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Post by Crab on Dec 19, 2015 13:36:21 GMT -8
I'm not 100% happy about this but I agree with Roy's analysis.
BLOCK: Gorlak
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Post by LordofCastamere on Dec 19, 2015 13:36:58 GMT -8
I think I can make a convincing case to lynch Gorlak if he admits he was blocked. Essentially that scum did this to stop him from hitting the posioner. Since Crab was already blocked it can't be him. Scum won't kill Gorlak because they want him in the game to break a lynch, and without another target to hit Gorlak is our best bet. Gorlak dying will verify Crab and remove a threat.
Idk though. I'll try.
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 19, 2015 13:46:56 GMT -8
Yeah, that's true. Kill: C_M Block: Gorlak Poison: Kalor I'll put in my command. I'll try to go over my role-claim tomorrow if I have time...going out tonight. I think it's fairly solid. I've been posting with it in mind for a few days now. Don't be afraid to post your role claim here complete with your "targets" and reasons for your targets. We can help you find problems you may have missed. I'm not 100% happy about this but I agree with Roy's analysis. BLOCK: GorlakNeither am I, but there is no other option unfortunately. We can't take the risk. |
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Post by LordofCastamere on Dec 19, 2015 17:21:14 GMT -8
We are the last remaining scum team. We have to carry the scum torch home or town will completely shut us out this season.
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Post by Ourobolus on Dec 19, 2015 17:58:01 GMT -8
This will be a point that will defiantly be discussed during post game talk, believe me. Alright, alright. :p There's no need to browbeat salva and nin, I don't think either of them have run a game before and I was having a quiet word with Palmer and he said that they didn't always get the feedback they needed. I don't think you guys realize how much behind the scenes stuff I did with Matty_G and Karkador during S2, getting games right is really hard and there's no way you get it right first time without help. Frankly, I've had fun and while the game hasn't always gone 100% smoothly, it's definitely managed to avoid the worst wobbles it could have had, so that means they've done a good job all round. Hey, hey. Some of us tried to rein this in. Some suggestions just weren't taken into account. Not trying to be a dick to salva/nin, but there was a lot that wasn't implemented/taken out. |
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Post by yn on Dec 19, 2015 18:01:06 GMT -8
Alright, alright. :p There's no need to browbeat salva and nin, I don't think either of them have run a game before and I was having a quiet word with Palmer and he said that they didn't always get the feedback they needed. I don't think you guys realize how much behind the scenes stuff I did with Matty_G and Karkador during S2, getting games right is really hard and there's no way you get it right first time without help. Frankly, I've had fun and while the game hasn't always gone 100% smoothly, it's definitely managed to avoid the worst wobbles it could have had, so that means they've done a good job all round. Hey, hey. Some of us tried to rein this in. Some suggestions just weren't taken into account. Not trying to be a dick to salva/nin, but there was a lot that wasn't implemented/taken out. at least my suggestion was partially heeded :D ouro is too pretty. thats why his opinions are sometimes dismissed :D |
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Post by LordofCastamere on Dec 19, 2015 22:00:08 GMT -8
Starting post.
"I targeted Kalor last night. If this gets posted I was unsuccessful. I'm sorry, I was wrong again. Going forward today we have two major options that I see.
1: Kill Crab. This is the obvious choice. Crab has seemingly lied and cheated his way to the center of several players hearts. Creating fake roles and bluffing past night traps. He is a master player that needs to die if he's scum... but we still have no confirmation that Crab is scum. Plenty of conveniences and seemingly scum but nothing 100%. By killing Crab we skip his gambit and jump straight to a scum lynch but we'll have to lynch Gorlak later at risk of town pr blocking. Kill Crab to get rid of a powerful possible scum alligned player first.
2: Kill Gorlak. Per Crab's role pm he is life linked to Gorlak, a Netural alligned roleblocker. He claims to be mentally aligned to town but spreads confusion and fud. He will undoubtedly start blocking town prs soon which could hurt our current balance. We have killed 2 scum now, I believe we could survive 1 day of risk. Kill Gorlak to confirm Crab as town or scum today. This rids us of 1 threat and a powerful town player. If you don't believe Crab is scum this may be the lesser of two evils.
Vote: Crab
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Then, if Gorlak admits to the block.
"With this revelation, certian things have changed... Gorlak was blocked last night as a preemptive strike to stop a killer or posioner from getting blocked. At first glance you may think this is a good thing, because it gives Gorlak a reason to side with us out of anger, but I disagree. This shows that Scum now how full control over Gorlak in case of a lynch tie, because he cant win if scum keeps blocking. If scum offer him a deal it could be the end of us. Keep in mind.
This effectively makes Gorlak a chained dog. A simple "vote for us and the kills and blocks slow/stop" would be the end of town and victory for him. The longer he stays in the game the more risk we are in. Begrudgingly, I must put aside my hate in Crab for one more Day. If Crab doesn't die today, with Gorlak, remaining town can lynch him tomorrow.
Vote:Gorlak"
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Post by LordofCastamere on Dec 19, 2015 22:06:50 GMT -8
Hmm, question. Town is expecting me to come back saying I protected Kalor or Cm but what if I told them I protected no one? Say I was selfish and didn't want to die. Could prove a good double bluff.
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 20, 2015 2:49:22 GMT -8
Hmm, question. Town is expecting me to come back saying I protected Kalor or Cm but what if I told them I protected no one? Say I was selfish and didn't want to die. Could prove a good double bluff. The chances for that to work are very low, not in the least because you already have a shitload of suspicion coming your way. If you say you are selfish and no longer want to block people, you basically have become an ordinary towny, and apparently put the life of you, now an ordinary towny, over the life of a confirmed role cop. That makes 0 sense. Anyway, this is the situation right now (hopefully): day 7: 6 VS 1 VS 4 - lynch of crab (gambit 1: trying to get gorlak lynched, long shot) Day 8: 4 VS 1 VS 3 - lynch of LoC (gambit 2: LoC convinces gorlak to tie the vote, very dangerous, since even if it works sword dude could kill exodu5 the next night, since we will all be outed as scum by this tie bandwagon, safer to try and get gorlak lynched again) day 9: 2 VS 1 VS 2 - this day heavily depends on who gorlak branded and who he didn't. Thankfully, town will be convinced only the poisoner is left (7 scum? puh, way to many!), and since i can not be the poisoner, i will be like 90 % town. so I see two things possible: - If Exodu5 got blocked/branded on night 7 or night 8, how crazy as that sounds, THAT IS A GOOD THING. It means that that one or both townies are the only unmarked. Gorlak will want to lynch those, since unmarked people dying is in his advantage. Gorlak will join us in this case, and we win. - If exodu5 is the only unmarked, that will be a problem, since gorlak will try to get him lynched. We probably need to focus our kills to avoid this. some notes: - I can use my doomed to fail daytime command and my "he can't be scum because he is not the poisoner" town cred to try and influence (heh) town a bit. - L_P is a problem for Gorlak just as much as he is for us. We can't risk night targeting him, but Gorlak also can't. Lynching L_P will be a very attractive thing for gorlak. Why do you think he "doesn't believe" L_P? He totally does, but he realizes lynching L_P is the safest way to his win condition. |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 20, 2015 3:03:34 GMT -8
Some additional notes:
-some of the most deciding day and night phases will be during the holidays, which sucks. The game being decided because someone is not able to participate a lot during the holidays will be a huge bummer, independent of if we win or lose.
-If we reach the 2 VS 1 VS 2 situation, and we manage to lynch a towny, they can still destroy all the horcruxes if the last remaining towny has the sword and Gorlak has already left the game. You get the situation where sword dude kills exodu5, but I kill sword dude. The day will start with all the horcruxes destroyed, but also with all the town dead, and I am the sole survivor. I guess that will end the game in a tie? I would actually be kinda ok with that, being the sole survivor of the first tie in gafia history.
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Post by nin1000 on Dec 20, 2015 9:12:20 GMT -8
only the kill command is missing. This will start the day aswell
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 20, 2015 9:25:39 GMT -8
only the kill command is missing. This will start the day aswell You mean I can determine when the day starts?  So, do we have anything still to discuss? Exodu5, do you still want us to go over your role claim just to be sure? |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 20, 2015 12:06:16 GMT -8
Starting post. "I targeted Kalor last night. If this gets posted I was unsuccessful. I'm sorry, I was wrong again. Going forward today we have two major options that I see. 1: Kill Crab. This is the obvious choice. Crab has seemingly lied and cheated his way to the center of several players hearts. Creating fake roles and bluffing past night traps. He is a master player that needs to die if he's scum... but we still have no confirmation that Crab is scum. Plenty of conveniences and seemingly scum but nothing 100%. By killing Crab we skip his gambit and jump straight to a scum lynch but we'll have to lynch Gorlak later at risk of town pr blocking. Kill Crab to get rid of a powerful possible scum alligned player first. 2: Kill Gorlak. Per Crab's role pm he is life linked to Gorlak, a Netural alligned roleblocker. He claims to be mentally aligned to town but spreads confusion and fud. He will undoubtedly start blocking town prs soon which could hurt our current balance. We have killed 2 scum now, I believe we could survive 1 day of risk. Kill Gorlak to confirm Crab as town or scum today. This rids us of 1 threat and a powerful town player. If you don't believe Crab is scum this may be the lesser of two evils. Vote: Crab " Then, if Gorlak admits to the block. "With this revelation, certian things have changed... Gorlak was blocked last night as a preemptive strike to stop a killer or posioner from getting blocked. At first glance you may think this is a good thing, because it gives Gorlak a reason to side with us out of anger, but I disagree. This shows that Scum now how full control over Gorlak in case of a lynch tie, because he cant win if scum keeps blocking. If scum offer him a deal it could be the end of us. Keep in mind. This effectively makes Gorlak a chained dog. A simple "vote for us and the kills and blocks slow/stop" would be the end of town and victory for him. The longer he stays in the game the more risk we are in. Begrudgingly, I must put aside my hate in Crab for one more Day. If Crab doesn't die today, with Gorlak, remaining town can lynch him tomorrow. Vote:Gorlak" You can try, poke a bit to see if people still believe in the life link between gorlak and crab, and if they do you can go for gorlak, but before that keep your focus on crab. Also, most people will have looked over that one small line in hyper his role pm, so bring it like you went back and reread it and then you realized what that means in regards to gorlak, and bring that as a reason for your switch from crab to gorlak. That would be more believable. So i would put a bit more focus on crab to begin with, do mention the life link and see if people still believe in it, and if they do swing to gorlak with your "scum wni condition" revelation after looking back on pandas role pm. If they don't seem to be very receptive of lynching gorlak, don't overdo it and just keep on crab, and try to get gorlak lynched the next day, that would still give us the win. About you not dying: is it an idea to claim that those "i also die if blablabla" where to keep scum from killing/poisoning you? It is a believable play, make scum think you are going to die anyway to survive the night. |
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Post by LordofCastamere on Dec 20, 2015 14:13:16 GMT -8
Starting post. "I targeted Kalor last night. If this gets posted I was unsuccessful. I'm sorry, I was wrong again. Going forward today we have two major options that I see. 1: Kill Crab. This is the obvious choice. Crab has seemingly lied and cheated his way to the center of several players hearts. Creating fake roles and bluffing past night traps. He is a master player that needs to die if he's scum... but we still have no confirmation that Crab is scum. Plenty of conveniences and seemingly scum but nothing 100%. By killing Crab we skip his gambit and jump straight to a scum lynch but we'll have to lynch Gorlak later at risk of town pr blocking. Kill Crab to get rid of a powerful possible scum alligned player first. 2: Kill Gorlak. Per Crab's role pm he is life linked to Gorlak, a Netural alligned roleblocker. He claims to be mentally aligned to town but spreads confusion and fud. He will undoubtedly start blocking town prs soon which could hurt our current balance. We have killed 2 scum now, I believe we could survive 1 day of risk. Kill Gorlak to confirm Crab as town or scum today. This rids us of 1 threat and a powerful town player. If you don't believe Crab is scum this may be the lesser of two evils. Vote: Crab " Then, if Gorlak admits to the block. "With this revelation, certian things have changed... Gorlak was blocked last night as a preemptive strike to stop a killer or posioner from getting blocked. At first glance you may think this is a good thing, because it gives Gorlak a reason to side with us out of anger, but I disagree. This shows that Scum now how full control over Gorlak in case of a lynch tie, because he cant win if scum keeps blocking. If scum offer him a deal it could be the end of us. Keep in mind. This effectively makes Gorlak a chained dog. A simple "vote for us and the kills and blocks slow/stop" would be the end of town and victory for him. The longer he stays in the game the more risk we are in. Begrudgingly, I must put aside my hate in Crab for one more Day. If Crab doesn't die today, with Gorlak, remaining town can lynch him tomorrow. Vote:Gorlak" You can try, poke a bit to see if people still believe in the life link between gorlak and crab, and if they do you can go for gorlak, but before that keep your focus on crab. Also, most people will have looked over that one small line in hyper his role pm, so bring it like you went back and reread it and then you realized what that means in regards to gorlak, and bring that as a reason for your switch from crab to gorlak. That would be more believable. So i would put a bit more focus on crab to begin with, do mention the life link and see if people still believe in it, and if they do swing to gorlak with your "scum wni condition" revelation after looking back on pandas role pm. If they don't seem to be very receptive of lynching gorlak, don't overdo it and just keep on crab, and try to get gorlak lynched the next day, that would still give us the win. About you not dying: is it an idea to claim that those "i also die if blablabla" where to keep scum from killing/poisoning you? It is a believable play, make scum think you are going to die anyway to survive the night. That's the plan. Push Crab hard unless Gorlak admits he was blocked. Then I switch gears. I'll stretch it out a little more though. The idea will be "we don't know 100% that Crab is scum and Gorlak is just as much a threat". Hopefully it sets Gorlak up for a next day lynch at the very least. I'm not too worried about me getting lynched. If I can't get Gorlak lynched and I die instead, good. Would rather Crab survive the day and get another block, but there's no solid way to bus myself right now. If anything, a complete thought process shift is the best way. |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 20, 2015 14:20:03 GMT -8
You can try, poke a bit to see if people still believe in the life link between gorlak and crab, and if they do you can go for gorlak, but before that keep your focus on crab. Also, most people will have looked over that one small line in hyper his role pm, so bring it like you went back and reread it and then you realized what that means in regards to gorlak, and bring that as a reason for your switch from crab to gorlak. That would be more believable. So i would put a bit more focus on crab to begin with, do mention the life link and see if people still believe in it, and if they do swing to gorlak with your "scum wni condition" revelation after looking back on pandas role pm. If they don't seem to be very receptive of lynching gorlak, don't overdo it and just keep on crab, and try to get gorlak lynched the next day, that would still give us the win. About you not dying: is it an idea to claim that those "i also die if blablabla" where to keep scum from killing/poisoning you? It is a believable play, make scum think you are going to die anyway to survive the night. That's the plan. Push Crab hard unless Gorlak admits he was blocked. Then I switch gears. I'll stretch it out a little more though. The idea will be "we don't know 100% that Crab is scum and Gorlak is just as much a threat". Hopefully it sets Gorlak up for a next day lynch at the very least. I'm not too worried about me getting lynched. If I can't get Gorlak lynched and I die instead, good. Would rather Crab survive the day and get another block, but there's no solid way to bus myself right now. If anything, a complete thought process shift is the best way. Just fyi:me and exodu5 will be on the crab train, probably also attacking you for trying to save a certain scum. If you have a lot of success I may jump on the gorlak train, exodu5 should probably stay safe on the crab train. |
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Post by LordofCastamere on Dec 20, 2015 14:24:58 GMT -8
That's the plan. Push Crab hard unless Gorlak admits he was blocked. Then I switch gears. I'll stretch it out a little more though. The idea will be "we don't know 100% that Crab is scum and Gorlak is just as much a threat". Hopefully it sets Gorlak up for a next day lynch at the very least. I'm not too worried about me getting lynched. If I can't get Gorlak lynched and I die instead, good. Would rather Crab survive the day and get another block, but there's no solid way to bus myself right now. If anything, a complete thought process shift is the best way. Just fyi:me and exodu5 will be on the crab train, probably also attacking you for trying to save a certain scum. If you have a lot of success I may jump on the gorlak train, exodu5 should probably stay safe on the crab train. That's fine. I only ask that tomorrow(D8) you guys play it slightly close to your chest. Don't start something that may not be started without your help. Like if L_p and flameac immediately Attack me and start gaining traction fine, but if it's mixed spread the vote out and don't immediately bus me. Tomorrow might be a toss up. |
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Post by LordofCastamere on Dec 20, 2015 14:56:37 GMT -8
I'll be able to convince Gorlak to lynch with us Day 8, but we'll have to no lynch. That way only 1 person dies that night. He'll have to agree. No other way he'll win.
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 20, 2015 14:59:51 GMT -8
I'll be able to convince Gorlak to lynch with us Day 8, but we'll have to no lynch. That way only 1 person dies that night. He'll have to agree. No other way he'll win. Honestly, I don't like this plan. It would force exodu5 to come out of hiding, and if the sword is still out there it could be bad. |
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Post by nin1000 on Dec 21, 2015 1:45:54 GMT -8
8 hours to go!
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Post by nin1000 on Dec 21, 2015 3:23:53 GMT -8
6 hours to go
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Post by LordofCastamere on Dec 21, 2015 3:36:00 GMT -8
That impatient? I'd send the kill in if I could.
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Post by nin1000 on Dec 21, 2015 3:41:25 GMT -8
send it in the moment you are ready. Tell me who is going to make the kill aswell. i am not impatient ^^ Since i am currently at work i could not even start the day  |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 21, 2015 4:18:01 GMT -8
I still would like for us to look over exodu5 is full role claim, since that could literally cost us the game if it has obvious problems.
Also, LoC, if you try to convince Gorlak to lynch with us (which again, I am not a fan of a plan that forced exodu5 in the spotlight), wouldn't L_P be a better offer than a no lynch? Gorlak would want to get rid of L_P, since trying to brand him will be difficult with his puppy power.
Finally, if it gets super obvious crab is getting lynched, do we want him to talk to gorlak? I still think warning Gorlak about the horcrux being a real threat to us AND him can be handy.
Also, guys, yeeny is rooting for us. WE CAN'T DISAPPOINT HER!
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Post by LordofCastamere on Dec 21, 2015 4:57:05 GMT -8
Also, LoC, if you try to convince Gorlak to lynch with us (which again, I am not a fan of a plan that forced exodu5 in the spotlight), wouldn't L_P be a better offer than a no lynch? Gorlak would want to get rid of L_P, since trying to brand him will be difficult with his puppy power. That could work. There still is a moderate chance we find the Sword N7. My only fear is lp has it. He still needs 3 nights minimum though, no matter what. So outting ourselves D7 wouldn't necessarily result in a loss by Horcrux. He still needs to destroy, at least, the Locket and tiara, though with Ginny present she might have the Diary. |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 21, 2015 5:09:48 GMT -8
Also, LoC, if you try to convince Gorlak to lynch with us (which again, I am not a fan of a plan that forced exodu5 in the spotlight), wouldn't L_P be a better offer than a no lynch? Gorlak would want to get rid of L_P, since trying to brand him will be difficult with his puppy power. That could work. There still is a moderate chance we find the Sword N7. My only fear is lp has it. He still needs 3 nights minimum though, no matter what. So outting ourselves D7 wouldn't necessarily result in a loss by Horcrux. He still needs to destroy, at least, the Locket and tiara, though with Ginny present she might have the Diary. I don't actually think L_P has it. He used his puppy power last night, and I think the sword wielder can't use the sword and his power during the same night (Blarg also couldn't destroy the ring and use his powers the same night). My fear is that if exodu5 dies, all the remaining horcruxes will be in possession of town, and we need to kill every towny. If horcruxes also get destroyed via night kills, that will make it impossible for us to kill all townies without also destroying all the horcruxes, making it impossible for us to win. |
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Post by LordofCastamere on Dec 21, 2015 5:17:10 GMT -8
That could work. There still is a moderate chance we find the Sword N7. My only fear is lp has it. He still needs 3 nights minimum though, no matter what. So outting ourselves D7 wouldn't necessarily result in a loss by Horcrux. He still needs to destroy, at least, the Locket and tiara, though with Ginny present she might have the Diary. I don't actually think L_P has it. He used his puppy power last night, and I think the sword wielder can't use the sword and his power during the same night (Blarg also couldn't destroy the ring and use his powers the same night). My fear is that if exodu5 dies, all the remaining horcruxes will be in possession of town, and we need to kill every towny. If horcruxes also get destroyed via night kills, that will make it impossible for us to kill all townies without also destroying all the horcruxes, making it impossible for us to win. I highly doubt the game allows this. I'm pretty sure a night kill gives us the Horcrux. Why would we destroy it? Doesn't make any sense. We might find out tonight. I'm curious if Luna has the Tiara. Kawl may have withheld that because he think it will be destroyed when he dies. |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 21, 2015 5:38:36 GMT -8
I don't actually think L_P has it. He used his puppy power last night, and I think the sword wielder can't use the sword and his power during the same night (Blarg also couldn't destroy the ring and use his powers the same night). My fear is that if exodu5 dies, all the remaining horcruxes will be in possession of town, and we need to kill every towny. If horcruxes also get destroyed via night kills, that will make it impossible for us to kill all townies without also destroying all the horcruxes, making it impossible for us to win. I highly doubt the game allows this. I'm pretty sure a night kill gives us the Horcrux. Why would we destroy it? Doesn't make any sense. We might find out tonight. I'm curious if Luna has the Tiara. Kawl may have withheld that because he think it will be destroyed when he dies. I agree, but until we know this for sure I think we should plan with the worst case scenario in mind (they do get destroyed). Also, I wouldn't be surprised if a direct night kill gives us the horcrux, but a poison kill doesn't (since we aren't "present" when someone dies of poison). |
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Post by Roytheone on Dec 21, 2015 6:32:59 GMT -8
Just so that I don't forget:
KILL: Christina Mackenzie
If you don't mind Nin, could you start the day on the normal time? I need to go to work soon and I kinda hate it when there is a lot of time between day start and me being able to post.
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Post by nin1000 on Dec 21, 2015 7:16:22 GMT -8
Day will start when i come home, which will be somewhere between 22 and 23 local time. Text is almost ready but i will go out after work.
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Post by TheExodu5 on Dec 21, 2015 7:43:06 GMT -8
My role has 2 powers:
1) Divination: I divine the future of a player and get the results 2 nights later. Doing so, I can detect the presence of the Dark Mark and can tell if they are a Death Eater or not.
2) Prophecy: passive. There is someone waiting to return to their fellow Death Eaters. I will be notified at night when this occurs.
I've investigated:
N1 - Blarg
N2 - Lord of Castamere
N3 - Crab (Death Eater)
N4 - Lone Prodigy
I investigated Blarg night 1 since he was cryptic and I didn't know what to make of him.
I investigated LoC night 2 because I he made several suspicious plays and I suspected him.
I investigated Crab N3 due to his role claim. I did not think there would be another investigator in the game besides Blarg and myself.
I investigated Lone_Prodigy N4 since he made that really suspicious "I'll decode the message" post prior to day's end. This seemed like a fake role-claim to me.
Day 5 was my mistake. I read too much into the lore and I firmly believed that we couldn't trust Rita Skeeter, and I was very apprehensive about there being a possible 3rd or 4th investigator role in the game. Also, I was waiting for my Crab investigation results on N5 so I didn't want to lynch him early in case I was wrong.
I believed there to be a Peter Pettigrew day 1 due to my prophecy power , but it seems that it was Voldemort waiting to return to the Death Eaters, not Peter Pettigrew.
What I do not reveal:
N5 - Flame_AC
N6 - Enker
I investigated Flame_AC N5 since I didn't have any firm suspicions on anyone and he's been very adamant about lynching miller's from Day 1, which always striked me as odd.
I investigated Enker N6 since I now know that Crab is scum and Enker was his first "Hogwarts" result on Day 4. Enker's been very quiet this game.
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