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Post by eltopodelgaf on Sept 23, 2016 16:06:00 GMT -8
I think this game is going to be rough for scum.
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Post by eltopodelgaf on Sept 23, 2016 16:08:43 GMT -8
Also I'm really sad I didn't get to role claim Detective Pikachu.
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Burbeting
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Post by Burbeting on Sept 24, 2016 0:45:06 GMT -8
Scum chat is doing some serious work.
The trainers give multiple benefits for both town and scum, so they also give out multiple constraints as well.
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Post by Flush on Sept 24, 2016 1:36:42 GMT -8
I just love what scum Team is doing in terms of communication. Blarg is a mad genius.
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Post by eltopodelgaf on Sept 24, 2016 3:02:59 GMT -8
I don't know. Blarg is probably likely to get lynched due to his nonsense posting. I think should I ever be in another game with Blarg, I'll policy lynch. It's incredibly annoying and distracting.
And not in the fun way.
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Post by crimsonfist on Sept 24, 2016 5:09:08 GMT -8
Blarg gets lynched when he actually tried so contribute, when he just posts nonsense, people ignore him, even if he's outright claimed scum.
And yeah, scum chat is insane.
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 5:49:14 GMT -8
Blarg gets lynched when he actually tried so contribute, when he just posts nonsense, people ignore him, even if he's outright claimed scum. And yeah, scum chat is insane. Scum stuff I think they need to be prepared for a bus though because once a wagon forms on him it can really gain speed. People are usually annoyed in one way or another and need a tipping point to vote him out. |
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 5:53:53 GMT -8
Secret to communicating in code seems to be a rich vocabulary  I'm curious in anyone will notice Sawneeks speaking in a more... Blargian way |
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 6:00:58 GMT -8
Secret to communicating in code seems to be a rich vocabulary I'm curious in anyone will notice Sawneeks speaking in a more... Blargian way Probably not. Weird connection for most of them to make.
This here was kinda interesting:
Because there isn't anything in my role PM saying I don't roleblock pokemons.
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 6:15:33 GMT -8
I think The Goddamn is probably the worst town lynch for town thinking outside of roles. He's low profile enough it won't make people seriously rethink their reads and most people kinda ignored him until D3 so there aren't a lot of reactions to look at. Maybe there's something in Roy and Sawneeks' recent attack on him, but town usually lead lynches.
They're probably both on scum's shortlist, but I think melonrabbit needs to gain Splinter's trust and vice versa. Feels like he couldn't shake off his suspicion of her.
Splinter might be cooling off on Sophia and does seem to be rethinking stuff after Flush' flip.
Curious about more of Ferret and Verelios' thoughts. They both made some correct reads that went against the flow, but Ferret especially hasn't shared most of his thoughts. |
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 10:42:25 GMT -8
To those confused the Pokémon trainer win condition (at the very least mine) isn't that hard. I'm town so I have to win as town regardless, but if my Pokémon team is the biggest I get the superior win condition. I still win if town wins and my team isn't the biggest, just not as hard I'm pretty sure it's the same for Pokemons. First win as your original team, then achieve superior win if your Pokemon team is the biggest. Those who know my team is made up of Christina Mackenzie and Sawneeks understand I'm never winning even if town magically ends up beating scum >_> |
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Post by crimsonfist on Sept 24, 2016 11:20:05 GMT -8
I wonder if Blarg's obsession with breadcrumbs will backfire considering his entire scum communication plan is built around breadcrumbs |
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 11:55:24 GMT -8
 I'll answer you Crimson when I get home. |
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Post by Sophia on Sept 24, 2016 12:40:02 GMT -8
*reads scum chat*
omg, all my gut reads were right
well played scum team.
Well, I can calm down now reading that.
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Post by Sophia on Sept 24, 2016 12:50:12 GMT -8
I won't lie. I didn't want to bow out and give up, but that game was downright *infuriating* Every time I kept pointing out how crappy people were playing and naming examples, it kept getting derailed to me. Seemed like half the players in that game weren't even interested in playing. Scum team was just doing as they please, really. Unless there's a terrible vote pattern or a bad slip on her part, Sawneeks has probably won this game for her team alone |
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Post by Sophia on Sept 24, 2016 12:58:08 GMT -8
"I have no idea what Sophia was doing with the Darryl thing day 1, Darryl's posts seem the same as usual to me. Then again I'm pretty sure Sophia is more perceptive than I am >.>;"
Guess I'll let my secret about Darryl out: When I say that he's not being as aggressive as usual, I mean he probably has a power role. He plays passive when he has something to hide.
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 13:13:09 GMT -8
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 13:19:43 GMT -8
"I have no idea what Sophia was doing with the Darryl thing day 1, Darryl's posts seem the same as usual to me. Then again I'm pretty sure Sophia is more perceptive than I am >.>;" Guess I'll let my secret about Darryl out: When I say that he's not being as aggressive as usual, I mean he probably has a power role. He plays passive when he has something to hide. Is there any policy on leaving notes for the replacement to read |
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Post by Sophia on Sept 24, 2016 13:19:49 GMT -8
You're fine. I do admit I was starting to suspect you of bneing scum, but only because I was spreading stuff too thin and I realized one of the top posters HAD to be scum with the way things were playing out. |
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Post by Sophia on Sept 24, 2016 13:20:43 GMT -8
"I have no idea what Sophia was doing with the Darryl thing day 1, Darryl's posts seem the same as usual to me. Then again I'm pretty sure Sophia is more perceptive than I am >.>;" Guess I'll let my secret about Darryl out: When I say that he's not being as aggressive as usual, I mean he probably has a power role. He plays passive when he has something to hide. Is there any policy on leaving notes for the replacement to read Well they're going to figure it out when they see the pokemon trainer chat anyhow. |
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 13:38:48 GMT -8
Is there any policy on leaving notes for the replacement to read Well they're going to figure it out when they see the pokemon trainer chat anyhow. Oh right, forgot about that You're fine. I do admit I was starting to suspect you of bneing scum, but only because I was spreading stuff too thin and I realized one of the top posters HAD to be scum with the way things were playing out. I think scum me will really struggle to emulate a tunnel like that. I dread the next game I'm scum in. My scum read of you IIRC was thinking that I saw scum me in your posts. When I was scum I thought "Hey, town me asks questions", but got stuck in a loop only asking questions. When I failed to see the logic in your early questions it reminded me of that. That first vote was partly a scum read, but also partly because things calmed down and I wanted to create some discussion hence zero reasoning so it grabbed attention. Like most of my techniques though it's mostly shitflinging and seeing what happens -_- |
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Post by Sophia on Sept 24, 2016 14:05:00 GMT -8
Well they're going to figure it out when they see the pokemon trainer chat anyhow. Oh right, forgot about that You're fine. I do admit I was starting to suspect you of bneing scum, but only because I was spreading stuff too thin and I realized one of the top posters HAD to be scum with the way things were playing out. I think scum me will really struggle to emulate a tunnel like that. I dread the next game I'm scum in. My scum read of you IIRC was thinking that I saw scum me in your posts. When I was scum I thought "Hey, town me asks questions", but got stuck in a loop only asking questions. When I failed to see the logic in your early questions it reminded me of that. That first vote was partly a scum read, but also partly because things calmed down and I wanted to create some discussion hence zero reasoning so it grabbed attention. Like most of my techniques though it's mostly shitflinging and seeing what happens -_- Yeah, I wouldn't have been that careless if I was scum. I'd probably still be an active "town leader" tho. Certainly no double voting gambits for the luls to try and spark discussion. I really regret not pushing for Blarg now, and also not trusting my gut more tho. I was gut reading a lot of stuff right, but I was spreading myself too thin to make up for the lack of active discussion among a fraction of our townies. |
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 14:36:48 GMT -8
Oh right, forgot about that I think scum me will really struggle to emulate a tunnel like that. I dread the next game I'm scum in. My scum read of you IIRC was thinking that I saw scum me in your posts. When I was scum I thought "Hey, town me asks questions", but got stuck in a loop only asking questions. When I failed to see the logic in your early questions it reminded me of that. That first vote was partly a scum read, but also partly because things calmed down and I wanted to create some discussion hence zero reasoning so it grabbed attention. Like most of my techniques though it's mostly shitflinging and seeing what happens -_- Yeah, I wouldn't have been that careless if I was scum. I'd probably still be an active "town leader" tho. Certainly no double voting gambits for the luls to try and spark discussion. I really regret not pushing for Blarg now, and also not trusting my gut more tho. I was gut reading a lot of stuff right, but I was spreading myself too thin to make up for the lack of active discussion among a fraction of our townies. Trust me, nothing can go wrong when you follow your gut >_>
Seriously though I genuinely think being overconfident is a good thing in Mafia. There are rarely good answers so you have to go on a limb. You'll be wrong, but you'll really know when and can (hopefully) fix what is wrong.
That's not why I do it. I'm just like that <_< |
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Post by Sophia on Sept 24, 2016 14:58:11 GMT -8
Yeah, I wouldn't have been that careless if I was scum. I'd probably still be an active "town leader" tho. Certainly no double voting gambits for the luls to try and spark discussion. I really regret not pushing for Blarg now, and also not trusting my gut more tho. I was gut reading a lot of stuff right, but I was spreading myself too thin to make up for the lack of active discussion among a fraction of our townies. Trust me, nothing can go wrong when you follow your gut >_>
Seriously though I genuinely think being overconfident is a good thing in Mafia. There are rarely good answers so you have to go on a limb. You'll be wrong, but you'll really know when and can (hopefully) fix what is wrong.
That's not why I do it. I'm just like that <_< Being overconfident also allows you to be active, and high activity among town players seems to win GAFia games easily from what I've seen. Mini Mafia for example we totally owned because all the players were so active and we caught the others in a psuedo scumtell. In contrast, if even a fraction of players are being inactive, under-confident, or overly passive, it can benefit scum. Especially now that people are shying away from the "Lynch the inactives" meta that Royal pointed out. |
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Post by Sophia on Sept 24, 2016 15:20:10 GMT -8
I just looked at scum chat and... ... even they're complaining about being unable to get any reads on D2. Wow. |
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 15:24:11 GMT -8
Trust me, nothing can go wrong when you follow your gut >_>
Seriously though I genuinely think being overconfident is a good thing in Mafia. There are rarely good answers so you have to go on a limb. You'll be wrong, but you'll really know when and can (hopefully) fix what is wrong.
That's not why I do it. I'm just like that <_< Being overconfident also allows you to be active, and high activity among town players seems to win GAFia games easily from what I've seen. Mini Mafia for example we totally owned because all the players were so active and we caught the others in a psuedo scumtell. In contrast, if even a fraction of players are being inactive, under-confident, or overly passive, it can benefit scum. Especially now that people are shying away from the "Lynch the inactives" meta that Royal pointed out. Mini mafia seemed to be a lot of things clicking and townies overlapping each other. Like Kawl was pretty much alone on Hyper for a while and I really wonder if town would've lynched melonrabbit and Terra/Sorian without Yeeny. I guess though it is a good argument for activity because I don't think any lone townie scum read every scum without other townies pointing out what was scummy.
I do think the "don't lynch actives" meta is a bit misguided. I understand its reasoning (trying to keep active townies in the game), but I feel it is misunderstanding the problem. Players that stick out are put under too much scrutiny (generally) which lead to a lot of active townies, whom stuck out with their activity, to be lynched. I think the main issue is an overemphasis on scum reads and underemphasis on town reads. Sounds bad when I've made this many wrong town reads, but if you're suspicious of everybody you're suspicious of nobody.
Also active players need some fire under their feet and it felt very much on D1 like part of town just ignored them because they weren't going to be lynched anyway.
I can't hard to comment on stuff in hindsight unbiased, but given that you were the main topic for a while it might have been beneficial for you to enmass more votes, regardless of whether you got lynched, so that the D1 lynch wasn't decided by like 5 votes and turned into the trainwreck it was. You being lynched would've been bad ofc, but the Bronx lynch didn't relieve any pressure. He was just the easy target. |
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Post by Sophia on Sept 24, 2016 15:35:00 GMT -8
Being overconfident also allows you to be active, and high activity among town players seems to win GAFia games easily from what I've seen. Mini Mafia for example we totally owned because all the players were so active and we caught the others in a psuedo scumtell. In contrast, if even a fraction of players are being inactive, under-confident, or overly passive, it can benefit scum. Especially now that people are shying away from the "Lynch the inactives" meta that Royal pointed out. Mini mafia seemed to be a lot of things clicking and townies overlapping each other. Like Kawl was pretty much alone on Hyper for a while and I really wonder if town would've lynched melonrabbit and Terra/Sorian without Yeeny. I guess though it is a good argument for activity because I don't think any lone townie scum read every scum without other townies pointing out what was scummy.
I do think the "don't lynch actives" meta is a bit misguided. I understand its reasoning (trying to keep active townies in the game), but I feel it is misunderstanding the problem. Players that stick out are put under too much scrutiny (generally) which lead to a lot of active townies, whom stuck out with their activity, to be lynched. I think the main issue is an overemphasis on scum reads and underemphasis on town reads. Sounds bad when I've made this many wrong town reads, but if you're suspicious of everybody you're suspicious of nobody.
Also active players need some fire under their feet and it felt very much on D1 like part of town just ignored them because they weren't going to be lynched anyway.
I can't hard to comment on stuff in hindsight unbiased, but given that you were the main topic for a while it might have been beneficial for you to enmass more votes, regardless of whether you got lynched, so that the D1 lynch wasn't decided by like 5 votes and turned into the trainwreck it was. You being lynched would've been bad ofc, but the Bronx lynch didn't relieve any pressure. He was just the easy target. The Bronx lynch is what happens when I get cold feet because I start town reading someone, but had seemingly 0% support from the rest of the town players to back me up. So I panicked and voted deadweight. In retrospect, it would have been better if El Topo died TLDR: Should have listened to my gut this entire game, instead of my head. |
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Post by Ty4on on Sept 24, 2016 16:07:00 GMT -8
Mini mafia seemed to be a lot of things clicking and townies overlapping each other. Like Kawl was pretty much alone on Hyper for a while and I really wonder if town would've lynched melonrabbit and Terra/Sorian without Yeeny. I guess though it is a good argument for activity because I don't think any lone townie scum read every scum without other townies pointing out what was scummy.
I do think the "don't lynch actives" meta is a bit misguided. I understand its reasoning (trying to keep active townies in the game), but I feel it is misunderstanding the problem. Players that stick out are put under too much scrutiny (generally) which lead to a lot of active townies, whom stuck out with their activity, to be lynched. I think the main issue is an overemphasis on scum reads and underemphasis on town reads. Sounds bad when I've made this many wrong town reads, but if you're suspicious of everybody you're suspicious of nobody.
Also active players need some fire under their feet and it felt very much on D1 like part of town just ignored them because they weren't going to be lynched anyway.
I can't hard to comment on stuff in hindsight unbiased, but given that you were the main topic for a while it might have been beneficial for you to enmass more votes, regardless of whether you got lynched, so that the D1 lynch wasn't decided by like 5 votes and turned into the trainwreck it was. You being lynched would've been bad ofc, but the Bronx lynch didn't relieve any pressure. He was just the easy target. The Bronx lynch is what happens when I get cold feet because I start town reading someone, but had seemingly 0% support from the rest of the town players to back me up. So I panicked and voted deadweight. In retrospect, it would have been better if El Topo died TLDR: Should have listened to my gut this entire game, instead of my head. Haha, I town read El Topo AND L_P Grr, angry I town read them so quickly. Sawneeks as you pointed out needs scum MVP. I can't quite remember the post, but I read back at Christina Mackenzie's posts on D2 to see if my town read was too generous and as I glossed over a post by Sawneeks I thought "Argh, why can't you be as townie as Saw, CM?" >_> |
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Post by Sophia on Sept 24, 2016 16:13:39 GMT -8
The Bronx lynch is what happens when I get cold feet because I start town reading someone, but had seemingly 0% support from the rest of the town players to back me up. So I panicked and voted deadweight. In retrospect, it would have been better if El Topo died TLDR: Should have listened to my gut this entire game, instead of my head. Haha, I town read El Topo AND L_P Grr, angry I town read them so quickly. Sawneeks as you pointed out needs scum MVP. I can't quite remember the post, but I read back at Christina Mackenzie's posts on D2 to see if my town read was too generous and as I glossed over a post by Sawneeks I thought "Argh, why can't you be as townie as Saw, CM?" >_> She's really doing good. I feel like I could have caught her if I hadn't gotten so upset, but otherwise she's flown under my radar more or less. |
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Post by Sophia on Sept 24, 2016 16:18:17 GMT -8
If anyone is curious... Darryl/TheGoddamn is the trainer. Due to a mistake, he accidentally ended up voting for me because he didn't realize his catch was successful. I had to throw shade and show my double vote to remove suspicion from him. We also started suspecting all the trainers were not scum, and we were right it seems. Also regarding scum team That code stuff they're doing is BRILLIANT. |
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