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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 22, 2015 11:20:57 GMT -8
Yeah I can see why the mechanic works that way. Best case, get a kill. Worse case, roleblock one night.
It makes me wonder if there are any other objects floating around.
Anyway, thread seems to have focused on Pop for now. I'm going to see where it goes as I am known as a low-activity player. Gorlak should respond to Scrafty's prod though.
No one really sticks out right now besides the usual suspects (Sorian, Splinter, Fireblend). I don't want to waste a kill testing Splinter's claim and with the way he plays he might get himself lynched.
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Post by palmer on Oct 22, 2015 11:51:08 GMT -8
I think cabot is a decent kill target. Not super high profile but hes a good player. I was thinking doll to scrafty maybe?
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Post by Ourobolus on Oct 22, 2015 11:54:38 GMT -8
How's your head? :P
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Post by palmer on Oct 22, 2015 18:44:44 GMT -8
Me? Decent today.
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Post by palmer on Oct 22, 2015 22:04:03 GMT -8
Im playing up my drunkeness a bit in the game thread. It seems like were safe for today though.
Sorian, what messages do people receive when they get a doll or dispose of one?
How did you describe this game? Is it meant to be normal, bastard, role madness or anything?
Im so absolutely terrible with mgs fluff.
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Post by RetroMG on Oct 22, 2015 22:14:11 GMT -8
You might not be entirely playing the drunkenness - You're calling out people who aren't here.
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Post by palmer on Oct 22, 2015 22:19:33 GMT -8
Oops. @ouro instead. Lol
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Post by Ourobolus on Oct 23, 2015 4:59:51 GMT -8
I'll never forgive you, palmer. How dare you.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 23, 2015 7:59:10 GMT -8
This swamped approach is very interesting. None of us are in on the "group"... Do you think we have a mason team hiding? It's a really strange move to make without any reinsurance. We could be looking at something staged to get reactions. Masons are a big benefit, but we do have Solid invincible Snake on our side. Perfect set-up for swing votes and end day madness :) I also like that Sorian is getting all this heat, the way he's influenced town in previous games was frightening.
Do you suspect any specific power roles? I can't. Everybody could be anything. Except Splinter who is probably ordinary trying to get things going, Power Role would not draw this much attention (?) (well yeah Karkador in NX and stuff...)
Switching I'd switch myself with somebody relatively unnoticed. Maybe go for Roy, Matt or Fireblend? This way I'd be (mostly) safe from investigation. Do you have other suggestions? We do not need to switch Snake/L_P and I feel like palmer is not suspicious enough to be a target. What about switching with high potential people? Splinter, GC, Sorian or the like. I don't want to get shot by a vigilante because I'm in the wrong spot. But getting somebody read as scum from a cop, is the best that could happen.
Who do you think have a PR and who will they target?
Doll Scrafty kind of fixated on me (maybe it's only because I'm the person in question, what do you think?). So opening a way to kill her would draw a bad light on me in the end? What about giving GC the doll? His unusual playstyle may prove handy, like he'll keep the doll or will confuse everybody with doll talk.
Kill cabot is as good as any target, do you think he could be protected this night?
One last remark on my avater - I'll keep it forever. Nobody even mentioned it, even if they will doesn't matter.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 23, 2015 10:31:27 GMT -8
None of us has really made a presence. I'm doing my usual lurking, Palmer is AFK due to real life, and Gorlak has been pretty quiet and not a veteran.
A better switching target will emerge after the day ends. Cops usually go for someone who's been acting suspicious.
The doll should go to someone who won't be instantly believed if they say they have it. GC saying they have a doll will garner a different reaction than if say Swamped had one. Maybe a doll could be a cult object? Maybe there would be some way to spin it with Swamped's proposed alliance...
I'm fine with a cabot kill.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 23, 2015 11:24:04 GMT -8
Probably should hold off on killing cabot. He's been in a few people's "top town" so he may get doc attention.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 23, 2015 11:25:34 GMT -8
I'm starting to realize most of the posts are unnecessary and people like running in cirles... maybe I am a kind of low active poster, maybe my position holds me back ~ I have nothing to compare with. I want to talk more, but at the same time I'm afraid to make mistakes. Maybe after Day 1, when people will follow their own thoughts more I can adjust better.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 23, 2015 12:35:40 GMT -8
Day 1's are all like that. Do enough to survive, whether you're scum or town.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 23, 2015 12:44:32 GMT -8
Day 1's are all like that. Do enough to survive, whether you're scum or town. I really hope so. btw have you voted yet?
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 23, 2015 12:52:37 GMT -8
Pop claims tracker, pls let him die now, would be great to get rid of him if true :)
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 23, 2015 13:22:00 GMT -8
I didn't vote. Was best to see where it went.
Pop claiming tracker is interesting. I assume a doctor/cop will visit him tonight. He could be a good switching target.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 23, 2015 13:42:08 GMT -8
I liked the lurking as well, but throwing in any vote would've make you less suspicious. Now you're the only one without a vote and you'll have to explain.
Yeah, maybe we should utilise Pops claim. The one thing that could go wrong is if he tracks me and gets investigated, so he'll be lynched and after his flip, it'll be my time.
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 23, 2015 13:43:28 GMT -8
Here's what I mean by switch-kill:
Switch Pop with Sorian. Kill Sorian.
Any actions on Pop get put on Sorian (protection, investigation). Any actions on Sorian get put on Pop.
Pop dies, Sorian lives.
Pros: doctor/cop think they were roleblocked or switched. Can't reveal the presence of a switcher without claiming. Cons: they know there's a switcher.
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Post by palmer on Oct 23, 2015 15:39:22 GMT -8
I think sorian is also too high profile. We want to swap pop with with someone non descript if we go that route.
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Post by palmer on Oct 23, 2015 15:40:17 GMT -8
Im okay with dolling scrafty as previously mentioned.
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Post by palmer on Oct 23, 2015 15:51:27 GMT -8
Are you both in na timezone or other?
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Post by Lone_Prodigy on Oct 23, 2015 16:48:21 GMT -8
If not Sorian then who? Maybe Coppa?
I'm in NA. It's almost 6pm here.
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Post by palmer on Oct 23, 2015 21:05:42 GMT -8
Hed be okay.
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Post by palmer on Oct 23, 2015 21:55:23 GMT -8
Switch killing may not be worth it. If he gets watched, they will see you no matter what, and assume you killed him. Not sure if its worth the risk.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 24, 2015 3:05:24 GMT -8
I'm on european time /GMT +1.
I do believe Pop's claim by how he acted the whole day. This last minute claim was nuts and safed him, he hopefully didn't have the balls to fake it. Therefore he is the tracker and is the one who gets on my case or Otacon. Pop will deliver some discussion tomorrow, if we kill him town has less to focus on. If pop dies and a cop is on him, he will know there is a switcher because pop dies and he still gets a result. If a doc is on pop, he probably thinks he got blocked. If pop is watched we are fucked.
This is a possible rolelist: (edit: eh, I wanted to hide this, but in dark theme you can see it.) 16 people --- 3 scum: Invinsible, Switcher, Arsonist 1 neutral: Serialkiller 6 power roles: Cop, Doc, Tracker, Roleblock, Vigilante, Bulletproof 6 ordinary
I have got a problem with our powers and only one Tracker. Because two of us go around at night and do stuff. Maybe I'm overthinking here.
----- Why Coppa? He got some votes at the end which I didn't understand. The safe and flying under the radar people are Matt, Kalor, Roy for me.. maybe Hyper.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 24, 2015 3:29:00 GMT -8
I'm not suspicious enough to get tracked. Tracker sees targets of people -> Probably safe for the switching tonight. However if it is a watcher, he sees the people targeting someone -> I will be seen. High chance of a watcher on pop (if there is any watcher).
Is it necessary to get rid of Pop right away? I'd vote for it. We have to take risks.
--- later edit:
Gnah, what if pop fails to deliver important info and gets lynched anyway?
After some thinking I agree with the switch-killing. Pop is probably the tracker and delivers information tomorrow. He may be lynched, but I don't want the possibility of him catching us. We rob town of the topic for the day and we will mostly start all over again with no info for town.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 24, 2015 3:48:49 GMT -8
I'd suggest: Switch Pop-O-Matic with Kalor. Doll to Fireblend? Kill Kalor. ---
Ourob can you confirm L_Ps theory of switch kill order and the effects? Don't want to end up hitting a protected player -.- Switch two positions. Does this lead to our proposed plan of killing pop even though he could be protected?
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Post by Ourobolus on Oct 24, 2015 3:56:20 GMT -8
Switching takes precedence over pretty much everything that doesn't self target.
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Post by Gorlak on Oct 24, 2015 5:43:10 GMT -8
Pop switch with Kalor.
Pop is investigated, shows result of Kalor. Pop is protected, protects Kalor. Kalor is killed, kills Pop.
I'm just trying to break down the plan and convince myself.
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Post by palmer on Oct 24, 2015 6:23:23 GMT -8
We can let pop go for a day. Its only a problem if he tracks our killer, which is statistically unlikely. He may get lynched anyway if he cant provide verifiable info. He also may out another power role for us. Then we can kill him n2 instead.
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