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Post by Sorian on Mar 12, 2016 12:19:40 GMT -8
Why do you think Kira wouldn't kill the first day Fire?
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Post by Roytheone on Mar 12, 2016 12:20:43 GMT -8
I know I'm making a lot of assumptions, I'm just trying to wrap my head around <I>what exactly we are supposed to be doing</I> during the day. If Kira writes in it during the day, then the next town person should be able to determine a difference. If they do it at night, then we have to figure out how he/she knows our names. There is no night phase though....
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Post by Ourobolus on Mar 12, 2016 12:22:20 GMT -8
I know I'm making a lot of assumptions, I'm just trying to wrap my head around <I>what exactly we are supposed to be doing</I> during the day. If Kira writes in it during the day, then the next town person should be able to determine a difference. If they do it at night, then we have to figure out how he/she knows our names. There is no night phase though.... Whatever you want to call the "end of day," then, as Kark put it.
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Post by Fireblend on Mar 12, 2016 12:24:42 GMT -8
Why do you think Kira wouldn't kill the first day Fire? Because as soon as someone notices a change they'll just point out a change occurred? The best the Kira player can accomplish as his role has been explained to us (or as I understand it) is some sort of Thunderdome with the one who gets the DN after/before, by claiming he got the book with something already written on it, or by framing the next player by saying no edits were made. I would expect the Kira player to rely on the "end of cycle" elimination for a few rounds before trying to write a name on the note. Also, we still don't know how he's supposed to figure out our real names.
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Post by Sorian on Mar 12, 2016 12:28:19 GMT -8
Why do you think Kira wouldn't kill the first day Fire? Because as soon as someone notices a change they'll just point out a change occurred? The best the Kira player can accomplish as his role has been explained to us (or as I understand it) is some sort of Thunderdome with the one who gets the DN after/before, by claiming he got the book with something already written on it, or by framing the next player by saying no edits were made. I would expect the Kira player to rely on the "end of cycle" elimination for a few rounds before trying to write a name on the note. Also, we still don't know how he's supposed to figure out our real names. Well I'd assume Kira has at least one persons name so far. I also expect shinigami eyes in some way but I wonder if that is test worthy or something saved for the full game.
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Post by Fireblend on Mar 12, 2016 12:39:50 GMT -8
Because as soon as someone notices a change they'll just point out a change occurred? The best the Kira player can accomplish as his role has been explained to us (or as I understand it) is some sort of Thunderdome with the one who gets the DN after/before, by claiming he got the book with something already written on it, or by framing the next player by saying no edits were made. I would expect the Kira player to rely on the "end of cycle" elimination for a few rounds before trying to write a name on the note. Also, we still don't know how he's supposed to figure out our real names. Well I'd assume Kira has at least one persons name so far. I also expect shinigami eyes in some way but I wonder if that is test worthy or something saved for the full game. Sure, but that just makes it easier to deduce who Kira is if their partner is the first one to die. And of course flavor-wise there are ways Kira can know/learn our names, but there's hardly one single way to translate that into game mechanics.
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Post by Roytheone on Mar 12, 2016 12:41:06 GMT -8
Why do you think Kira wouldn't kill the first day Fire? Because as soon as someone notices a change they'll just point out a change occurred? The best the Kira player can accomplish as his role has been explained to us (or as I understand it) is some sort of Thunderdome with the one who gets the DN after/before, by claiming he got the book with something already written on it, or by framing the next player by saying no edits were made. I would expect the Kira player to rely on the "end of cycle" elimination for a few rounds before trying to write a name on the note. Also, we still don't know how he's supposed to figure out our real names. Wouldn't this make it impossible for him to do any "name kill", unless that kill would win him the game? I expect he will have a way to kill and avoid that scenario.
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Post by Fireblend on Mar 12, 2016 12:50:15 GMT -8
Wouldn't this make it impossible for him to do any "name kill", unless that kill would win him the game? I expect he will have a way to kill and avoid that scenario. Sure. That's why I said "as I understand it". For now I'd rather we acted with the information we have until we see evidence for whatever Kira will use if anything to bypass the obvious strategies. We can't discount the possibility of there actually being some sort of scum team instead of a single scum player either. That's where my occam's razor thinking is leading me.
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Post by Sawneeks on Mar 12, 2016 12:52:00 GMT -8
So we all agree that Sawneeks is Kira, right It's true, sleeping in on a Saturday is a #scumtell. brb still catching up
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Post by Sawneeks on Mar 12, 2016 13:15:57 GMT -8
Ok I do actually have a point to make here. True for literally everyone. I think this comment is analogous to distancing yourself from your own vote. First up, this only clears Sorian if there is a lone scum. Sorian has been stating this as truth since the start, and it's already been called into question. He then proceeds to set up a WIFOM-y situation, which he fully knows people will just not bother trying to analyse. -Not taking responsibility for his vote -Faulty logic and/or misinformation about scum team -Early appeal to WIFOM "get out of jail free" card Would vote (to lynch, if such a thing existed) ALSO if I die, Sorian did it. He knows my name. #rekt That is an interesting way to edit my quote since the important difference is what you left out. He needs to get the book TWICE. Also you're right but I am going to continue to contend that there is only one killer until I see anything to prove otherwise. That's how this test was set up and I haven't seen anything to make think that's changed.No consideration that our mutual friend could kill you? Maybe it's VI coming back to haunt me but I'm not digging this narrative you're pushing Sorian. 'We have no evidence of multiple Scum'? Our win condition says we need to eliminate 'ALL the Forces of Kira' in order to win. It doesn't say 'Find Kira' or just 'Eliminate Kira', which would make sense if we needed to find 1 person, instead it says 'ALL Forces' which makes me think there are multiple Scum here at play. Maybe you have outside info or knowledge on how the game was set up, fine, but just by going off of what we have now I don't think it's only 1 Scum we have to find. :/
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Post by Sorian on Mar 12, 2016 13:38:40 GMT -8
That is an interesting way to edit my quote since the important difference is what you left out. He needs to get the book TWICE. Also you're right but I am going to continue to contend that there is only one killer until I see anything to prove otherwise. That's how this test was set up and I haven't seen anything to make think that's changed.No consideration that our mutual friend could kill you? Maybe it's VI coming back to haunt me but I'm not digging this narrative you're pushing Sorian. 'We have no evidence of multiple Scum'? Our win condition says we need to eliminate 'ALL the Forces of Kira' in order to win. It doesn't say 'Find Kira' or just 'Eliminate Kira', which would make sense if we needed to find 1 person, instead it says 'ALL Forces' which makes me think there are multiple Scum here at play. Maybe you have outside info or knowledge on how the game was set up, fine, but just by going off of what we have now I don't think it's only 1 Scum we have to find. :/ Read the OP again, it actually specifically says "Eliminate Kira to win" Now yes, I know our role PM says something different and we can make this more complicated than necessary but I still see no reason why I should assume this is harder than it probably is.
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Post by cornb on Mar 12, 2016 13:39:04 GMT -8
Ok I just got home from work. And I have to go to a bday dinner tonight. So a replacement for me might be beneficial if you want a better test with an active player. Otherwise I can't do much today.
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Post by Sawneeks on Mar 12, 2016 13:52:45 GMT -8
Maybe it's VI coming back to haunt me but I'm not digging this narrative you're pushing Sorian. 'We have no evidence of multiple Scum'? Our win condition says we need to eliminate 'ALL the Forces of Kira' in order to win. It doesn't say 'Find Kira' or just 'Eliminate Kira', which would make sense if we needed to find 1 person, instead it says 'ALL Forces' which makes me think there are multiple Scum here at play. Maybe you have outside info or knowledge on how the game was set up, fine, but just by going off of what we have now I don't think it's only 1 Scum we have to find. :/ Read the OP again, it actually specifically says "Eliminate Kira to win" Now yes, I know our role PM says something different and we can make this more complicated than necessary but I still see no reason why I should assume this is harder than it probably is. I don't know, less doesn't always mean the game is easier. coughHeistcough And correct me if I'm wrong but after taking a stop at the Death Note Wiki it looks like 'Kira' isn't really just one person but more of a group of people going by the moniker in order to hide their identity. "Eliminate Kira to win" could mean just 1 Kira, 2 Kira, 4 Kira, etc. and doesn't explicitly mean we have just one person to deal with here. Couple that with Kark's rule change when the game started and the 'elimate all the Forces of Kira to win' line and I think locking ourselves into the idea of there only being 1 Scum is setting ourselves up to fail.
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Post by Kawl on Mar 12, 2016 14:09:42 GMT -8
Yea I've got a (aka a single) person who's name I know you scummy bastards. Also, sorry for sleeping/volunteering/getting a bit of a day drink in. #scum tell indeed.
also yea, misa, higuchi, mikami, etc etc give precedence for Kira being 2+ people.
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Post by cornb on Mar 12, 2016 14:11:55 GMT -8
Ok so can I out the person's name that I know?
Kawl is Terry Terumi.
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Post by Kawl on Mar 12, 2016 14:12:51 GMT -8
yo, what the actual fuck
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Post by Roytheone on Mar 12, 2016 14:13:34 GMT -8
Ok so can I out the person's name that I know? Kawl is Terry Terumi. Why would you do this? Do you hate Kawl?
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Post by Sorian on Mar 12, 2016 14:17:49 GMT -8
Read the OP again, it actually specifically says "Eliminate Kira to win" Now yes, I know our role PM says something different and we can make this more complicated than necessary but I still see no reason why I should assume this is harder than it probably is. I don't know, less doesn't always mean the game is easier. coughHeistcough And correct me if I'm wrong but after taking a stop at the Death Note Wiki it looks like 'Kira' isn't really just one person but more of a group of people going by the moniker in order to hide their identity. "Eliminate Kira to win" could mean just 1 Kira, 2 Kira, 4 Kira, etc. and doesn't explicitly mean we have just one person to deal with here. Couple that with Kark's rule change when the game started and the 'elimate all the Forces of Kira to win' line and I think locking ourselves into the idea of there only being 1 Scum is setting ourselves up to fail. Just for flavor purposes, no Kira was only one person. People helped him and others worked under the name pretending to be him but there was only ever one Kira.
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Post by Sorian on Mar 12, 2016 14:19:32 GMT -8
Ok so can I out the person's name that I know? Kawl is Terry Terumi. I don't believe this is real to be quite honest.
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Post by Sawneeks on Mar 12, 2016 14:23:59 GMT -8
I don't know, less doesn't always mean the game is easier. coughHeistcough And correct me if I'm wrong but after taking a stop at the Death Note Wiki it looks like 'Kira' isn't really just one person but more of a group of people going by the moniker in order to hide their identity. "Eliminate Kira to win" could mean just 1 Kira, 2 Kira, 4 Kira, etc. and doesn't explicitly mean we have just one person to deal with here. Couple that with Kark's rule change when the game started and the 'elimate all the Forces of Kira to win' line and I think locking ourselves into the idea of there only being 1 Scum is setting ourselves up to fail. Just for flavor purposes, no Kira was only one person. People helped him and others worked under the name pretending to be him but there was only ever one Kira. Huh, okay. I should really watch Death Note at some point... Ok so can I out the person's name that I know? Kawl is Terry Terumi. I don't believe this is real to be quite honest. I'm agreeing with you on this one, although it's mostly because I hope Corn didn't actually just paint a target on Kawl. >.>
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Post by Kawl on Mar 12, 2016 14:24:27 GMT -8
I don't know, less doesn't always mean the game is easier. coughHeistcough And correct me if I'm wrong but after taking a stop at the Death Note Wiki it looks like 'Kira' isn't really just one person but more of a group of people going by the moniker in order to hide their identity. "Eliminate Kira to win" could mean just 1 Kira, 2 Kira, 4 Kira, etc. and doesn't explicitly mean we have just one person to deal with here. Couple that with Kark's rule change when the game by Advertise"> started and the 'elimate all the Forces of Kira to win' line and I think locking ourselves into the idea of there only being 1 Scum is setting ourselves up to fail. Just for flavor purposes, no Kira was only one person. People helped him and others by Advertise"> worked under the name pretending to be him but there was only ever one Kira. L deduced in the anime that there was likely multiple people acting as Kira and as far as the wiki article goes it refers to the people I mentioned as the "second Kira" and "third Kira" and so on. So I guess we can say we disagree on the semantics of the situation.
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Post by Splinter on Mar 12, 2016 14:24:58 GMT -8
RIP
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Post by cornb on Mar 12, 2016 14:36:41 GMT -8
Ok so can I out the person's name that I know? Kawl is Terry Terumi. Why would you do this? Do you hate Kawl? This is a game test. What if Xam was playing in this game? You think he wouldn't spill someone's real name D1?
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 12, 2016 14:38:17 GMT -8
Really outing kawl like that? Why even fake it?
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Post by cornb on Mar 12, 2016 14:41:18 GMT -8
From what I understand all we have to do is pass Kawl the notebook and he'll be safe from being killed.
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Post by crimsonfist on Mar 12, 2016 14:42:25 GMT -8
From what I understand all we have to do is pass Kawl the notebook and he'll be safe from being killed. Safe from being killed by town, not safe from Kira.
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Post by Sorian on Mar 12, 2016 14:42:55 GMT -8
From what I understand all we have to do is pass Kawl the notebook and he'll be safe from being killed. Presumably, the killer can only kill someone if they know the person's real name. I feel like you know this.
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Post by crimsonfist on Mar 12, 2016 14:43:53 GMT -8
btw, Orobolous' name is Hugh Jass
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Post by crimsonfist on Mar 12, 2016 14:47:51 GMT -8
For the sake of finding out what will happen, outing a real name is an interesting gambit. If we assume that there's going to be one Kira kill a day, like there would be in standard mafia, then presumably they have a way to obtain names anyway, or at least a selection of names, so it might not be all that damaging.
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Post by crimsonfist on Mar 12, 2016 14:49:18 GMT -8
Well, if we assume that Kark's rule change does limit it to one kill a day at least. If there could be multiple kills, then limiting the number of names Kira has would be a priority.
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