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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 18, 2016 13:21:50 GMT -8
To translate, I'm not going to tell you what or when to post things. If you have questions I'll do my best to answer, and I'll try to give generalized advice. But I won't tell you the best strategy to use in a given scenario.
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Post by pkgaming on Nov 18, 2016 13:21:57 GMT -8
YOU CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON BROSUKE!
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Post by Retro on Nov 18, 2016 13:22:14 GMT -8
Are you kidding me. This game is surprising me everywhere. I love this. Well, let me make sure I was clear. You're not actually getting a new team member. We just want to make sure you're not floundering in the dark, so we're bringing you a mentor to help you out.
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Post by pkgaming on Nov 18, 2016 13:24:48 GMT -8
So the 3 of us can kill up to 3 players collectively if we don't use our powers, right?
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 18, 2016 13:25:23 GMT -8
So the 3 of us can kill up to 3 players collectively if we don't use our powers, right? No. you still only have a single factional kill, but you choose who performs it
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Post by pkgaming on Nov 18, 2016 13:27:09 GMT -8
Ah. Guess i'll need to think long and hard about who to investigate...
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 13:33:24 GMT -8
Whatever you do, don't investigate Sorian.
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Post by blackbuzzard on Nov 18, 2016 13:35:35 GMT -8
Why you getting strong investigator vibes from him?
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 13:40:48 GMT -8
It would be a waste of your your investigation role, I'll explain later. Sorian is definitely a power role, but he can become a tool for us, I'm not sure. We have all weekend for now, I'll try to formulate a plan/my take later and maybe we can ask brosuke for guidance on it depending on the extend of his guidance. For now try to find other lynch targets than Sorian and brainstorm ideas on what we should do.
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 18, 2016 13:43:13 GMT -8
Style this shouldn't need to be said but it wouldn't be the first time. MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHICH THREAD YOU ARE IN BEFORE YOU HIT "POST!!!!!!"
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 18, 2016 13:44:23 GMT -8
Also there is no reason to be coy about what you learned. Nothing wrong with sharing with your team.
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 14:40:13 GMT -8
Give me a moment, I want to be theatrical about this, gosh.
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 14:41:50 GMT -8
I didn't want it to go this way. I really didn't. This hurts. This hurts badly. I planned to go out quiet and with my head held down. But no. No, they had to take my comrade down before me. Winning or losing meant nothing to me. I just wanted to go out in peace, to have a quiet life. I wanted to wreak havoc, peace out and watch my comrades taking it from there, but the village took that away from me. What am I going to do now? Play a good scum game? Turn it around and hope to win? I'm going to make more chaos. I'm going to make the thread more confusing than King Crimson ever could. I'll make it so chaotic that spectators are going to believe that the thread has been run through the text based equivalent of Google DeepDream. I'll make sure you two make it out even if I have to cut off my own hand.
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 14:43:36 GMT -8
Okay, so here are the current facts, sorry for parroting (hi cabot).
- We've lost a team mate - We didn't get to lynch a villager getting us closer to victory - All of us are under the spot light. You two have gotten partial town reads, but you both have several people waiting to lynch you. I had to fake a role claim to get credibility, but whatever happens on this night seals my fate which leads me to the next point: - I'm going to die - If we kill someone this night it's going to be a 2-1 trade in their favour after I'm lynched.
So here's a new card I have been dealt. Sorian is a town aligned power role. He has the Persona of the Magician Arcana and he has the gossip power to invite a player to a 1 on 1 chat every night and guess what, the first one he used on is me. Here is the deal he offered me: First an honest answer on whether or not I really was a power role or a town player that lied/faked to get out of a pinch. I cracked and said I really was a power role. He has this offer to me: I use my role this night and if there's more than one target and I have to choose I have to tell him who the two targets are to are to prove my power and win his trust the next day.
This is bad, this is really bad. Also there's a huge caveat to his offering/power. Whoever enters the chat can see who the previous guest was and their posts. Better hold on to your butts and hit F5 on this thread every hour, we have to be snappy if we want to do this to our advantage and give him a reply in time.
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 14:46:03 GMT -8
Also, I don't know to what extent brother zombie trashmeister can guide us, but please Ouros, we need every bit of your IQ points to add up to the cumulative of our team and make up for my missing ones.
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 18, 2016 14:47:39 GMT -8
lol ok I thought you were just being secretive for some weird reason :P
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 18, 2016 15:00:20 GMT -8
So I'll ask you a question. How can you get through the night without using your claimed power?
Also, for future reference, never ever claim a power that you can't reasonably excuse. Like, never claim doublevoter, because it is easily verified by asking you to double vote.
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 15:03:42 GMT -8
Here's my current shower thoughts (I literally just came out of a shower! x) ):
Scenario 1: We kill someone tonight (possibly with my stealth commando. I tell Sorian I'm one of the targets and who the other is and that I'm picking to save myself. He buys that I predicted a kill.
Why this scenario is good: - I have Sorian's trust for life and he's now on our side. - Whoever enters the gossip chat after me will see I predicted the kill and will buy my Power Role claim too
Why this scenario is bad: - There could be a real serial killer role out there. This is Persona, very possible we have our own Adachi and he offs someone tonight. This means there will be a target I can't provide Sorian with and my bluffing is going to die. But it also means we get to kill a villager and the 2-1 trade happens after I'm lynched and if we are even more lucky our Adachi killed another villager making it a 2-2 trade after I'm lynched. - I have to defend myself for the village tomorrow, many people have said I'm next on the chopping block if someone dies this night.
Scenario 2: We don't kill anyone. I say I used the commando and there wasn't more than 1 victim.
Why this scenario is good: - I have Sorian's trust for life and he's now on our side. - Whoever enters the gossip chat after me will see I predicted the kill and will buy my Power Role claim too
Why this scenario is bad: - If the real serial killer (mentioned in last scenario's bullet points) appears and kill someone I'm still on the chopping board. My power was a hog wash and everyone sees through it. - We lost a turn and didn't get to kill anyone and I'm going to die making it a 2-0 trade (maybe 2-1 if the serial killer hits another villager).
Scenario 3: We kill Sorian erasing any trace of evidence.
- Hey, if everyone is going to see through my power and lynch me anyway we might as well take out a power role.
Scenario 4: Suicide. We kill me.
Why this scenario is good: - It's going to confuse the hell out of anyone - A lot of reads will be blurred
Why this scenario is bad: - Can we really afford to lose another scum?
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 15:06:40 GMT -8
Also he's asking me for reads, halp.
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 15:08:34 GMT -8
So I'll ask you a question. How can you get through the night without using your claimed power? Also, for future reference, never ever claim a power that you can't reasonably excuse. Like, never claim doublevoter, because it is easily verified by asking you to double vote. There's no scenario where I get out of this without having "used" my non-existent power. Everyone is going to believe the wolves are targeting me right now. I really thought I could make this role claim believeable because we have the control over who dies, but I forgot that the game (very likely) have a neutral role that is going to kill someone and there's no way I can pretend I have control over that element. I really messed up, I'm going to get lynched the next night no matter what happens.
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 18, 2016 15:18:14 GMT -8
Ok, how can you use it, yet somehow obscure the results?
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 15:40:27 GMT -8
I have no idea, maybe use my stealth kill, but that command is guaranteed to be used anyway, there's no way we are doing a kill that can be traced tonight. Other than that and the ideas I presented I'm blank.
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Post by pkgaming on Nov 18, 2016 16:35:30 GMT -8
Just came back from work and WOW I'll give my thoughts a little later, I need to do some much needed R n R
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 16:46:22 GMT -8
The possibility of a neutral kill this night has me on the edge. We could set up a 10/10 bluff if that possibility was ruled out fooling not just Sorian getting him on my side, but every future player that visited his room, but without knowing it's just a too damn big gambit to take. Ugh.
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 16:49:06 GMT -8
If there wasn't a neutral kill this night all we had to do was use my stealth command to kill someone, I tell Sorian the choice was between him and me and I saved my own ass and hopefully he would help me explain it to the town tomorrow in a believable manner and the next villager to visit his room would buy it as well.
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 16:56:09 GMT -8
Here's some of Sorian's input I have for you all: - The reason Sorian got on the track of Exodus is because Exodus mentioned that he wanted a cop to check out Sorian. This made him believe we either have a cop/investigator ourselves or a role called a framer and that Exodus gave away admitting to be scum. wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Framer- If I claim there's two targets and I'm one of them, he rather wants me to protect the other one. :')
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 18, 2016 20:36:44 GMT -8
Ok, other than this scum team, who else knows about your plan with Sorian
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 21:38:09 GMT -8
Tfw I know you're trying to lead me on to something, but I can't think of it. Sorian himself? Future guests in his gossip room? Someone with an investigator/tracking role?
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Post by pkgaming on Nov 18, 2016 21:57:07 GMT -8
The possibility of a neutral kill this night has me on the edge. We could set up a 10/10 bluff if that possibility was ruled out fooling not just Sorian getting him on my side, but every future player that visited his room, but without knowing it's just a too damn big gambit to take. Ugh. What's this about a neutral kill?
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Post by Style on Nov 18, 2016 22:03:55 GMT -8
There's a possibility that there's some sort of neutral player who has a different win condition than us and can kill themselves too. It's a longshot, but it's entirely possible.
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