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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 26, 2016 1:06:11 GMT -8
There's no particular reason for me asking you to do this. Just thought it might come in handy down the line. uh what if i said i don't believe you on that bit why shouldn't i? Ok, I don't blame you. I won't argue with you about it.
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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 26, 2016 4:46:02 GMT -8
So, will you do the honors?
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 26, 2016 11:04:55 GMT -8
You have a whole lot of explaining to do when you get back.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 26, 2016 11:11:32 GMT -8
-Why did you breadcrumb me and not claim yourself? I thought you didn't want to claim yet -How was I supposed to save TheG by claiming? -What did you believe would happen by throwing me out there? I already told you here I didn't trust TheG so why did you put that on me? -Your reads on everyone, please. Yes, even if you null read them.
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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 26, 2016 18:04:41 GMT -8
-Why did you breadcrumb me and not claim yourself? I thought you didn't want to claim yet -How was I supposed to save TheG by claiming? -What did you believe would happen by throwing me out there? I already told you here I didn't trust TheG so why did you put that on me? -Your reads on everyone, please. Yes, even if you null read them. - I thought you wanted to claim. I waited as long as I could, I posted in this thread but you didn't reply. It's as you said, if one of us were to die then the other would be free to do whatever as suspicion would not fall on them. Us being in different time zones doesn't help. - That wasn't what I meant when I said "Save TheGoddamn", I know you didn't agree with me but having caught up with the thread that's not how I felt. It was directed more at town. It wasn't suppose to mean that I wanted you to help me save him. - Ok, I was wrong to do that. Sorry if it cost town the game. - Reads 1. roytheone [m] - null 2. Sophia [f] --> StarSketch [f] - leaning town but uncertain 3. Dusk Soldier [m] - read scum, but having posted end of day as the vigilante I might have been wrong 4. Blargonaut [m] - null 5. Bronx-Man [m] 6. Ty4on [m] 7. SalvaPot [m] - null 8. Fireblend [m] - null 9. Royal_Flush [m] 10. Darryl [m] --> TheGoddamn [m] 11. El Topo [m] 12. melonrabbit [f] - scum 13. Unmasked Ferret [m] - read town based on my interactions with him 14. Gorlak [m] - null, his usual aggressive self like in Harry Potter 15. Sawneeks [f] - reading town 16. Hyperactivity [m] --> Barrylocke [m] 17. Lone_Prodigy [m] - scum 18. Ynnek7 [m] - read town, could be wrong 19. StanleyPalmtree [m] - read town, could be wrong 20. Kawl_USC [m] --> *Splinter [m] - slightly town but wouldn't be surprised if he was scum 21. nin1000 [m] - town??? 22. Verelios [m] - maybe scum? I know Royal_Flush was pretty hard against him 23. Christina Mackenzie [m] - town, says so in my PM, didn't play a good town game.
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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 26, 2016 18:07:41 GMT -8
Easier to read.
1. roytheone [m] - null
2. Sophia [f] --> StarSketch [f] - leaning town but uncertain
3. Dusk Soldier [m] - read scum, but having posted end of day as the vigilante I might have been wrong
4. Blargonaut [m] - null
7. SalvaPot [m] - null
8. Fireblend [m] - null
12. melonrabbit [f] - scum
13. Unmasked Ferret [m] - read town based on my interactions with him
14. Gorlak [m] - null, his usual aggressive self like in Harry Potter
15. Sawneeks [f] - reading town
17. Lone_Prodigy [m] - scum
18. Ynnek7 [m] - read town, could be wrong
19. StanleyPalmtree [m] - read town, could be wrong
20. Kawl_USC [m] --> *Splinter [m] - slightly town but wouldn't be surprised if he was scum
21. nin1000 [m] - town???
22. Verelios [m] - maybe scum? I know Royal_Flush was pretty hard against him
23. Christina Mackenzie [m] - town, says so in my PM, didn't play a good town game.
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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 26, 2016 18:23:47 GMT -8
So, chocolate ice cream?
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 26, 2016 19:21:09 GMT -8
The greatest #Scumtell of them all what about it? o:
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 26, 2016 19:36:16 GMT -8
- I thought you wanted to claim. I waited as long as I could, I posted in this thread but you didn't reply. It's as you said, if one of us were to die then the other would be free to do whatever as suspicion would not fall on them. Us being in different time zones doesn't help. - That wasn't what I meant when I said "Save TheGoddamn", I know you didn't agree with me but having caught up with the thread that's not how I felt. It was directed more at town. It wasn't suppose to mean that I wanted you to help me save him. - Ok, I was wrong to do that. Sorry if it cost town the game. - Reads - I wanted to claim, yes. However most of our discussion on the previous page was how you wanted to wait and hold off on claiming for as long as possible as it would 'throw more suspicion' on you. What made you change? And yeah, being it radically different timezones suck. I was asleep when you made your initial post. :c - Ah, okay. I misinterpreted it then. I thought you were saying that I was going to claim and somehow help out TheG by doing so. Seems it confused a lot of people, actually. So did you believe TheG was Town, then? If so, why? - Doesn't answer my question. You see where the disconnect is here, right? I believed that you did not want to claim at all so when you suddenly breadcrumbed that in the main thread I was confused. You were rather adamant about it here, what made you change your mind? - Your Scum reads are: Verelios, Splinter, LP, Melon, and Dusk. I've read the ups-and-downs for most of them but could I ask for you to elaborate on Melon and LP for me? Thank you.
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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 27, 2016 4:29:52 GMT -8
- What you said about letting other trainers know we were already captured made sense. Give them other targets to hit.
- I believe a lot of suspicion on him was because of his initial vote against Sophia which was later cleared up by StarSketch when she said that TheGoddamn didn't get the message that his capture command was successful. Also I didn't believe in the town vigilante and couldn't see why scum TheGoddamn would capture town El Topo and later NK kill when he revealed himself. Reading his last few posts I also didn't get the feeling that he was scum trying to avoid the lynch.
- Answer #1 above -- I got worried if I was wrong about you and trainers being able to catch town Pokemon, then would you have gotten away with it as scum? I decided to just say that you had something you wanted to share with town, you can claim it was your idea to come forward like it was in this thread. If I was the one to step forward with the claim I worried you might think I was trying make it look like it was my idea. -- If I were lynched or NK, no one else could verify your captured status. -- Some vain hope that people wouldn't lynch TheGoddamn if someone who was captured like myself spoke for him.
- melon, I guess it's just again mostly because of her vote on me before the end of day 3. Maybe a scum player wouldn't have thrown a vote on me like that. LP I've played with the most I think, he's someone I look at for good reads when I'm town and when I'm mafia he's incredibly town. This game I'm not reading that at all. Sorry, no hard evidence, just gut reads.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 27, 2016 12:56:11 GMT -8
-What happened to not wanting to claim yet because it would bring attention to us? We don't even 100% know the alignment of the Trainers so how did helping them outway your desire to keep quiet and stay safe?
-His initial vote on Sophia was a major point, yes. But as was his constant Roleblock, something that could have been incredibly detrimental to the Cop/Doctor if they ended up getting caught, and it is a role that is inherently anti-Town to start with. Did you Town read Darryl at the start of the game? I don't quite remember. :x
- Hmmm, okay. I believe I see where you're coming from.
- If you see Melon's vote like that, what do you think of Stan's vote? I see where you're going with LP though. He typically plays a strong Town game but I'm not seeing that here either, he is coasting more so than he normally does.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 27, 2016 13:13:00 GMT -8
well...
Sigh. I feel like we probably could have worked this out better if we had more time. Now that you have explained your thoughts more I can see where you're coming from I suppose, or at least my gut read of you can see where you're coming from as a Townie. I initially took your 'let's wait it out' as a way to keep me from revealing so you could quietly NK me the following Night Phase and not be brought out into the spotlight. Not to mention wanting to not appear scummy all the time as one of your main reasons for wanting to stay hidden. I read that as someone backed into a corner and looking to bide time, aka a Scum player who didn't think someone else would pop in here after Ty was going to get the ax.
Unless you're playing the whole 'apologetic scum' card here in order to win me over, in which case well played, I'm starting to feel like this is just a huge misunderstanding...
I don't know, I could still be wrong, but I see no reason not to believe Dusk's claim. Especially considering he came out at the start of the Day phase going 'smells like vigilante justice' when 2 people turned up dead and then explained why a Vig would shoot Topo. Him lying like that also isn't a very Dusk Thing to do, I think he is being truthful and will more-than-likely try to shoot you tonight.
Was there anything else you want to post just in case you are NKed? I already got your reads, but any thoughts on people or connections ( if X flips Scum it might be Y as well ) would help as well.
I still plan to look at Stan and Blarg, also Melon now that you mention it, but I still feel like I'm looking in the wrong place. I'll give Splinter a closer inspection as well, same with LP.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 27, 2016 13:17:45 GMT -8
This is really starting to feel like PiR all over again
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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 27, 2016 20:17:35 GMT -8
-What happened to not wanting to claim yet because it would bring attention to us? We don't even 100% know the alignment of the Trainers so how did helping them outway your desire to keep quiet and stay safe? -His initial vote on Sophia was a major point, yes. But as was his constant Roleblock, something that could have been incredibly detrimental to the Cop/Doctor if they ended up getting caught, and it is a role that is inherently anti-Town to start with. Did you Town read Darryl at the start of the game? I don't quite remember. :x - Hmmm, okay. I believe I see where you're coming from. - If you see Melon's vote like that, what do you think of Stan's vote? I see where you're going with LP though. He typically plays a strong Town game but I'm not seeing that here either, he is coasting more so than he normally does. - I'm not sure what more I can say about it. It feels like I'm going in circles. - I don't think there's a cop/doctor role in the game. If there is then it's possible to still win this game late on once they reveal themselves. If TheGoddamn had caught a mafia player then it would have been to town's advantage. I didn't feel strongly about Darryl Day 1. - I not sure what to make of Stan's random vote. Maybe it's worth trying to pressure him.
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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 27, 2016 20:33:54 GMT -8
I count 17 players ATM, let's say 2 kills tonight then it's 15 players at the start of Day 4. Assuming 5 scum, that gives town maybe 3-4 days left supposing Dusk_Soldier is town and stops killing townies. I can't believe that Dusk would kill El Topo just because his claim was slightly different from ours. Even I thought El Topo was more likely to be town than lying. Having a slightly different role PM was entirely possible. www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=217884572&highlight=#post217884572We know he's not on Team Gabe or Team Trump. He must be Team Gaga. He might have killed El Topo because of the superior win condition. That also makes him the only trainer left if his claim is true. Can a trainer still catch Pokemon and use their original PR?
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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 27, 2016 20:48:12 GMT -8
FWIW, I figured out on Day 2 that Ty4on was my trainer. I made a slip up on Day 1 that outed me not being a trainer at all. www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=216848965&postcount=169If I was a trainer I wouldn't have made that mistake as the info would have been in my PM. And as a trainer I wouldn't intentionally make that mistake cause other trainers would discover me. I half expected to be captured on N1 but on the other hand I was very scummy looking during the day so the trainer would be taking a chance with me. Just before the start of Day 2, I did get the captured PM and on the start of Day, Ty4on comes out saying he thinks I'm town. www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=217321611&postcount=916melonrabbit was the first to question it but it's only natural as she's suspicious of me from before. www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=217324071&postcount=922If I figured Ty4on was a trainer, others might have done so as well.
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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 27, 2016 20:50:12 GMT -8
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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 27, 2016 20:50:38 GMT -8
Sorry, the above should read "I did breadcrumb".
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 27, 2016 20:57:01 GMT -8
You have to remember that El Topo was getting a bit of heat in the first 2 Day Phases. Dusk could have seen that, plus a claim of being caught that did not line up with what he knew, assumed Topo was Scum and shot him for that.
Unless Dusk is pulling a very elaborate lie, his "If the vig was a pokemon, and he/she had been captured N1. They would have known Topo was lying about having discussions with his trainer." statement lines up with Barry dying on Night 1 and passing on the Gaga power to another player. This means Dusk would have been targeted and received that new info on Night 1, saw Topo's claim which did not match up with what new info he got, and decided that Topo was probably lying and was likely to be Scum. I'm not sure why else he would jump in this last Day Phase with 'smells like vigilante justice' and give a weird reason for why a Vig would shoot Topo seemingly out of nowhere.
Unless he is actually Scum and they decided to come up with this weirdly situational lie in order to hide an extra kill I'm assuming he is telling the truth.
Not to mention it just kinda...seems like something he would do? If there was something I learned from the last game it's that Dusk does what he feels is right no matter what. :x
For that last part, I don't know. Normally people have to pick between PRs when doing Night Actions but seeing as Trainers are a special case that may not be what's happening here. If he can do both then it's likely there is 1 person in a chat by themselves right now who could verify that someone is Gaga and is recruiting people.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 27, 2016 21:09:20 GMT -8
Hahaha, that was pretty subtle, well done.
and since I'm up, some math.
Assuming 2 kills tonight, this leaves 15 players remaining in the game. Since we started with 23 players we can assume there is probably 4-5 Scum players as well as a possible Neutral. To simply this I'll say there are 5 Scum with the possibility of 4 Scum + 1 Neutral. Seeing as our win condition is to destroy all the forces that would disrupt Town, I think assuming a 3rd party would be the safest route.
This would break down into 18 Town and 5 Scum ( or 4 Scum + 1 Neutral )
This means that starting on Day 4 we will be at 15 players total, or 10 Town and 5 Scum. Day 5 ( assuming Dusk is out of shots/Scum don't have an extra kill ) - 8 Town and 5 Scum Day 6 - 6 Town and 5 Scum
Meaning that Day 6 would become LyLo.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 27, 2016 21:12:44 GMT -8
-What happened to not wanting to claim yet because it would bring attention to us? We don't even 100% know the alignment of the Trainers so how did helping them outway your desire to keep quiet and stay safe? -His initial vote on Sophia was a major point, yes. But as was his constant Roleblock, something that could have been incredibly detrimental to the Cop/Doctor if they ended up getting caught, and it is a role that is inherently anti-Town to start with. Did you Town read Darryl at the start of the game? I don't quite remember. :x - Hmmm, okay. I believe I see where you're coming from. - If you see Melon's vote like that, what do you think of Stan's vote? I see where you're going with LP though. He typically plays a strong Town game but I'm not seeing that here either, he is coasting more so than he normally does. - I'm not sure what more I can say about it. It feels like I'm going in circles. - I don't think there's a cop/doctor role in the game. If there is then it's possible to still win this game late on once they reveal themselves. If TheGoddamn had caught a mafia player then it would have been to town's advantage. I didn't feel strongly about Darryl Day 1. - I not sure what to make of Stan's random vote. Maybe it's worth trying to pressure him. Personally I hope this is the case and the Cop is just bidding some time to get more checks in on people so we can narrow down our focus in the coming Days. Even if they don't get a red check on anyone having a few people cleared would help tremendously. If there isn't a Cop or a Doctor I'm going to write a very strongly worded letter to Burb.
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Post by Christina Mackenzie on Sept 28, 2016 5:28:06 GMT -8
I didn't have a chance to go over the day's events again but if LP isn't the main suspect for tomorrow, Blarg is another option. I agree with you he's been more useless than usual.
The good thing if I'm NK tonight is tomorrow won't be spent arguing about my alignment like Sophia on Day 2.
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Burbeting
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Post by Burbeting on Sept 28, 2016 11:13:03 GMT -8
This chat is now private Sawneeks playground.
Rip team Newell
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 28, 2016 12:09:59 GMT -8
aw yisss
Always wanted a place where I can scream into the void.
And I can keep my gifs here so I won't have a dozen tabs open for future use.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 28, 2016 12:10:34 GMT -8
Does this mean I can still get the Superior Win condition
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Post by Burbeting on Sept 28, 2016 12:13:14 GMT -8
No. Since the superior win condition needs the normal win condition to happen first (aka. all scum dead), you couldn't have reached it in the first place.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 28, 2016 14:32:04 GMT -8
Can't get that superior win
Ouro never came back to life on Day 4
And I'm not a Tauros
You got to stop breaking my heart, Burb. ;c
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Burbeting
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Post by Burbeting on Sept 28, 2016 14:48:21 GMT -8
I also didn't let you troll Christina here.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 28, 2016 14:52:20 GMT -8
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We're through, Burb.
I'm sorry but we can't be friends anymore if it means you keep crushing my hopes like this.
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Post by Sawneeks on Sept 28, 2016 14:54:01 GMT -8
I even asked nicely if I could troll CM!
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