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Post by karkador on Mar 7, 2016 9:44:32 GMT -8
And as for the question of why a scum player would do nothing, it's because they either have no special power, or they are saving x-shots, or they just feel like it. Unlike Town PRs, who have to worry if they're about to get killed at night, Mafia PRs should really be more worried about using their powers rather than not (because they'll get noticed).
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 7, 2016 10:11:03 GMT -8
Right, I think we just happened to not catch them that night. Of course, you could make the argument for our yet-revealed result that Ty4on did nothing. This also means we should suspect him - but between BooJay and ty4on, the latter has at least been prodding and investigating Town by day. BooJay really hasn't. As for the mafia's night actions, it's pretty clear to me (especially from watching other games behind the scenes) that one player does the faction kill, and everybody else may or may not do an action associated with their role (if any). If the chat bomber player does the night kill, they wont do the chat bomb - but other mafia players will still do their role abilities. You are right only one person submits the kill, but that person can also do their night action. We have never had a game where a scum had an either/or in their night abilities or Night kill. Its just frequently, they all do a night action and if they have a scrub scum member ( an "ordinary Scum") they make him do the killing as they are more expendable. This limits exposure on Watchers and trackers. putting in a kill order AND night action works best against trackers (gotta hit 1 person to see multi action) as opposed to watcher (see person perform action, unaware of second action). I don't know maybe I am reading too much into it. I don't think either of our people are safe with our investigation.
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Post by karkador on Mar 7, 2016 10:20:04 GMT -8
I think Blawl's flipped role PM says that they can "only submit one command per night", which to me reads as them only being able to do either the kill or the power, but not both.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 7, 2016 10:59:31 GMT -8
Since that is mentioned specifically with the power command, I interpret that as one command for track, but any scum can submit the night kill with the kill command.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 7, 2016 10:59:53 GMT -8
I doubt Burb would clarify though.
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Post by karkador on Mar 7, 2016 11:40:20 GMT -8
Well, the role PM is 'public info' at this point, but it does seem like a moderation grey area
Are you seeing this thing about Flame and Coppa?
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 7, 2016 12:36:54 GMT -8
I PM'd Burb, he stated conclusively that he cannot answer that question.
great.
I say we string up Ultraboo,
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 7, 2016 12:43:48 GMT -8
They are always throwing shade on us, I still don't like the "post results now" mentality of Ultrajay, but Flame_AC has been really standoffish, and Coppa is playing like how I thought he read on Volcano Island.
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Post by karkador on Mar 7, 2016 12:47:10 GMT -8
Well, look at Boo and Jay deflecting on a Karu vote, lol
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 7, 2016 14:44:03 GMT -8
BOOM!!!That's an awesome post. I'm just saying. Really awesome.
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Post by karkador on Mar 7, 2016 14:55:39 GMT -8
Thanks. NOW it makes sense, why I tracked Ty4on.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 7, 2016 15:11:28 GMT -8
IT does, It doesn't get them off the hook (especially with the no chat bomb last night) but it does explain your track.
I am glad we didn't say anything about the track, would have been too much confusion.
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Post by karkador on Mar 7, 2016 16:32:32 GMT -8
If Coppa is scum, they are effectively cornered right now.
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Post by karkador on Mar 7, 2016 16:59:57 GMT -8
It's possible that ty40n, not boo, is the chat bomber - if we go by topo's logic of 3 mafia.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 7, 2016 20:15:33 GMT -8
It's possible that ty40n, not boo, is the chat bomber - if we go by topo's logic of 3 mafia. I agree, about the only other group that I think is 100% town is Topo. Camo-Z just made a pretty good case for townie though...
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 8, 2016 9:23:59 GMT -8
This game makes me wonder what other power roles are out there.
I mean we couldn't have been towns only investigative role could we?
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Post by karkador on Mar 8, 2016 10:18:37 GMT -8
That's what I'm wondering, too. How the hell did we only get stuck with a 3shot tracker and a sleepwalker? There's gotta be something else. Even a doctor doesn't really seem like enough.
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Post by karkador on Mar 8, 2016 10:19:22 GMT -8
I mean, I guess there was also the 1shot target immune, but that could have hurt more than it helped.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 8, 2016 10:51:38 GMT -8
I mean, I guess there was also the 1shot target immune, but that could have hurt more than it helped. It would have been different if that role had been 1 shot BP, target immune means that there is likely more targeting abilities scum and gown alike
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Post by karkador on Mar 8, 2016 11:45:58 GMT -8
I don't know if it's become a staple of our online games now, but the rules also mention "there may be roles that act at dusk", so there's that. I'm not sure what a typical dusk-acting role is.
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Post by karkador on Mar 8, 2016 11:59:11 GMT -8
There has to be some kind of clue about the makeup of Mafia's roles, something related to why they would claim Tracker out the gate. EIther that, or they assumed something about being given Tracker made them think "we have to pre-empt the possible Town counter-role for this by claiming first"
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Post by karkador on Mar 8, 2016 12:04:22 GMT -8
by the way, when do you want to reveal our actual finding from last night?
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 8, 2016 12:18:31 GMT -8
by the way, when do you want to reveal our actual finding from last night? Tomorrow, We would have kept it in back pocket today in case ty4on was getting a lynch look, but I think we can probably mention that we looked at them tomorrow. Especially if we get chat bombed again...
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 8, 2016 12:18:53 GMT -8
and claim they bombed us. Or we die, we have to be a thorn in scum's side by now...
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Post by karkador on Mar 8, 2016 12:45:15 GMT -8
Well, my fear is that Ty4on is the actual guy I keep blaming BooJay for.
On one hand, it's useful to hold back the name, because we have the option to accuse Ty4on of something. The problem with revealing that we tracked BooJay is that it's cleared them to a large extent. It's hard to get any traction on a vote against them.
I think ty4on has acted sufficiently "Town" enough. At least, his activity looks that way in a game with so much inactivity. But that could also be an act.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 8, 2016 14:29:44 GMT -8
oh and sign me up for that spoiler free game run through. (off topic, but the description in the Gafia mother thread sold me).
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Post by karkador on Mar 8, 2016 14:31:51 GMT -8
Yeah, I was gonna ask you...if not demand, haha
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Burbeting
Vice Admin
Bear of Love
The obligatory (gay) bear of the society!
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Post by Burbeting on Mar 8, 2016 14:56:39 GMT -8
You need to start keeping a list at this rate, sounds like lot of people are interested.
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Post by zippedpinhead on Mar 8, 2016 15:02:58 GMT -8
Kark, I am sorry I haven't been as active in thread this day phase, but Work has been hell. I am keeping up on all the reading, but the posting I know has fallen short.
I've got your back on this Coppa/Flame thing.
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Post by karkador on Mar 8, 2016 15:37:33 GMT -8
Seems like everybody is inactive
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