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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 19, 2016 7:15:46 GMT -8
What's the difference between your options if there is and if there isn't a second killing role out there?
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Post by pkgaming on Nov 19, 2016 8:59:43 GMT -8
I think we should go for maximum insanity and kill Sorian
If we kill him, he can't spill the beans on Style being a faker, right?
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Post by blackbuzzard on Nov 19, 2016 9:13:32 GMT -8
I think all 3 of us should amake a list of who we think is vanilla town and who we think might has a PR or who might be the neutral. Then in that list we should also mention the threat level of all the players(low,medium,high).
After that we can look into this Sorian dilemma.
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Post by Style on Nov 19, 2016 11:07:27 GMT -8
What's the difference between your options if there is and if there isn't a second killing role out there? The only difference I can spot is: Whether or not I get the trust of Sorian and if we can make a trade on our lost team mate this night. The only thing that keeps me from dying is if no one dies, even without a serial killer target, several people have said that if someone dies I'm on the chopping block. Getting Sorian's trust might avert this point, but I can hardly see it happening. No kill night is an option, but I really don't want to lose/waste a night turn, especially after we lost Exodus. @pk I honestly think this can work for our advantage if there's no SK. @buzz I'll try come up with that later today, when I'm not completely zoned out. x)
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Post by Style on Nov 19, 2016 17:42:09 GMT -8
We need to come up with something. o|-< Some reports from Sorian's chat, he's currently using Exodus' read list to find other scum suspects:
- He thinks Exo flipped too fast on 11037. This might be because 11037 is a fellow scum. - Exo's read lists clears Exmachina from being scum - Exo's reading on franco clears him too - Sorian thinks you are obvious town, PK. This is because you put the nail in the coffin for Exodus and didn't switch over to Exmachina - Scum reading Ty4on.
Sorian thinks I might be scum. Reason: Exodus said he words "Maybe not time for the bus" then put pressure on me. Sorian thinks I am a teammate he wants to through under the bus and that Exodus was switching between scum chat and the thread because of the rhetoric (lmao this one is actually true Exodus DID say word for word in here here he would throw me under the bus).
- Thinks Vanguard is scum. If Vanguard is revealed to be scum, he flux is scum too. - Ends stating with worrying that I'm scum, but there's nothing he can do about it. Says if he dies town will see his role PM and know I did it.
Regarding the last one: Are role PM's shown on scum targets? From the IRL games I've played scum targets roles are never revealed to keep the rest of the cast ambiguous. Idk if that is a Gafia thing, but Sorian has played way more games than me, so I'm taking his stance on it.
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Post by Style on Nov 19, 2016 17:51:24 GMT -8
@buzz
I think Flux, Hyperactivity and Starsketch are power roles besides Sorian.
Danger level high: Hyperactivity and Sorian - Both has seen right through our roles, Sorian outright saw through Exodus and while both of them have given town reads on one of us, they are just way dangerous.
Danger level medium: FluxWaveZ - Highly intelligent, but his hard headedness can derail him and also makes him get some scum reads from others.
Danger level low: StarSketch - SS isn't super invested in the game, even if she's a power role she's not making massive read posts and seeing right through us.
I think rest might be regular townies (duh).
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Post by Style on Nov 19, 2016 17:56:38 GMT -8
If we can't bring any better ideas to the table I honestly think we should just use stealth kill someone, I provide Sorian with who the other target is, lie that I'm protecting myself.
Then we close our eyes and hope no one else dies. After that we muddle out the strings the next day. If I survive the lynch mob future guests can see my posts in Sorian's chat and give me town reads. Having Sorian give you an "obvious" town read also works out to your advantage, PK, even if my gambit fails.
Also maybe we need to use the investigate on someone. I'm not sure how it works. What will it tell us, their power role? What they are doing at night in a flavour style text? And do we get to know it this night?
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Post by pkgaming on Nov 19, 2016 18:14:09 GMT -8
Alright, here's what I think
I'll investigate Flux
If he's a power roll, then we kill him straight up
If not, we kill Sorian (and effectively backstab him)
What do you think?
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Post by Sophia on Nov 19, 2016 18:49:44 GMT -8
Alright, here's what I think I'll investigate Flux If he's a power roll, then we kill him straight up If not, we kill Sorian (and effectively backstab him) What do you think? it is typically standard in a Mafia game that power roles and kills will resolve themselves during the dawn phase (that is, the hour after actions have locked but before the day phase begins) You will not receive the results of your investigation until then.
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Post by blackbuzzard on Nov 19, 2016 19:02:21 GMT -8
Ill post my list tomorrow, pretty tired right now.
But ill just post this if SK is in the game im betting its hyper.
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Post by Style on Nov 19, 2016 19:32:38 GMT -8
Screw it, if we aren't getting a report on Flux, I say we off him since I think he is a cinnamon roll.
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Post by pkgaming on Nov 19, 2016 20:03:34 GMT -8
Yeah let's stick it to him LOL
In the meantime, who should I investigate
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Post by Style on Nov 19, 2016 20:19:35 GMT -8
I want to say Hyperactivity, but if my hunch is right, it would be a waste of investigation. Let's think about it for a while and maybe wait for Buzz' input.
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 19, 2016 21:24:22 GMT -8
Side note: power roles are one thing, but influence is another. A PR may be able to outright find you somehow, but they have to get lucky and choose correctly at night. People that can influence votes are also an issue.
It's up to you which of those things you find to be more pressing, and if you all can influence/control one of them.
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Post by Style on Nov 19, 2016 22:21:45 GMT -8
You're right and that's why I want to push this dilemma to the deadline.
Flux/Hyper and Sorian are all coincidentally mob leaders who have influenced the first day heavily. If the gambit goes through and I can fake a protective role in the gossip chat Sorian's leader ship role in the town can come in my favour though. If it fails and Sorian personally have proof that I'm a fraud I am sooo dead.
This train of thought really also makes me think we should just get Sorian and call it a day and I try to defend myself tomorrow. This choice is actually way more safe, but it depends on my arguing skills to defend myself tomorrow and we all know I'm a bad player, so the extend of this is not going to be far...
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Post by Style on Nov 19, 2016 22:24:45 GMT -8
Actually, if we take one of that trio out this night, I want you guys to pursue the rest of them. Without them the rest of the townies are going to run around like headless chickens. Don't get me wrong, the other players are sharp, but these three and especially Sorian are just on another level.
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Post by Style on Nov 19, 2016 22:26:27 GMT -8
^^^^^^^^
I meant after I'm one, I want you guys to keep pursuing them.
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Post by Style on Nov 19, 2016 22:26:59 GMT -8
gone*
this no edit rule is killing me :')
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Post by blackbuzzard on Nov 20, 2016 3:19:58 GMT -8
Potential players with Power roles. Flux: He is a tastemaker somebody that can get people to align with him even if he is hardheaded. high Hyper: Wants total anarchy would not surprise me if he has a neutral role. high FEP: Just something about his posts they are pretty damn safe while still being analytical has not made any waves outside of fucking with fran. medium Sorian: Kill on sight if Style does get lynched next day phase, he is dead even if i have to use my unblockable. high
Townies 11037: Really safe player that has not actually done much to leave an impression. low ii-vanguard-ii: Inactive has actually called suspicion upon himself like 11037 has not made any impact on the game. low exmachine64: Another player that has called suspicion upon himself by aligning himself with the opinions of louder players like Flux and Sorian and flipping his vote to appease these players. low Franconp: A loud mouth aggressive player that wants to be leader but has no power role, nobody is really following him outside of WAMD. medium WAMD: Still do not have a good read on her. Cant determine threat level. Ty4on:Seems experienced have not seen enough of him to make a good read. medium because he seems to be a veteran. Natiko: Frankly completely safe parrots what other players have already pointed out. low Plop: Just alligns himself with others opinions, deliciously noobie like me. low Mattattack: I suspect him off actually having a power role he keeps himself in the background enough to be mostly unnoticed by us scum but enough to not wake suspicions from other townies. Comes in with a read list that's pretty damn accurate. high Starsketch: I frankly think she was baiting us with that pm comment to see if we would waste our first kill on her. Has not really made any big reads and is mostly inactive. low Verelios: Pretty much same as Natiko. low Zippedinhead: Nothing and that actually worries me flying under anyone's radar. Cant determine threat level.
So yeah those are my thoughts as of now. Comments would be much appreciated good or bad.
Yes i agree with killing Flux its one less loud mouth to worry about and he could very well be a PR. What im worried about is if maybe somebody is blocking an attack on flux its either him or Sorian that will get blocked. So what kill do we use?
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Post by Sophia on Nov 20, 2016 10:26:07 GMT -8
Reminder that we're approaching the 24 hour mark. All night actions will be locked an hour before day start, and we still need your factional kill and PK's target. Also remember your commands any time before targets are locked.
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 20, 2016 10:38:05 GMT -8
Also remember that you have to choose who is going to perform the kill.
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Post by pkgaming on Nov 20, 2016 11:46:56 GMT -8
We should use the strongman kill to pierce through any defense. As for the target.......... I'm thinking of Sorian again. I know he currently thinks i'm town, but I don't see that lasting for a while. Plus, I'm rather enamored with the idea of killing someone that everyone thinks is untouchable. Sure, Flux is going to go after us, but me and Style are going to enjoy the arguments going forward, and its unprecedented play.
So I saw we go for it. I'll investigate Flux and Buzzard will kill Sorian.
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Post by Style on Nov 20, 2016 14:33:48 GMT -8
I'm not sure if we can use stealth and strong man kill on same night. If there's a ninja in this game, there's definitely a tracker too.
Wait a minute. Ouro you say we have to decide who does the kill tonight. This isn't your traditional kill where we all are taking part of the kill and if anyone of us gets investigated we will be a shown as scum if it isn't a stealth kill? If PK/Buzzard performs a normal/strongman kill and I'm tracked/investigated it wont show up to the investigator?
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 20, 2016 15:02:51 GMT -8
I'm not sure if we can use stealth and strong man kill on same night. If there's a ninja in this game, there's definitely a tracker too. Wait a minute. Ouro you say we have to decide who does the kill tonight. This isn't your traditional kill where we all are taking part of the kill and if anyone of us gets investigated we will be a shown as scum if it isn't a stealth kill? If PK/Buzzard performs a normal/strongman kill and I'm tracked/investigated it wont show up to the investigator? First off, no. The Strongman and Ninja roles are MODIFIERS to your faction's kill - not separate ones. As for why you have to choose who does the kill is because of roles like Trackers. Say there is a Tracker and you do the kill. If he targets you, he will see you visit your target. Now if you decide to use your Ninja role for the kill, he won't see you move. If Buzzard does the kill and is targeted by a Tracker, they would see HIM visit his target, even if he uses his Strongman role. If Buzzard does the kill and YOU are targeted by a Tracker, they'll just see you do nothing since you have nothing else you can do anyway.
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Post by Sophia on Nov 20, 2016 15:04:01 GMT -8
Mafia factional kill has never worked as an "all taking part of the kill" type deal. You pick who submits the command. Coincidentally, this is also the reason why you can't use the stealth kill and the strongman kill at the same time. You only have one factional kill, and thus only one person can submit the command.
Related to this, but PK can't investigate someone if he submits the kill either.
EDIT:Seems Ouro beat me to it, but yeah, that's the jist as to why.
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 20, 2016 15:05:03 GMT -8
The reason why is that if there is a Tracker, they would have to select the correct person to track who did the kill, rather than seeing three people kill someone.
Also, only the people who have Ninja/Strongman can use that modifier. If PK kills someone, it is trackable and can be protected against.
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Post by Style on Nov 20, 2016 15:37:17 GMT -8
Oh ok...
I've only played Werewolf IRL and there wasn't a tracker role. Every wolf just agreed on a kill and there was a Seer which outright could just see a players role card. Thought this was similar. Guess I can't use my thoughts from irl WW here. It's also where I got my bullshit made up power role from.
I get now why no one bought it without me having to explain technicalities ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by Style on Nov 20, 2016 15:43:17 GMT -8
So strong man kill or stealth from me? We've all been under spot light so there's a chance even Buzz is getting tracked. Obviously I'm the first tracking suspect.
What's the point even of bluffing my power role if I'm getting tracked and they get a "Style did nothing" report. <_> Wouldn't that give away I'm not a power role? Tracker gets power role reports too, right?
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Post by Ourobolus on Nov 20, 2016 15:45:07 GMT -8
So strong man kill or stealth from me? We've all been under spot light so there's a chance even Buzz is getting tracked. Obviously I'm the first tracking suspect. What's the point even of bluffing my power role if I'm getting tracked and they get a "Style did nothing" report. <_> Wouldn't that give away I'm not a power role? Tracker gets power role reports too, right? They usually get "your target visited X" So yes, usually a power role, but not always.
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Post by Style on Nov 20, 2016 15:47:18 GMT -8
Well then, it's all over anyway.
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