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Post by ezekelrage on Oct 13, 2016 11:19:36 GMT -8
The thing with Ouro is we will have to deal with his list either way. Because he won't be budging from it. He wants to see someone from the list die. I don't think many ppl are reading him as anything other than town. He made a big enough impact to be read as town and probably have docs or protectors on him. We will also have to get rid of him eventually since he will become a bigger problem the later the game goes. So either way would be giving his list credibility, unless he flips neutral.
We can easily say the reason he died was too make the list look more credible. idk.
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Post by Barrylocke on Oct 13, 2016 11:19:58 GMT -8
Role block death though, yay.
Although in a role madness game maybe that's not the best early die.
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Post by verelios on Oct 13, 2016 11:20:50 GMT -8
That's a good question. I'd probably stand out first and hyper react since that would look bad on me, maybe try to play a framing angle. But from where to go...uh, maybe try and link Cabot with his death if I can. Well, we have all night so no rush
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Post by ezekelrage on Oct 13, 2016 11:21:53 GMT -8
Yea, ppl are already suspecting Kyan slightly, especially since he didn't pop back up.
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Post by Barrylocke on Oct 13, 2016 11:22:56 GMT -8
Ouro wants to see people he's suspicious of die. It's day one and that happens to be a lot of us. Is Ouro a tunneler? IIRC I was scum with him in Dangan but I forget how he was besides being aggressive and aiming for town leaderish status for awhile. Other people can look suspicious and I'm not sure how damnable what we've done really is.
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Post by verelios on Oct 13, 2016 11:24:31 GMT -8
Phew, Ynnek had a pretty nice role there
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Post by Ty4on on Oct 13, 2016 11:24:57 GMT -8
The thing with Ouro is we will have to deal with his list either way. Because he won't be budging from it. He wants to see someone from the list die. I don't think many ppl are reading him as anything other than town. He made a big enough impact to be read as town and probably have docs or protectors on him. We will also have to get rid of him eventually since he will become a bigger problem the later the game goes. So either way would be giving his list credibility, unless he flips neutral. We can easily say the reason he died was too make the list look more credible. idk. That's pretty much where I stand. We have to deal with him either way. Role block death though, yay. Although in a role madness game maybe that's not the best early die. Haha, I hadn't thought about it. He would most likely have blocked town tonight. That's a good question. I'd probably stand out first and hyper react since that would look bad on me, maybe try to play a framing angle. But from where to go...uh, maybe try and link Cabot with his death if I can. Well, we have all night so no rush Actually I don't have that much time. I have work from 8am EST/5am PST tomorrow (I'm guessing you're all on the American continent) till game start. Depending on how busy it is I can maybe catch some glimpses and stay up to date, but I probably can't be very active. |
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Post by Ty4on on Oct 13, 2016 11:26:11 GMT -8
Ouro wants to see people he's suspicious of die. It's day one and that happens to be a lot of us. Is Ouro a tunneler? IIRC I was scum with him in Dangan but I forget how he was besides being aggressive and aiming for town leaderish status for awhile. Other people can look suspicious and I'm not sure how damnable what we've done really is. Ouro didn't play in Dangan. He ran Archer that season IIRC. |
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Post by ezekelrage on Oct 13, 2016 11:32:07 GMT -8
I don't think I've played with Ouro in a while.
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Post by Barrylocke on Oct 13, 2016 11:38:52 GMT -8
Oh. Then I forget who I played with. I was actually going to nullread him for reminding me of the his play in the Dangan game when I eventually gave more reads. Maybe I still will.
I'd like to propose strong killing him on might 2 when our sniper shot is ready to go. Him dying in a multi-day kill full of chaos sounds a lot more beneficial to my mind then right out of the gate hot on the heels of low info. Maybe some other kills will happen to further obscure things.
I feel like he pushes hard but in a blanket way that makes his attacks look more pointed. That only seems effective to me when town has no ideas? How much have people ACTUALLY been paying him significant mind at the moment? Especially more potent readers like Sophia?
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Post by ezekelrage on Oct 13, 2016 11:43:13 GMT -8
Oh. Then I forget who I played with. I was actually going to nullread him for reminding me of the his play in the Dangan game when I eventually gave more reads. Maybe I still will. I'd like to propose strong killing him on might 2 when our sniper shot is ready to go. Him dying in a multi-day kill full of chaos sounds a lot more beneficial to my mind then right out of the gate hot on the heels of low info. Maybe some other kills will happen to further obscure things. I feel like he pushes hard but in a blanket way that makes his attacks look more pointed. That only seems effective to me when town has no ideas? How much have people ACTUALLY been paying him significant mind at the moment? Especially more potent readers like Sophia? If I read it correctly, only Kyan can get the mafia strong kill. Also we may not have Kyan 2mrw. Either getting lynched or possibly getting killed. |
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Post by Ty4on on Oct 13, 2016 11:44:11 GMT -8
I don't think I've really played with town Ouro. In both games I've played with scum Ouro he survived till the end, but was scum read by the stronger townies. I personally never scum read him though.
In Heist scum got a clean sweep on town, but Ouro was by far the closest of the three scum to being lynched. The other two were *Splinter (constantly lead discussion, wasn't town read, but nobody really were in that game) and Royal Flush (slipped under the radar completely).
In Gafia 2 scum was a little OP. Ouro got called out for seemingly trying to defend scum mate Wee when they were lynched. He asked other people for their votes as a sudden rush approached on Wee. Very weird lynch because it came out of nowhere (last 3 votes on her came within 2 minutes) and there were only like 7 votes on Wee when she got lynched in a game with 20 players at the time. Most of scum were sleeping and didn't notice it. Ouro got under some fire from Burb for his post about voting and claimed neutral (the second neutral mind you) cabot who gave two people drinks with the goal of giving everybody a drink. He was in fact scum's second killer and would kill anyone who received three drinks.
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Post by Ty4on on Oct 13, 2016 12:04:32 GMT -8
Here's Ouro's justification for his reads: I'll answer this one at least. I like Day 1. Seemingly Inconsequential banter and how people react to things are actually decent indicators of alignment, IMO. Barry has been pretty much non-existent this game, and even his "peeking" summary is something I tried to pull in Heist to seem more contributive than I actually was being. Obviously that just happened, but before that post it just felt like something was off. I explained Verelios earlier. Fluff and jumping on my clarification. Low-hanging fruit. Ty I explained too. Entirely too agreeable and seems to discuss very safe topics. Burb I have my eye on, cause I know others don't agree, but he seems a bit more aggressive than usual. Zeke is my newest suspect, giving the same old D1 excuse everyone gives, and I'm confident if he was Town he'd be trying a bit harder. I seriously hope this game isn't so crazy he started with extra info tho. |
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Post by verelios on Oct 13, 2016 12:08:33 GMT -8
That happened in Bloodborne and had me shook, though maybe it's a freak coincidence?
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Post by Ty4on on Oct 13, 2016 12:12:21 GMT -8
That happened in Bloodborne and had me shook, though maybe it's a freak coincidence? That's what worried me  What did kris know BTW? I didn't read it that much. Here's Sorian's pitch for the game regarding mechanics: It does seem really unbalanced if Ouro knew that much and I'm pretty sure most people agreed it was a bad ability. |
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Post by verelios on Oct 13, 2016 12:26:03 GMT -8
He only knew three people, one from each faction that was dangerous to him.
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Post by Ty4on on Oct 13, 2016 12:37:07 GMT -8
Would be a weird ass mechanic and he's too calm for me to be a neutral or hidden partner (lol).
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Post by Barrylocke on Oct 13, 2016 12:46:05 GMT -8
Verelios, how did the bloodborne game play out with you being shook?
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Post by kyanrute on Oct 13, 2016 13:55:12 GMT -8
Honestly I haven't been keeping up at all. I have no opinion about the kill target but I should strongman it for sure. I'm not sure if using the shield tonight is the best play, but I am not against it.
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Post by Ty4on on Oct 13, 2016 14:03:32 GMT -8
Honestly I haven't been keeping up at all. I have no opinion about the kill target but I should strongman it for sure. I'm not sure if using the shield tonight is the best play, but I am not against it. I agree we shouldn't use the kill tonight. Don't think there are that many scum reading one of us hard enough to waste a vig shot tonight. If I block Ouro, how many others are there? |
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Post by Ty4on on Oct 13, 2016 14:04:17 GMT -8
Honestly I haven't been keeping up at all. I have no opinion about the kill target but I should strongman it for sure. I'm not sure if using the shield tonight is the best play, but I am not against it. I agree we shouldn't use the kill tonight. Don't think there are that many scum reading one of us hard enough to waste a vig shot tonight. If I block Ouro, how many others are there? GAH. Use the SHIELD, not kill. |
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Post by verelios on Oct 13, 2016 14:13:49 GMT -8
Verelios, how did the bloodborne game play out with you being shook? Not good. I hesitated on killing Kris when my radars went off since I didn't want to seem suspicious, but I was also paranoid that something was up. |
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Post by Ty4on on Oct 13, 2016 14:24:02 GMT -8
I feel like we should think through how things would look from town's side so let's imagine we're town and we see this happening in the night:
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Ourobolus killed, town
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Ourobolus killed, town
Someone on his list killed, scum
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Random townie killed
Someone on Ouro's list killed, scum
*Ouro still alive*
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Ourobolus killed, town
Random townie killed
What would you think about each scenario?
2 and 3 are effectively the same only in one we kill Ouro and in the other we kill someone else. How do you think discussion would behave with a dead, flipped Ouro versus an alive Ouro who's just had someone on his list flip scum? I know that sounds kinda rhetorical, but it really isn't.
Weird tangent, but while asking the second question this (admittedly unlikely) scenario popped into my head. What if Ouro dies, flips vig/killer, but everyone on his list survives the night? Would you assume he was roleblocked?
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Second, who, if they were a vig, do you think would try to kill one of us? Ourobolus is a super obvious answer. Splinter seemed to scum read me, but I seemed to go a bit down on his scum list later.
AB and franconp both voted for EzekelRAGE. Burb felt uneasy of Kyan at first, but didn't mention him a lot later. I feel it's worth pointing out that Kyan is probably an easy target because he was fairly low activity and doesn't feel like a town asset if town. This obviously depends on the vig, but I think most players would have an easier time shooting someone less active.
Ouro is kinda the obvious target for a block because if he is a vig then it's pretty certain he's going to try to shoot one of us. Do you feel Ouro could be a vig? He claimed tracker then laughed at it.
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Third, if we do use the shield, what do you think as a vig, cop, tracker, whatever targeting one of us if you get no result? Would you report that to the thread? Would you consider it townie or scummy?
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Post by verelios on Oct 13, 2016 14:59:55 GMT -8
I'd report it to the thread, it's nothing to hide anyway besides a bullet proof power.
Though I really won't survive if I'm not NK'ed the night after
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Post by verelios on Oct 13, 2016 15:05:09 GMT -8
In regards to people who might just shoot us, I have
1.Cabot (I'm sure he might hit Zeke just because)
2.Sophia (acting weird all day, she's either neutral or has a good PR)
3.Splinter (Not getting a good feeling)
4.Lol Ouro, the moment one us die (3/5 chance we'll get hit) his last night probably won't be so great unless he can stop a strong man kill.
But then we're definitely down 3 people in the worst case scenario
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Post by verelios on Oct 13, 2016 15:07:55 GMT -8
Hypothetically, 1 and 4 are workable while 2 and 3 has just enough probable cause town would latch onto them like rabid beasts.
So yeah, please don't die guys
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Post by Ty4on on Oct 13, 2016 15:18:56 GMT -8
In regards to people who might just shoot us, I have 1.Cabot (I'm sure he might hit Zeke just because) 2.Sophia (acting weird all day, she's either neutral or has a good PR) 3.Splinter (Not getting a good feeling) 4.Lol Ouro, the moment one us die (3/5 chance we'll get hit) his last night probably won't be so great unless he can stop a strong man kill.
But then we're definitely down 3 people in the worst case scenario Unless Ouro is a commuter then nothing can stop the strongman: Redirecting I assume means switcher. Oh God, it'd be so great if someone switched Ouro and claimed |
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Post by Ty4on on Oct 13, 2016 15:20:47 GMT -8
Hypothetically, 1 and 4 are workable while 2 and 3 has just enough probable cause town would latch onto them like rabid beasts. So yeah, please don't die guys Would it make a difference if one of us dies tonight or later? If we win this game it'll probably be with some casualties. |
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Post by verelios on Oct 13, 2016 15:41:21 GMT -8
Oh yeah, definitely. So long as it isn't the very first night I can think of it as a casualty of war.
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Post by ezekelrage on Oct 13, 2016 16:01:39 GMT -8
Yea would suck on the first night, which is why I suggested the shield be used. We can work on distancing ourselves more next day phase. But this day phase random connections were made that it would be like a domino effect if one of us dies 2night.
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