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Post by Mazre on Jan 24, 2016 9:03:00 GMT -8
I had neglected to consider that point, I still think banishing coppa would be useful for us but I can't say if it's the best move for the spirits save through the spigot that is Roy.
Scrafty's claim suggests we're in scenario 1 outlined above. Which again has the most contradictions, the strongest of which at first look is that Coppa is lying, need to reevaluate what removing Coppa's switch action would mean to that scenario.
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Post by Mazre on Jan 24, 2016 9:10:45 GMT -8
Scenario 1b -
Coppa lied about performing a switch
Swithces
coppa < - > cabot (by czar)
scrafty (switch czar and roy) -> ty (switch roy and cornb)
czar -> roy
roy -> corn
corn -> czar
dusk -> dusk (no switching occurred)
crimsonfist / watch / roy (originally czar) / visited by coppa
cornb / track / cabot (originally coppa) / visited cornb
bombay / track / coppa (originally cabot) / visited bombay
We're still left with the contradiction surrounding what Coppa actually did.
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Post by Mazre on Jan 24, 2016 9:12:12 GMT -8
Wait...that doesn't read right, hold on.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 24, 2016 9:12:31 GMT -8
Bare in mind, Coppa flipped with two switches, and using a gift is compulsory if you have one, so it's likely that he did perform a switch.
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Post by cabot on Jan 24, 2016 9:13:12 GMT -8
Did coppa mention he had two spirit checks?
I find that information odd, I definitely don't remember him mentioning.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 24, 2016 9:14:20 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm about to go back now to check, but I don't remember him claiming any investigation results.
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Post by Mazre on Jan 24, 2016 9:14:44 GMT -8
Nevermind I think it's still correct. Fuck you splinter.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 24, 2016 9:18:09 GMT -8
There are a lot of switches in a game where switching has next to no town benefit
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Post by Mazre on Jan 24, 2016 9:21:23 GMT -8
What a mess. Also as a reminder, we're at 6 votes for majority. Be mindful.
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 24, 2016 9:23:37 GMT -8
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Post by cabot on Jan 24, 2016 9:29:37 GMT -8
Fair enough. Still unsure whether withholding that info is good or bad, it depends on the context.
If he found a previously confirmed town spirit role for someone and then subsequently watched them flip without revealing it seems a bit ill judged.
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 24, 2016 9:32:37 GMT -8
Fair enough. Still unsure whether withholding that info is good or bad, it depends on the context. If he found a previously confirmed town spirit role for someone and then subsequently watched them flip without revealing it seems a bit ill judged. Spirit check is the one that gives you the spirit Animal, not the spirit role. |
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 24, 2016 9:34:02 GMT -8
Voyeur is the odder one. I don't see why you'd use switcher over that, or if he used it an earlier night, why he'd not claim the result.
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Post by Mazre on Jan 24, 2016 9:35:21 GMT -8
Roy how does the day banish work for the spirit thread? Do they get the flip as soon as majority or is it at a fixed time prior to the end of the islands day phase? Do they have to be done prior to our deadline? What happens if we complete our vote prior to them?
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Post by Bombay on Jan 24, 2016 9:40:05 GMT -8
Voyeur is the odder one. I don't see why you'd use switcher over that, or if he used it an earlier night, why he'd not claim the result. I'm pretty blown by all the people using switchers. With the game how it is now with virtually no night kills, where is the motive to use a switch over anything else? We had 4-5 switchers last night. Did no one have any other spirit powers? Who here only had switcher? Scrafty? Czar? |
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 24, 2016 9:44:38 GMT -8
Roy how does the day banish work for the spirit thread? Do they get the flip as soon as majority or is it at a fixed time prior to the end of the islands day phase? Do they have to be done prior to our deadline? What happens if we complete our vote prior to them? The afterlife deadline is one hour before the deadline here. We get a flip then. Don't know if we get it earlier if we turbo. If you guys turbo, the afterlife deadline doesn't change, and your night will just be longer. |
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Post by Mazre on Jan 24, 2016 9:45:42 GMT -8
Thanks Roy
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 24, 2016 9:47:04 GMT -8
Just to be clear: switchers don't impact spirit powers, right?
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Post by Ty4on on Jan 24, 2016 9:49:52 GMT -8
I wonder if the bestow targets can be switched? The night I voyeured Ty4on I picked up that he was blocked AND bestowed. Interesting. I never got a note for that, but the block meant I was full. |
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 24, 2016 9:52:48 GMT -8
Voyeur is the odder one. I don't see why you'd use switcher over that, or if he used it an earlier night, why he'd not claim the result. I'm pretty blown by all the people using switchers. With the game how it is now with virtually no night kills, where is the motive to use a switch over anything else? We had 4-5 switchers last night. Did no one have any other spirit powers? Who here only had switcher? Scrafty? Czar? Scrafty certainly implied that she had more than one gift, and that they involved information gathering. |
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 24, 2016 9:53:14 GMT -8
and Czar claimed having 3 powers.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 24, 2016 10:14:58 GMT -8
I'm pretty blown by all the people using switchers. With the game how it is now with virtually no night kills, where is the motive to use a switch over anything else? We had 4-5 switchers last night. Did no one have any other spirit powers? Who here only had switcher? Scrafty? Czar? Scrafty certainly implied that she had more than one gift, and that they involved information gathering. Scrafty how did you plan to get information like this? |
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Post by Mazre on Jan 24, 2016 10:23:07 GMT -8
Scrafty how did you plan to get information like this? This is an excellent question. I'd like to extend it to everyone who claims to have used a switch last night. To be more precise, were you required to use a switch last night? If not, why did you do so? |
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Post by cabot on Jan 24, 2016 10:49:32 GMT -8
Fair enough. Still unsure whether withholding that info is good or bad, it depends on the context. If he found a previously confirmed town spirit role for someone and then subsequently watched them flip without revealing it seems a bit ill judged. Spirit check is the one that gives you the spirit Animal, not the spirit role. do we still think spirit animals mean nothing? |
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Post by Cherry Bomb on Jan 24, 2016 10:53:35 GMT -8
Scrafty how did you plan to get information like this? One of my powers ended up being far less useful than I had initially expected (simply the ability to glean someone's spirit animal; I had thought that it revealed role as well), and thus I decided that my night would be more productively spent redirecting a potential kill. |
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Post by Bombay on Jan 24, 2016 11:05:30 GMT -8
That switch makes sense. Afterall you allegedly copped Czar, so you'd want to keep him alive.
What was Czar Tim planning on getting out of his switch though?
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Post by Roytheone on Jan 24, 2016 11:12:30 GMT -8
So I worked through the three main switches (Tim his switch is kinda separate from the other three) myself to get a better feeling about it (not that I don't trust Mazre of course  , and this is the table I got: Original situation
| After Scrafty switch
| After ty4on switch
| after coppa switch
| 1. Czartim
| Roytheone
| Roytheone
| Dusk soldier
| 2. Roytheone
| Czartim
| CornBro
| CornBro
| 3. CornBro
| CornBro
| Czartim
| Czartim
| 4. Dusk Soldier
| Dusk Soldier
| Dusk Soldier
| Roytheone
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Don't know if it helps anyone, but I always like to make a table when switching nonsense is going on. |
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Post by Mazre on Jan 24, 2016 12:00:49 GMT -8
Darryl, what's your thoughts on the murder-kill power, specifically do you feel it's counted as a spirit action?
For everyone else, do we think we've seen all the possible bestow powers? Of the players we know KK doesn't have one, Roy doesn't, and presumably none of our remaining scum do either. That leaves rougly 7 or fewer players remaining who haven't shown their bestows (+ Kawl since he never became a spirit.)
So far we've had:
Protect
Track
Watch
Voyuer
Check Animal
Check Potential (other)
Check Potential (self)
Switch
Roy, could you list how many there have been of each bestow so far?
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Post by crimsonfist on Jan 24, 2016 12:07:29 GMT -8
If the more useful powers have less bestowers, then I wouldn't be surprised if there's a few we haven't seen yet. Vig seems like a notable omission so far.
Or everyone else could just be a switcher bestower, because I wouldn't put that past splinter at this point.
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Post by Bombay on Jan 24, 2016 12:38:17 GMT -8
Darryl, what's your thoughts on the murder-kill power, specifically do you feel it's counted as a spirit action? For everyone else, do we think we've seen all the possible bestow powers? Of the players we know KK doesn't have one, Roy doesn't, and presumably none of our remaining scum do either. That leaves rougly 7 or fewer players remaining who haven't shown their bestows (+ Kawl since he never became a spirit.) So far we've had: Protect Track Watch Voyuer Check Animal Check Potential (other) Check Potential (self) Switch Roy, could you list how many there have been of each bestow so far? Well I saw nin1000 roleblock Ty, so I know Nin1000 had used an action the night he was in limbo. So this leads me to think it is a group resource and that a player has to submit it. Otherwise nin1000 would've submitted two actions If it can kill roy, it is op. So it has to be a spirit action. But does that mean protect can't work? Protect has to work. So is it not a spirit action? The spirits could be waiting out spirit powers so they can kill Roy safely? 1. It can't kill Roy. -in this scenario, the reasons that scum haven't been night killing is that they either can't or are afraid. Protect is useless and a red herring, as are virtually most of our tracking abilities. They could be afraid to use a night kill because they'll be seen. They lost a huge host of disinformation roles early and are now on their last leg so each day is almost desperation for them as they struggle to just last a little bit longer. Or they require dead players to survive in limbo in order to night kill. Now. This is where things get tricky. In this scenario, they might be asking themselves how they can bypass us instakilling people as they enter limbo. This is where cabot can be running a gambit. Maybe he wants US to policy kill him, thinking we will let him enter limbo and then the players there will be more apprehensive about voting him out. After all, those idiots still haven't killed Sorian, no? After all his lying bullshit? 2. It can kill Roy. -in this scenario, a lot of our tracking, protecting, and switching roles have a purpose. We NEED to protect roy, and if we miss a single shot we lose. They could be waiting out the clock now to find the best opportunity to attempt to kill him. Wait until they waste everyone's switching and protects then go in on him. I'm mobile so that's just random thinking out loud. Idk if it makes sense. I might talk more about this later |
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, and this is the table I got: