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Post by Sawneeks on Aug 28, 2017 13:48:53 GMT -8
I was actually fairly disappointed that they hammered before Royal could really put down any of his thoughts. Only thing I really remember from him lately was not trusting Sorian and I but I don't know if he ever discussed too much outside of that. Natiko unvoting after following up with Kark/Xbro also makes me wonder if he'll swing there too.
....both plans are good here, I think. I do find it weird people won't take us as both being Scum but I don't know if that will change if we try the Thunderdome tomorrow. If we really think we can swing Crimson/Sophia tomorrow then we can try just NKing Rac/Acohrs but I'd worry that might make Natiko step back since he wants Sophia/Crimson dead so much.
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Post by Sorian on Aug 28, 2017 14:01:28 GMT -8
I don't think Sophia and Crimson get lynched tomorrow if a kill happens tonight. That expects a lot of people to ignore the elephant in the room for what is essentially a gamble.
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Post by Sawneeks on Aug 28, 2017 14:04:48 GMT -8
current thoughts from this day phase
Natiko: Sophia/Crimson > Sorian/Sawneeks Nomad: Sorian/Sawneeks Crimson: Sorian/Sawneeks > Natiko/Nomad Sophia: Sorian/Sawneeks Acohrs: Sorian/Sawneeks ( other's being Monkey/Royal or Crimson/Sohpia ) Rac: Sorian/Sawneeks Monkey: Anyone not named Natiko/Nomad Royal: ??? ( the Day Phase before this all I could find was an unsure mix with Sawrian being potential Scum if they live, Xbro/Kark being a weird null but slightly Townie, Crimson/Sophia not being Scum, and Rac/Acohrs being Scum ) So not terribly in our favor unless we can convince Royal/Monkey and hope Natiko reigns in Nomad.
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Post by xbro on Aug 28, 2017 14:05:58 GMT -8
Nomad is a force that cannot be stopped.
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Post by Sawneeks on Aug 28, 2017 14:08:25 GMT -8
at this point I think it comes down to how we think people will take us framing someone.
would anyone even suggest the idea that we framed our own partner? Or would everyone just assume we tried a dastardly scum plot to lynch an innocent townie? because I think this decides who we frame and why
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Post by karkador on Aug 28, 2017 14:08:54 GMT -8
those are scumreads?
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Post by Sawneeks on Aug 28, 2017 14:11:08 GMT -8
Yeah, that's what everyone said this Day Phase who they want to lynch after the No Lynch.
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Post by xbro on Aug 28, 2017 14:14:19 GMT -8
The only reason the possibility of us framing a partner would come up is if someone does some analysis on Natiko's point earlier.
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Post by karkador on Aug 28, 2017 14:14:37 GMT -8
you have to wonder why they didn't just vote on you. why doubt with so much consensus? what does a no lynch offer them? another chance to see if you flip?
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Post by xbro on Aug 28, 2017 14:16:10 GMT -8
If you guys come out on top, you'll still have the issue of people wondering why you are still alive night after night.
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Post by Sawneeks on Aug 28, 2017 14:27:16 GMT -8
To be totally honest I am hoping you and Kark come out on top of this and not Sorian and I. IF Sorian and I live and you two get lynched we can always NK someone, claim we blocked Rac/Acohrs and since the kill still went through then that likely means they aren't Scum. But if you two live I think it would work better since you both can just let Town devour themselves. We just have to hope that happens. you have to wonder why they didn't just vote on you. why doubt with so much consensus? what does a no lynch offer them? another chance to see if you flip? Because a No Lynch forces Scum to kill a Townie and reduce the player list by 1. Therefore Town now has a smaller pool of people to work with and less of a chance to mislynch, not to mention they can start questioning why certain people aren't dying despite reads/PRs. They all don't trust us but it was the best move, not to mention in the 'off' chance we are Town we could find actual Scum in that time frame. :p
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Post by karkador on Aug 28, 2017 14:28:39 GMT -8
so what's to stop them from No Lynching again tomorrow?
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Post by Sawneeks on Aug 28, 2017 14:28:53 GMT -8
What do we think about possibly claiming we stopped Sophia/Crimson?
If we really think we can sway Town to our side of the debate then it's the perfect mislynch material since Natiko will gladly jump on board. However, if we still think Sorian and I will bite it regardless of who we block then we should stick to Xbro/Kark.
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Post by Sawneeks on Aug 28, 2017 14:30:13 GMT -8
so what's to stop them from No Lynching again tomorrow? Technically nothing, which opens up a whole other massive list of problems.
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Post by karkador on Aug 28, 2017 14:33:43 GMT -8
Actually if we NK tonight they lose if they No Lynch
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Post by karkador on Aug 28, 2017 14:34:28 GMT -8
if we don't NK and they no lynch, somebody risks getting modkilled
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Post by Sorian on Aug 28, 2017 14:35:20 GMT -8
They won't no lynch after a claimed block, it would be a waste of time for no benefit.
As far as us surviving over Kark and Xbro and who we'd have to kill, we still wouldn't kill anyone, we'd succeed in a second roleblock.
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Post by Sorian on Aug 28, 2017 14:37:33 GMT -8
Burb, we are allowed to not submit a kill right?
You can't really stop us today but you could once there's only one of us left.
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Post by xbro on Aug 28, 2017 14:40:23 GMT -8
What do we think about possibly claiming we stopped Sophia/Crimson? If we really think we can sway Town to our side of the debate then it's the perfect mislynch material since Natiko will gladly jump on board. However, if we still think Sorian and I will bite it regardless of who we block then we should stick to Xbro/Kark. Would have had a higher chance of success had Natiko not already brought the possibility up.
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Post by karkador on Aug 28, 2017 14:43:23 GMT -8
alternatively, frame natiko and say he was playing wifom games
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Post by Sawneeks on Aug 28, 2017 14:45:42 GMT -8
They won't no lynch after a claimed block, it would be a waste of time for no benefit. As far as us surviving over Kark and Xbro and who we'd have to kill, we still wouldn't kill anyone, we'd succeed in a second roleblock. The numbers don't add up. Kark/Xbro bite it tomorrow and we don't kill anyone leaves us with Day 8 at 1 Scum v. 4 Town. Even if we mislynch 1 Townie and kill someone else that Night Phase we'd go into Day 9 with 1 Scum v 2 Town. And since we would be forcing a mislynch with a fake block we'd be hitting a bad end. Best we could do is kill someone else and say our Block didn't stop it ( and essentially clear whoever we blocked ) and hope to the Mafia Gods that they don't turn on us for still being alive.
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Post by xbro on Aug 28, 2017 14:45:43 GMT -8
Who would be on our side in that scenario though?
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Post by xbro on Aug 28, 2017 14:46:06 GMT -8
That was meant for Kark.
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Post by karkador on Aug 28, 2017 14:46:56 GMT -8
Soph and Crimson biting on that would be enough to hammer
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Post by karkador on Aug 28, 2017 14:47:22 GMT -8
and one other random
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Post by xbro on Aug 28, 2017 14:47:56 GMT -8
I just have this nagging feeling like this is all going to come crashing down on us.
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Post by Sawneeks on Aug 28, 2017 14:51:37 GMT -8
...doing that with Natiko might work actually.
Natiko takes it as Sawrian colluding with Sophia/Crimson to get him murdered and if we die and flip Scum that paints Natiko as very Townie, Sophia/Crimson as not suuuper great ( depending on which stance they take ), and forces everyone else to pick sides. Might also get Monkey to really buy Natiko as Town and believe his idea that Sophia/Crimson is Scum, thus getting a good mislynch the following Day Phase.
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Post by Sawneeks on Aug 28, 2017 14:52:36 GMT -8
I just have this nagging feeling like this is all going to come crashing down on us.
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Post by Sorian on Aug 28, 2017 14:54:17 GMT -8
They won't no lynch after a claimed block, it would be a waste of time for no benefit. As far as us surviving over Kark and Xbro and who we'd have to kill, we still wouldn't kill anyone, we'd succeed in a second roleblock. The numbers don't add up. Kark/Xbro bite it tomorrow and we don't kill anyone leaves us with Day 8 at 1 Scum v. 4 Town. Even if we mislynch 1 Townie and kill someone else that Night Phase we'd go into Day 9 with 1 Scum v 2 Town. And since we would be forcing a mislynch with a fake block we'd be hitting a bad end. Best we could do is kill someone else and say our Block didn't stop it ( and essentially clear whoever we blocked ) and hope to the Mafia Gods that they don't turn on us for still being alive. True, the second "block" would move the game out of mylo. Maybe it is better to just play this straight. Things get really complicated if town just lynches Kark and believes us after a fake block there.
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Post by Sorian on Aug 28, 2017 14:55:10 GMT -8
Though blocking Natiko is interesting too.
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