn't really need a reason to Betray this phase, because you mistrust me, but you've not shown me much to trust you anyway.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 12, 2016 19:53:26 GMT -8
As for Retro, I will say what I said last phase. His murky reasoning for voting Betray on the neutrals does not hold up, so Betray-Betray this phase is the best action anyway.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 12, 2016 20:13:56 GMT -8
Launch was trying really hard to get me to give him a blessing to vote betray. Didn't get it and still chooses to vote betray.
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First, I wasn't looking for your blessing, I was looking for discussion. You're the most active. Who the hell else am I supposed to ask? Even Scrafty wasn't around to refute what I was saying. However, second and more importantly, your reaction to what is very obviously scum actions taking place is very telling - complete ignorance. Even if this isn't mafia, this is still a game based in reads, and your complete lack of them over Crimson's Ally decision is baffling to me. It's the most inexplicable action thus far. There are actions that have been justified by self-preservation and mistrust, but to actually trust someone implicitly? There's obviously some kind of extra information we are missing here and nobody seems to acknowledge. Specifically, you, who I've poked about it, has not thought much of it. I'm not sure if you're phoning it in this game with this scum strategy, but it's really blatant. I didn't really need a reason to Betray this phase, because you mistrust me, but you've not shown me much to trust you anyway. I see nothing wrong with Crimson allying. It would mean both him and Scrafty are scum and I just don't see that being the case meaning that he was fine boosting another person he thought was town. You can call me blatant scum all you want, it doesn't change the facts.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 12, 2016 20:18:18 GMT -8
This is unusually dense for you, Sorian. I feel like you're covering something up, like you usually do when you get like this.
Anyway, I see I'm wasting my time with you, at least for right now. I'm not sure what you know that I don't.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 12, 2016 20:35:37 GMT -8
Scum: Scrafty Crimson Retro
Town: RNH Launch Kalor
Neutral: Terra Nin
Playing 4th Dimensional Chess: Sorian
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Apr 13, 2016 4:55:02 GMT -8
Ok, so here's how this is going to work:
I'm choosing ally tonight. Whether that means nin and Crimson choose to cooperate or betray, nin will end up with 9 points and secure escapee status.
Sorian, I trust you're going to betray in order to stonewall Launch. Not that you have much of a choice, but we need to focus on stonewalling him in particular because he's one Betrayal away from escapee status.
Kalor, Terra and RNH: if you all cooperate, things will be looking up tomorrow. I trust that RNH is town, so if he starts tomorrow with 8 points it'll put another towny on the brink of escapee status, which makes up for the two point defecit I'm likely going to have going into tomorrow. Hopefully, either Sorian or RNH will have completely innocent opponents tomorrow so we can finally finish this off right, but even if they don't we'll still be in a better position than we're in today.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 13, 2016 8:33:30 GMT -8
I don't... ok.
Sorian, I'll do what I can to boost you to escapee status. I legitimately don't trust Scrafty, but I think you're a safe pick for escapee. What you think of me is irrelevant to that.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 13, 2016 8:33:49 GMT -8
*Boost Sorian + the two neutrals
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Post by Sorian on Apr 13, 2016 8:39:27 GMT -8
I don't... ok. Sorian, I'll do what I can to boost you to escapee status. I legitimately don't trust Scrafty, but I think you're a safe pick for escapee. What you think of me is irrelevant to that. I thought I was really blatant with my scum strategy?
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 13, 2016 9:38:38 GMT -8
I don't... ok. Sorian, I'll do what I can to boost you to escapee status. I legitimately don't trust Scrafty, but I think you're a safe pick for escapee. What you think of me is irrelevant to that. I thought I was really blatant with my scum strategy? I revised that assessment overnight (well, before going to bed really). It's obvious there's something you're holding back, but I think it's something that you've noticed that's out in the open. I don't think it's scum motivated.
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Post by Sorian on Apr 13, 2016 9:50:39 GMT -8
I thought I was really blatant with my scum strategy? I revised that assessment overnight (well, before going to bed really). It's obvious there's something you're holding back, but I think it's something that you've noticed that's out in the open. I don't think it's scum motivated. I'll be 100% honest with you, I'm not holding anything back (at least I don't think I am). The game breeds a lot of distrust and suspicion but no one is getting through the door without one side bending for another unless we all ally which is a probably loss for town because scum will sneak in. You claim yourself that you are planning to boost me because you think I am town's best shot at the moment. Does that mean you and I are scum buddies? Is that not the exact same situation of Crimson intentionally boosting Scrafty? Could Scrafty and Crimson be scum together based on that move? Of course, but I don't read them both as scum based on other things in this thread which means I'm more prone to believe that Crimson was town trusting of Scrafty and decided to boost here, what you say you plan to do with me if I read you right.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 13, 2016 10:17:05 GMT -8
I revised that assessment overnight (well, before going to bed really). It's obvious there's something you're holding back, but I think it's something that you've noticed that's out in the open. I don't think it's scum motivated. I'll be 100% honest with you, I'm not holding anything back (at least I don't think I am). The game breeds a lot of distrust and suspicion but no one is getting through the door without one side bending for another unless we all ally which is a probably loss for town because scum will sneak in. You claim yourself that you are planning to boost me because you think I am town's best shot at the moment. Does that mean you and I are scum buddies? Is that not the exact same situation of Crimson intentionally boosting Scrafty? Could Scrafty and Crimson be scum together based on that move? Of course, but I don't read them both as scum based on other things in this thread which means I'm more prone to believe that Crimson was town trusting of Scrafty and decided to boost here, what you say you plan to do with me if I read you right. Well, I was going to say something to this but... So Retro should ally and take Terra and Nin up to 9, so they both lose, but there's no way for them to get out of that, if Retro allies then they get to 9 regardless of which they pick. Then we need one more to 9 for the game to end, which could be Sorian or Scrafty this round. So if me or Kalor choose to ally. If we do decide to end the game this round though, we shouldn't get both of them to 9, safer to only get 3 out. Fuck. Ok, I missed this post entirely. Crimson did say he was going to boost Scrafty. So I fucked it up by voting Betray. I'm feeling pretty stupid right now.
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Post by Launchpad on Apr 13, 2016 10:18:38 GMT -8
Alright, well in that case, I think my scum are: Scrafty Retro Kalor
I'm still not really town-reading Scrafty. Retro is just lol. Kalor has been a mixed bag for me so far.
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Post by RobotNinjaHornets on Apr 13, 2016 11:07:11 GMT -8
Oh for fucks sake, I had half a post written out but my tablet decided it wanted to just replace the tab with the post in with one I wanted to reopen so now it's lost
Goddamnit
*starts again*
Sorry everyone that my activity's dropped off, I've been pretty busy the last couple of days
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