I like the quoting one because it's an FA one of us could easily use to subtly seed throughout the course of the game, until the person in question gets focused on. Easily verifiable once claimed, not something that people should (easily) pick up on, it's pretty alignment neutral in nature... If one of us really needs a fake FA claim going in, I like it.
I just wonder if it actually works as a lie. All of our forbidden actions are actually pretty bad, to varying degrees, so I wonder if the same goes for the townies as well.
Post by crimsonfist on Feb 2, 2017 15:20:01 GMT -8
I'll give a few pointers, since you probably do need to decide on them before really knowing how the game works:
All forbidden actions are negative to varying degrees.
The actions provided in the OP are in line with the sort of things vanilla townies have, aside from the Pigs Flying one and the Banana one, those are just if you want to go with something a bit more absurd.
Power Roles generally have some connection to their forbidden actions.
If you actually want to go for this FA, you'll need to also come up with a good power role lie that would be connected to it. Considering that this would target a specific user, I think this could raise alarm bells that your power role is specifically connected to that user, as if you were Lovers. Plus, given the fact that you can basically just post as though you're replying to someone without quoting them, I wonder just how much you'd be able to convince people it wasn't fake if people started being skeptical about how much of a "forbidden action" it really is.
It's sounding like a riskier FA now. I don't like how it's connected to someone specifically; that could bring about so many complications. The positive I have in mind right now is that you'd get lynched when people didn't believe your FA, reveal your alignment, and then your fake "target" would potentially get suspected.
You'll probably have to stick with your actual FA since it'll be tough to be assured of that one vote on yourself. Bronx and I definitely need to have fake ones in mind given what they actually are. If Bronx has a preference in his I can pick from what's left.
Forbidden Action: Not having at least 1 vote at the end of a day phase. (my actual one)
There are most likely vanilla townies that have their own unique names without an actual power. I'm just not sure if names are actually associated with one's Forbidden Action right now. If they are, this fake claim is probably my best bet for a cover regarding my FA. If they are not... well, hopefully I can learn this before I need to claim.
Are your role names related to your forbidden actions?
If "Reserve Course Student" is supposed to be the actual vanilla townie name, then I wouldn't be able to use "Ultimate Politician" as mine just for my FA unless I come up with a PR. Really don't want to have to come up with a fake power role in this game.
Damn, I need something. I'm not counting on being high profile enough to have someone want to attach their vote to me at day end. If it manages to happen, that'd be neat, but I can't even really count on it with a single person unless they're totally absent near the end of the day with a vote on me. I don't think it should be any of you guys, either; don't want to have to manufacture and stick to some kind of interaction for this purpose.
If the "Ultimate Politician" works out, I could seed it out a bit in some dumb, explicit "vote for me"-type comment ways before I need to reveal my FA, possibly at the end of D1 or the start of D2.
My name actually gives me some wiggle room as far as what I want to do. I just don't know what I want to go with. Either not name claiming or not quoting a specific player. The banana one is too silly. The two different voting ones are too risky.
Think I'm going to go with Ultimate Athlete. I want something that sounds like it should be moving, just in case I get spotted doing my investigation role. I'll figure out the exact nature of the power a bit later. FA? Also not sure. Maybe have to move my vote around at least once per day? Cannot end my vote on the same person I start on? That sounds good.
I'd be careful about coming up with FAs that aren't specified by CrimsonFist in the first post, absolutbro. It's very possible that a townie could have that FA, and you'd land in a bunch of hot water if that were to happen.
Alright, so an update
Power Role: Two strongman kills that override any Town PR.
Forbidden Action: Directly killing the alignment cop.
Fake Role Name: ?
Fake Forbidden Action: ?
Power Role: Can find out the forbidden action of another player.
Forbidden Action: Disclosing or hinting at another player's forbidden action in the scum chat.
Fake Role Name: Ultimate Athlete
Fake Forbidden Action: Having to move vote around at least once per day OR cannot end his vote on the same person he first voted for.
Power Role: None
Forbidden Action: Not having 1 vote at the end of a day phase.
Fake Role Name: Ultimate Politician OR Reserve Course Student
Fake Forbidden Action: N/A
Power Role: Roleblocker w/ 4 shots
Forbidden Action: All 4 scum members being alive at the start of Day 4.
Fake Role Name: ?
Fake Forbidden Action: Name claiming OR quoting a specific player.
Hm, that's a good point. Maybe I'll stick with the last one "having my vote on anyone but the vote leader at EoD". That could get ugly if I'm not around at EoD though. I figure FAs will come up at some point, but I doubt anyone is going to press for a mass claim too early.
The issue comes when someone is cornered into needing to claim because they are a top suspect. FAs will be a really easy way to go back and verify if someone abided by it throughout the entire game, since everyone will have to constantly be keeping theirs in mind in order to not die. If anyone is found lying about their FA, it'll be the biggest of red flags and everyone will go nuts over it. As scum, we have to make sure we go into it with our own fake and "public/non-shadowy" FAs so that we don't get caught in that trap, since it'll be the most devastating for us.
There's probably a neutral in play, too. That's a different point, though.
I think I'm just going to try and avoid quoting a couple players as backup (thinking Stanley and kingkitty) but unless one of us has to use the name claiming one I'll go with it in a moment of need or until others are revealed. I don't want to choose one that is specific to another player until we see that others have one that specific.
I feel like responding as a Devil's advocate to Ty4on saying:
My point is I don't think the FA themselves have to be alignment indicative as it'd make sense to give scum some if some/all townies have one. It looks like a general mechanic and not town only.
By saying something like: "Though, it's possible that for the sake of balance, scum forbidden actions are either pretty lenient or essentially non-existent to avoid scenarios where they would all die quickly one after another or something."
I think pushing for him being #2 in position to get lynched is a real risky proposition, and I think we should be avoiding any source of risk right now. Motivations would be immediately obvious if OA was proposed as an alternate lynch target by one of us, especially since Sorian already talked about that scenario.
As for #1... well, it's all pretty nebulous right now, so he could organically become the prime target as this phase progresses. It's possible that the worse one's Forbidden Action is, the better their actual role is to balance that out.