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Post by Splinter on Feb 15, 2017 14:56:31 GMT -8
That was perfectly balanced by the forbidden action Surprisingly balanced, even
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Post by crimsonfist on Feb 15, 2017 15:03:02 GMT -8
Blarg's FA target was entirely RNG'd.
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Post by crimsonfist on Feb 15, 2017 15:11:16 GMT -8
There was a lot of potential death night 1 in the absolute worst case scenario, but I honestly never expected the Vig or the Neutral to shoot that early. FA remover I'd say was neutral utility, it was actually sort of a holdover from the bastard version where it was one shot and there was a super OP town role that was completely neutered by it's FA, as well as there being more to the tie with the neutral. Some town PR's could certainly have benefited from it, the cop or the vig, although the vig's FA could hypothetically have encouraged some restraint . But dying day 2 was certainly the worst town FA and self targeting was the intention, although I can see why someone would get that role and think that there's other roles that would benefit more from it.
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Post by faddy on Feb 15, 2017 16:07:43 GMT -8
There was a lot of potential death night 1 in the absolute worst case scenario, but I honestly never expected the Vig or the Neutral to shoot that early. FA remover I'd say was neutral utility, it was actually sort of a holdover from the bastard version where it was one shot and there was a super OP town role that was completely neutered by it's FA, as well as there being more to the tie with the neutral. Some town PR's could certainly have benefited from it, the cop or the vig, although the vig's FA could hypothetically have encouraged some restraint . But dying day 2 was certainly the worst town FA and self targeting was the intention, although I can see why someone would get that role and think that there's other roles that would benefit more from it. But me and Splinter were both correct to use our shots on night 1. I was dead on day 2 unless I had evidence of scum votes on me and Splinter wanted to get a hit before he got scum targeted. I read your explanation about telling scum that restrictive FAs were linked to power roles and I think you shouldn't have said anything. They have 4 of their own FAs to read into any significance and the reveal of FAs of dead players. They should be expected to make that connection themselves.
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Post by crimsonfist on Feb 15, 2017 17:45:46 GMT -8
It's balanced if it worked out ok Scum really needed to decide on fake FA's before the day started, which would mean not getting to see any town flips. Whilst they did have their own to go off, there was no guarantee for them that town's would follow the same rules. Plus they did have PR's without a direct connection to their role.
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Post by Sawneeks on Feb 15, 2017 18:13:46 GMT -8
The first draft of this was imbalanced. It had "winning" as a forbidden actionPfffffffffffffffffff you and splinter should work together on a Volcano Island 2. I wasn't sure if anyone could make something crazier but that one does it lol. That was perfectly balanced by the forbidden action What was the FA?
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Post by Blargonaut on Feb 15, 2017 19:51:24 GMT -8
blah blah blah blah blah As opposed to me; I was assigned to be a pawn, I did the job I was given. A pawn is SUPPOSED to go upfront and draw aggro, which is what I did. blah blah blah etc. Wut. Who do you think you were drawing aggro from Blarg? The town PRs fearing NK or the scums fearing lynch? IMO, players need an excuse to participate, so I catered to that just because they're powerful doesn't mean they shouldn't engage
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Post by Blargonaut on Feb 15, 2017 20:13:56 GMT -8
Everyone gone and left is complaining about how much airtime I was taking up; yet, shouldn't a player that apparently prolific in players' hearts & minds, warrant the same amount of scrutiny post-elimination? Even more so, given the flip? That would be the TOWN thing to do, wouldn't it? Exhaust all possible lanes of intel-gathering after the fact(s), retread footsteps as much as possible? I think you're overestimating how much patience people have; with keeping up with the discussion, and trying to decipher what other players are trying to say. Look, I seem to have offended you, but I'm not trying to put you down. I look forward to games I'm in with you, and I think you are perfectly capable of solid play. I also don't have much room to talk, since I pull some similar shit that aggravates people. At least people seem to like you for it. I try to adjust my play based on that feedback, because sometimes I do things that work, and sometimes it's a huge bust. I'm just saying that, even speaking as someone willing to have some patience with your act, I just gave up trying to listen to what you were saying, because none of it was making sense. It just muddled the hell out of everything. Some of that maybe had to do with being the person directly accused by you (with something blatantly false), but your flip added no context to what was happening with you. All it did was say "we can ignore everything that happened with Blarg", and that means ignoring a huge chunk of the discussion. And if the current state of the gameboard looks like someone flipped the table? Scum is still in a better position to capitalize on our mistakes. I already admitted making some errors, but sure, I'll elaborate on what I did wrong. First of all, I pledged "no gambits" because I wanted to give an earnest shot at playing whatever role I got straight-forward without any tricks. I had also just played a game where I lied pretty excessively. So I looked at my role and saw that I had two shots and two days to live (if I did nothing). I was prepared from the start to die N2, because I thought using the power on myself was pretty selifsh. I thought about different ways I could use the power. I really only initially intended to try to get hints about people's FAs, but the conversation took unexpected turns when people fake-claimed FAs, or suicided, or Faddy pretty much outed the existence of my role in his role flip. I didn't expect all my FA-prodding to suddenly fit the profile that the flip described. I DID trust Flux, who I take is scum, so good on him for fooling me, but it seems my role was setup as negative utility from the start anyway. I did try to make it clear that me curing his FA didn't mean I crossed his name off the scum list, but I think everything I ended up trying to do with the role was the opposite of what I should have done. In the end, the game was just frustrating me. The discussion would lull to a stop until you came around, and if you weren't dropping #believeitornot nonsense, you were making really strained efforts to try to incriminate me. I ended up calling out StarSketch's seemingly-clashing FA, just to get things moving again. Then that led to an override that I didn't even really care for. I don't really feel like an expert at mafia game balance or anything, but I feel like there were too many potential points for a chain reaction of bad decisions for Town. what can I say Kark, except Support LVL. increased.come on, let's hug it out, hug me
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Post by Blargonaut on Feb 15, 2017 20:29:34 GMT -8
so remaining Despair's gotta be:
Natiko Bronx-Man FluxWaveZ
Can't wait to cobble together a vague "told you so" gloat post scraped from the bowels of my pre-Override filler texts and hold it over everyone's heads during the post-game breakdown like an END IS NIGH sign with mistletoe on it
cannot
wait
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Post by crimsonfist on Feb 16, 2017 1:14:45 GMT -8
The first draft of this was imbalanced. It had "winning" as a forbidden actionPfffffffffffffffffff you and splinter should work together on a Volcano Island 2. I wasn't sure if anyone could make something crazier but that one does it lol. That was perfectly balanced by the forbidden action What was the FA? Posting in scum chat at all. I mean sure, they could have just taken the loss, since they had an FA which necessitates one of them dying by N3 anyway, or breadcrumbed the information in the game thread, but that doesn't mean it wasn't balanced.
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Post by karkador on Feb 16, 2017 8:05:39 GMT -8
what can I say Kark, except Support LVL. increased.come on, let's hug it out, hug me alright, let's go watch some anime
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Post by Sawneeks on Feb 16, 2017 14:23:14 GMT -8
Pfffffffffffffffffff you and splinter should work together on a Volcano Island 2. I wasn't sure if anyone could make something crazier but that one does it lol. What was the FA? Posting in scum chat at all. I mean sure, they could have just taken the loss, since they had an FA which necessitates one of them dying by N3 anyway, or breadcrumbed the information in the game thread, but that doesn't mean it wasn't balanced. If they had broken their FA by posting in the Scum chat would you have removed whatever they posted? They could have easily just posted all the info right as the Day started and taken the hit before anybody could make connections. I can see why it was shot down lol
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Post by crimsonfist on Feb 16, 2017 14:51:15 GMT -8
Posting in scum chat at all. I mean sure, they could have just taken the loss, since they had an FA which necessitates one of them dying by N3 anyway, or breadcrumbed the information in the game thread, but that doesn't mean it wasn't balanced. If they had broken their FA by posting in the Scum chat would you have removed whatever they posted? They could have easily just posted all the info right as the Day started and taken the hit before anybody could make connections. I can see why it was shot down lol Nah, the idea I was going for was that they had powerful PR's but the tradeoff was that taking advantage of them would be breaking their FA, so posting it would still have been within the rules. Absolut's ended up a toned down version of that role anyway. Don't see why they haven't turboed, nothing is being discussed. Bet they end the day whilst I'm asleep. This is what I think might be the issue with Crab's proposed new voting system, people are often reluctant to end the day early even when there's no real benefit to drawing it out.
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Post by Bronx-Man on Feb 16, 2017 18:35:51 GMT -8
These games get less and less fun as time goes on.
WWE 2, where are you?
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Post by Sophia on Feb 16, 2017 20:57:37 GMT -8
I have to ask, Bronx, but did you not notice the name of the vanilla townies? D:
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Post by Bronx-Man on Feb 16, 2017 21:30:33 GMT -8
I have to ask, Bronx, but did you not notice the name of the vanilla townies? D: I THOUGHT THEY ALL SAID ULTIMATE GODDAMNIT
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Post by Blargonaut on Feb 16, 2017 21:41:37 GMT -8
I have to ask, Bronx, but did you not notice the name of the vanilla townies? D: I THOUGHT THEY ALL SAID ULTIMATEGODDAMNIT I'm taking credit for this
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Post by Blargonaut on Feb 16, 2017 21:45:50 GMT -8
The problem was that you needed more GIFs, Bronx
No one can coast on a diet of one-liners alone, that's not the true flippant way
people love "contribution" and moving pictures are worth thousands of words
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Post by Blargonaut on Feb 16, 2017 21:51:38 GMT -8
re: Sorian
How can I describe SORIANPLAY this game? I wouldn't say it's... disengaged, because it's not; and, I wouldn't say it's aloof, that's too strong a descriptor.
His posts feel... guerrilla. This constant leaning forward and leaning backward then forward, like some kind of guarded commitment. His votes feel... surgical? Somehow.
I'm willing to bet that he's a Neutral.
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Post by yn on Feb 16, 2017 22:12:53 GMT -8
whatchu betting blargi
what is it
whatchu putting on the line
and where is diablomafia
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Post by Sophia on Feb 16, 2017 22:37:28 GMT -8
I have to ask, Bronx, but did you not notice the name of the vanilla townies? D: I THOUGHT THEY ALL SAID ULTIMATE GODDAMNIT Lesson learned for next time then. But yeah as this thread shows, I'm surprised it took people so long to call you out on it. Especially given Blarg's flip.
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Post by Bronx-Man on Feb 17, 2017 13:26:52 GMT -8
The problem was that you needed more GIFs, Bronx No one can coast on a diet of one-liners alone, that's not the true flippant way people love "contribution" and moving pictures are worth thousands of words Show me, Blarg. Teach me the ways of the dark side.
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Post by crimsonfist on Feb 17, 2017 13:35:20 GMT -8
Once you're outed as scum at least, there's no reason not to spam gifs.
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Post by kingkitty on Feb 18, 2017 13:24:57 GMT -8
hello I'm dead.
I voted Bronx 3 days in a row. I am tremendous.
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Post by Sophia on Feb 18, 2017 13:33:54 GMT -8
While this is technically true, the fact that people always word this to be specifically about them bugs me.
But yes, scum will take advantage of any weaknesses a player has. Players need to reconize and avoid these weaknesses, not merely shrug it off and hope the rest of the town will as well too.
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Post by Bronx-Man on Feb 18, 2017 13:46:42 GMT -8
Looking on the people town is examining right now, I'd say scum has this in the bag.
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Post by yn on Feb 18, 2017 14:06:32 GMT -8
welcome kitteh
u played bigly
\o/
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Post by verelios on Feb 18, 2017 18:40:18 GMT -8
I'm kind of shocked Natiko isn't getting called out more for last day, but then again, rule of threes and that.
GG scum team, truly the best deflection
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Post by Blargonaut on Feb 18, 2017 19:45:04 GMT -8
ommmmggg Natiko's sooooooooooooooooooooo scuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm IT'S SOOOOOO OBVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVIIIIIIIIIIIOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSS to me
I CALLED IT DAYS AGO READ MY POSTS READ MY POSTS STARE AT NATIKO STARE AT NATIIKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by Blargonaut on Feb 18, 2017 19:46:02 GMT -8
'sup kitty
We had a cordial game, most pleasant
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