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Post by Roytheone on Jan 24, 2016 13:09:47 GMT -8
Darryl, what's your thoughts on the murder-kill power, specifically do you feel it's counted as a spirit action? For everyone else, do we think we've seen all the possible bestow powers? Of the players we know KK doesn't have one, Roy doesn't, and presumably none of our remaining scum do either. That leaves rougly 7 or fewer players remaining who haven't shown their bestows (+ Kawl since he never became a spirit.) So far we've had: Protect Track Watch Voyuer Check Animal Check Potential (other) Check Potential (self) Switch Roy, could you list how many there have been of each bestow so far? Well I saw nin1000 roleblock Ty, so I know Nin1000 had used an action the night he was in limbo. So this leads me to think it is a group resource and that a player has to submit it. Otherwise nin1000 would've submitted two actions If it can kill roy, it is op. So it has to be a spirit action. But does that mean protect can't work? Protect has to work. So is it not a spirit action? The spirits could be waiting out spirit powers so they can kill Roy safely? 1. It can't kill Roy. -in this scenario, the reasons that scum haven't been night killing is that they either can't or are afraid. Protect is useless and a red herring, as are virtually most of our tracking abilities. They could be afraid to use a night kill because they'll be seen. They lost a huge host of disinformation roles early and are now on their last leg so each day is almost desperation for them as they struggle to just last a little bit longer. Or they require dead players to survive in limbo in order to night kill. Now. This is where things get tricky. In this scenario, they might be asking themselves how they can bypass us instakilling people as they enter limbo. This is where cabot can be running a gambit. Maybe he wants US to policy kill him, thinking we will let him enter limbo and then the players there will be more apprehensive about voting him out. After all, those idiots still haven't killed Sorian, no? After all his lying bullshit? 2. It can kill Roy. -in this scenario, a lot of our tracking, protecting, and switching roles have a purpose. We NEED to protect roy, and if we miss a single shot we lose. They could be waiting out the clock now to find the best opportunity to attempt to kill him. Wait until they waste everyone's switching and protects then go in on him. I'm mobile so that's just random thinking out loud. Idk if it makes sense. I might talk more about this later The soul destroy can't kill me. That would be stupid since scum could ridiculously easily win if they get a switch action and use that to circumvent protections on me. |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 24, 2016 13:19:41 GMT -8
I have a hard time imagining scum since the game is so convoluted. It doesn't feel particularly fair to scum atm since all kills are controlled by town and there is mass PRs. So idk if it is balance breaking or not that scum would just have to do one really complicated, death-defying kill.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 24, 2016 13:30:27 GMT -8
I have a hard time imagining scum since the game is so convoluted. It doesn't feel particularly fair to scum atm since all kills are controlled by town and there is mass PRs. So idk if it is balance breaking or not that scum would just have to do one really complicated, death-defying kill. It's not even that complicated if they have access to one of the switch powers though. Also, we need to basically kill all the scum twice, and with the afterlife shrinking every phase, that gives us a time limit. |
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Post by Mazre on Jan 24, 2016 13:38:28 GMT -8
I see you've figured out I have a switcher. I'm going to sleep now, but I should tell you that the switcher power specifically says spirit actions are unaffected by it. No clarification of what those are. Trigger's flip mentioned him as immune vs evil spirits seen to suggest to me that we either have town and scum spirits killing us or just scum spirits. I didn't see this brought up, but as you now know both me and Kawl had a tracking power. It is looking to me like scum knew (assuming they targeted both of us), but how did they figure it out? Is Roy not telling us everything? BTW, since you asked Roy about switches having no effect on spirit powers. According to Ty4on they don't. Which if we're saying that you're immune to soul destroy because you're immune to spirit powers than that would seem to mean that a target can't be switched by it either. Or they can and you can be killed by it. |
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Post by Mazre on Jan 24, 2016 13:39:35 GMT -8
That post should probably read "BTW Roy, since you asked about ... ", not trying to imply Ty40n was attempting to mislead.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 24, 2016 13:44:03 GMT -8
CornBro, did you get any powers last night? Asking for a friend. vote: cabotgood riddance anyways, who should i vacuum next? The afterlife hasn't decided yet who to banish, but for now, suck up either Terra or Coppa, depending on who doesn't get banished today. |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 24, 2016 13:54:42 GMT -8
Who all still has switchers?
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 24, 2016 14:11:41 GMT -8
I have a self check and another switch left so I didn't have a lot of options. I switched my top town with top scum to hopefully fuck with the kill.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 24, 2016 14:18:13 GMT -8
I didn't realize so many were in play. Clearly I would have withheld.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 24, 2016 14:23:38 GMT -8
BTW, both of the ghosts that could bestow switching claimed to not have bestowed cabot last night, so no idea how he got a switcher.
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Post by cornb on Jan 24, 2016 14:45:25 GMT -8
No. Got no powers last night.
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Post by cabot on Jan 24, 2016 14:45:45 GMT -8
It's probably squidys.
Could there be an ability thief? Stole it the previous night, gave it to me today to further the clashes?
Bastard games are the worst. My most insane ideas have to be aired
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Post by cornb on Jan 24, 2016 14:46:14 GMT -8
I do have the Meditate power left.
If it helps. I received Meditate and Switch on the same night. Tracking the very next night after.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 24, 2016 14:53:45 GMT -8
It's probably squidys. Could there be an ability thief? Stole it the previous night, gave it to me today to further the clashes? Bastard games are the worst. My most insane ideas have to be aired What? How could squidyj give it to you last night if we banished him the day before? |
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Post by cabot on Jan 24, 2016 14:54:52 GMT -8
He gave it to me when he said but the ability was taken by someone on that night, the person then gave it to me last night.
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 24, 2016 18:24:09 GMT -8
When one of the islanders is lynched by the limbo, is that person able to use their new power that night?
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 1:26:41 GMT -8
That must be true, because squidy was lynched the following day phase.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 25, 2016 1:54:33 GMT -8
When one of the islanders is lynched by the limbo, is that person able to use their new power that night? No, for all intents and purposes, they enter the afterlife at the start of the following day. Sometimes they post too early in the thread, and then Splinter chases them away. It's not a pretty sight. |
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 1:55:12 GMT -8
I've got to say Dusk jumped pretty fast on believing I'm scum, followed by warping the past and suddenly i became the designated Head Of Lynching on this island according to him. I can see a situation where he was involved in this framing ordeal to take me from being seen as mostly town to heading straight for the afterlife. This isn't the first time he has come after me with strange logic. There was this whole exchange about me being a 'blender': I analyzed the votes from the first two nights for signs of blending, since it a classic scum tactic to conceal information. Zipped and Ridli were both lynched with pretty high vote counts, which I think is strange since their wasn't a compelling reason to pin either of them outright as scum. Cabot, Xam, and Sorian are three posters that stick out the most for using this tactic. At a lot of posters have been sticking to 1 or 2 targets and been making an effort to outline their reasons before targeting somebody. The aforementioned 3 however have been all over the place with votes and rather indiscriminate. Blending? Are you even looking at the same game, son? Maybe you're looking at the afterlife game. I was one of the first to go on Zipped, and I was clear with my reasons. I went for ridli since he'd talked so much that he had to be flipped to make sense of what he said. Your reason for voting for Zipped was his comment about going after an inactive person. Which was a ridiculous reason for you to want to target someone, seeing as how scum are often less vocal on day one since they don't want to accidentally say something that would reveal their role. You also honed in on the idea of snuffing out scum on day one, when everyone knows it's a crapshoot and it's typically more vital to focus on staying alive, and then using the voting patterns from the night one kills to figure out who to target. Starting the game off like that shows that you weren't scared to die, and why would you be if you were scum and already knew about the afterlife from the start? It seems dusk thinks very highly of me, I can be all things at any time. |
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 1:58:47 GMT -8
Blending? Are you even looking at the same game, son? Maybe you're looking at the afterlife game. I was one of the first to go on Zipped, and I was clear with my reasons. I went for ridli since he'd talked so much that he had to be flipped to make sense of what he said. Your reason for voting for Zipped was his comment about going after an inactive person. Which was a ridiculous reason for you to want to target someone, seeing as how scum are often less vocal on day one since they don't want to accidentally say something that would reveal their role. You also honed in on the idea of snuffing out scum on day one, when everyone knows it's a crapshoot and it's typically more vital to focus on staying alive, and then using the voting patterns from the night one kills to figure out who to target. Starting the game off like that shows that you weren't scared to die, and why would you be if you were scum and already knew about the afterlife from the start? |
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 2:00:26 GMT -8
When one of the islanders is lynched by the limbo, is that person able to use their new power that night? No, for all intents and purposes, they enter the afterlife at the start of the following day. Sometimes they post too early in the thread, and then Splinter chases them away. It's not a pretty sight. Can you explain yourself clearly, please. Squidy must have been able to use his power on the night of his lynch. He was lynched January 19th 10pm (GMT) when the day ended. We then found out his flip on January 22nd at 9pm (GMT) That's one night phase and one day phase. He could only use his power on the night phase after he was lynched, then told the group who he bestowed the following day phase. |
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 2:01:28 GMT -8
err disregard the middle post, that was used to copy paste the quote. Apologies.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 25, 2016 2:14:39 GMT -8
Contradictions we have right now:
Cabby says he didn't got a switch power on night 12 --> contradicts squidyj that said he bestowed switching to Tim and cabot that night.
Cabby says he did got switching power on night 13 --> contradicts both ghosts that are in the afterlife right now that can bestow switching.
Cabby says he didn't got tracking power on night 13 --> contradicts ghost that said he bestowed cabby with that last night.
CornBro says he didn't got any powers on night 13 --> contradicts one of the ghosts that can bestow switching and says he bestowed CornBro last night.
Darryl says he didn't got any switching on night 13 --> contradicts that same ghost (but this can be explained by darryl being full).
Darryl says he tracked Cabby (because of tim switch now coppa) visit Darryl --> Contradicts Coppa that claims to have visited Tim and dusk (because of switchers, now Roy and Dusk)
Cornbro says he tracked coppa (because of tim switch now Cabby) visit Cornbro (because of switchers, would mean cabby Targeted roy originally) --> contradicts Cabby that says he didn't to shit.
Crimson says he watched Tim (because of switchers, now Dusk), was visited by Coppa. --> This actually lines up with coppa his claim.
Splinter says he is smart and handsome --> contradictions reality.
So, did I miss anything?
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Post by Splinter on Jan 25, 2016 2:20:05 GMT -8
"Talented"
You missed talented
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 2:24:48 GMT -8
god i misread tim's statement.
Fucking hell splinter. I feel this game should come with a 50 page instruction booklet.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 25, 2016 2:29:21 GMT -8
No, for all intents and purposes, they enter the afterlife at the start of the following day. Sometimes they post too early in the thread, and then Splinter chases them away. It's not a pretty sight. Can you explain yourself clearly, please. Squidy must have been able to use his power on the night of his lynch. He was lynched January 19th 10pm (GMT) when the day ended. We then found out his flip on January 22nd at 9pm (GMT) That's one night phase and one day phase. He could only use his power on the night phase after he was lynched, then told the group who he bestowed the following day phase. Squidyj could have used his power, yes. Day 12 gets lynched --> night 12 can bestow --> day 13 gets banished. That was not the question Tim asked me however. He asked what happens if an islander gets lynched during the night by the afterlife. That person would not be able to use his power that night. For example: Night 13 gets lynched by afterlife --> day 14 gets banished. In this case, they would have never been able to use their powers, night 14 would be the earliest they could bestow. |
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 25, 2016 2:29:22 GMT -8
god i misread tim's statement. Fucking hell splinter. I feel this game should come with a 50 page instruction booklet. I think it's called "Volcano Island | Kneel Before the Volcano God!" and 113 pages long. |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 25, 2016 2:32:30 GMT -8
god i misread tim's statement. Fucking hell splinter. I feel this game should come with a 50 page instruction booklet. The fucked up thing is that I get the feeling I AM that instruction booklet right now. I spend waaaaay more time explaining mechanics to you guys than actually scum hunting  |
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Post by cabot on Jan 25, 2016 2:34:30 GMT -8
What's the point? basic scum hunting leads you to lynching me this phase, but I'm town.
I'm pretty much back in the hopeless phase I was in back at the start of D3.
If you can't trust basic scum hunting, why are we even here?
"Surprisingly Balanced!" ***** - The Sun
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Post by CzarTim on Jan 25, 2016 2:43:52 GMT -8
I actually don't think we should lynch cabot, I think limbo should nk him. We'll confirm his story with his flip, but in case he is trying to get lynched with some #unnecessarygambit, he won't have access to his night actions this night phase. If he is lying, limbo can turbo right away tomorrow.
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