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Post by batsnacks on Jul 23, 2016 8:55:43 GMT -8
this is a thread for mafia
these are your roles
2x (Hyperactivity and melonrabbit)
1x (Terrabyte20xx)
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jul 24, 2016 13:42:07 GMT -8
Hey Scum buddies, what up!
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 13:45:15 GMT -8
Niiice, was wanting to be scum
Alrighty then, #1 rule of being scum
1)Relax!
Because 99% of the time, someone that's suspicious of you doesn't have much to back it up, half the votes are going to go based off of how they "feel", and no one will be analyzing your every little post. As scum, you're also prone to both know that you're scum, making you take votes and suspicion on yourself and think that's because they're right, they're onto something. In general, you do want to avoid making mistakes that tell everyone else that you have an idea of what the setup is like, especially with a game like this
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 13:46:41 GMT -8
We need a name...
Any ideas? I'm thinking something to do with giants, but plain old "The Giants" doesn't sound right
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 13:57:58 GMT -8
Alright then, we start with a pretty sizable advatage because we have an idea of what the power roles are. Here's the link I'm looking through: wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2BGiven our setup of two goons and a roleblocker, this is what we know was drawn: Meaning that, in the case of 4 Ts, there are 3 power roles (2 masons = 1 pr), and in the case of 3 Ts, we have 4 power roles and a serial killer. C is most likely to be drawn, DVM are in the middle, B least likely. That's all we can figure out for now, I think. Didn't notice it at first, but 1 M draw only leads to an innocent child, which is auto revealed at the start of day 1, so we'll know about that.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jul 24, 2016 14:03:42 GMT -8
How about M.O.U.S? Mafia Of Unusual Size?
Also, I will say that while my GAFia scum track record is not the best, I feel really good about this one!
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 14:15:31 GMT -8
How about M.O.U.S? Mafia Of Unusual Size? Also, I will say that while my GAFia scum track record is not the best, I feel really good about this one! That's pretty damn good. I'm cool with M.O.U.S. You were scum in GAFIA 1 and WWE, right? You got fucked over in GAFIA 1 from the day 1 lynch, and still made it pretty damn close, and all I heard about WWE was that scum was OP and strange things happened. And this is melon's first time being scum. Welcome, you're soon going to learn to enjoy being scum far more than being town Tbh, my scum record isn't that great either, I haven't made it past day 3 as scum yet. Although, if this is supposed to be abotu 4 days long, that'll be a pretty nice accomplishment
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jul 24, 2016 14:20:00 GMT -8
How about M.O.U.S? Mafia Of Unusual Size? Also, I will say that while my GAFia scum track record is not the best, I feel really good about this one! That's pretty damn good. I'm cool with M.O.U.S. You were scum in GAFIA 1 and WWE, right? You got fucked over in GAFIA 1 from the day 1 lynch, and still made it pretty damn close, and all I heard about WWE was that scum was OP and strange things happened. And this is melon's first time being scum. Welcome, you're soon going to learn to enjoy being scum far more than being town Tbh, my scum record isn't that great either, I haven't made it past day 3 as scum yet. Although, if this is supposed to be abotu 4 days long, that'll be a pretty nice accomplishment You forgot Woof 2 where the vig killed me night 1... My usual problem with being scum is a lack of activity due to not having to scum hunt, usually leaving me wide open to attack and with no real defense to mount. I'm trying to figure out how to fix that though.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 14:22:07 GMT -8
Yeah, just checked the numbers.
Scum, 1-shot vig, sk make it to the end: 13 players, 10, 7, 3 Scum, sk make it to the end: 13, 10, 7, 4 Scum, 1-shot vig make it to the end: 13, 11, 9, 7, 4 Scum only: 13, 11, 9, 7, 5, 3 SK days, say day 2: 13, 10, 8, 6, 4
Yeah, so we have about 4-6 day phases. This game will be 8-12 days long.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jul 24, 2016 14:32:12 GMT -8
I really hope there is not an SK in this game, as the smaller pool greatly favors that roll.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 14:46:36 GMT -8
That's pretty damn good. I'm cool with M.O.U.S. You were scum in GAFIA 1 and WWE, right? You got fucked over in GAFIA 1 from the day 1 lynch, and still made it pretty damn close, and all I heard about WWE was that scum was OP and strange things happened. And this is melon's first time being scum. Welcome, you're soon going to learn to enjoy being scum far more than being town Tbh, my scum record isn't that great either, I haven't made it past day 3 as scum yet. Although, if this is supposed to be abotu 4 days long, that'll be a pretty nice accomplishment You forgot Woof 2 where the vig killed me night 1... My usual problem with being scum is a lack of activity due to not having to scum hunt, usually leaving me wide open to attack and with no real defense to mount. I'm trying to figure out how to fix that though. Just try to post normally. I tend to have a lot of trouble with more detailed reads lists myself, you tend to have to actually prepare them a bit. A couple ideas I guess: 1) We have an SK in the game, so look for him. Don't say you're just looking for the SK, scum have in the past looked for neutrals, but if you think someone is the SK, you might be safe saying they're scummy. 2) If someone accuses you, or anyone for that matter, and in your head the logic doesn't really follow, you can question it, add to a list of things about a person that make them scummy. In previous games people would sometimes accuse me, correctly, but the main thing I would think is: "That's an ABSURD reason to think I'm scum. That's how I'm supposed to get caught?!" 3) If you find yourself arguing with someone, you could use that as a one of many reasons you might find someone scummy. It just sorta flows better tl;dr: Just point out when someone's doing something that's odd. Making dumb accusations, overly quiet, etc. You can get pretty far without ever putting names to a list (doing this from the start is alot harder), and then you go back and look at who did what and what you commented on for scum accusations. Also, after say your first or second scummy players, you can rely on players other players find scummy, reasons they give. As long as you occasionally have those people you specifically are coming up with reasons to find scummy, no one should call you out on it
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 14:57:05 GMT -8
I really hope there is not an SK in this game, as the smaller pool greatly favors that roll. I was thinking about the SK. As long as we have 3, or even 2 players left, if we manage to find them, I see no reason to not keep them alive. Say: Night 1: Roleblock say, Kawl_USC the SK (if I get this right..) Night 2: Dont block kawl, check if he was sk/vig Night 3: Depending on how many scum we have left, and who kawl suspected in the game, we do or don't kill him If we manage to get 3 players to that point, we're probably pretty safe, and can use kawl for extra kills. We can even try to send signals to him, try to threaten him (although this isn;t really an exact science, we tried to do this in harry potter and in only worked in that neutrals will play for themselves.) If we're in a teetering position, and no one in town is onto him, I'd probably kill him then. Neutrals don't want scum to all die immediately, although they, at the end of the day, still can be a major swing factor. In any case, we'll know by the beginning of day 2, unless we got REALLY lucky.
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Post by melonrabbit on Jul 24, 2016 15:11:48 GMT -8
First time ever being Mafia in Mafia. I'm so excited for my heel turn What's the best way to approach this?
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 15:20:08 GMT -8
First time ever being Mafia in Mafia. I'm so excited for my heel turn What's the best way to approach this? Don't worry about it too much. If you're having trouble finding "scummy" people to accuse and go after, look for inconsistencies, arguments that don't have mch logic behind them, etc. Btw, given that this game is so much smaller, we probably should be bussing one another if it comes down to one of us or another person. At least one of us should, we're gonna need someone that can survive till the end.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 15:21:04 GMT -8
Oh, and feel free to feel frustrated about the game or players in here, that tends to help. Or just point funny coincidences or stuff. Scum chat is a fun place to be.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jul 24, 2016 15:28:06 GMT -8
#2 rule of scum: TALK!
Tge biggest advantage we have that a LOT of scum teams fail use is the fact that we can talk to each other. We should talk about everything, how funny something is, some scum play from townies or even prospective gambits.
But also make sure to LISTEN. The biggest mistake that all scum teams can make (which most have, btw) is getting impatient and not waiting on the advice of the rest of the team. Don't ignore it, and wait for us to get a say. Following this and Hyper 's rule 1 will be the keys to our success.
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Post by melonrabbit on Jul 24, 2016 16:27:55 GMT -8
Just to recap I'm understanding you correctly, Hyper.
There's the 3 of us and the 10 others. And given the roll we are unsure, at the moment, if it was TTT or TTTT. Which leaves the possibility of a SK. So we have to be careful, but a SK in the longrun might be beneficial to us.
You also mentioned the Innocent Child. I've never played a game with one. What if anything can they do. I assume they are town, yes?
Oh. And I like M.O.U.S!
P.S. What is everyone's timezone/region? I'm US, EST.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 17:16:30 GMT -8
I'm US Central Time
Innocent Child, at the beginning of day 1, gets revealed to everyone as being town. The reason 1 M is that, while 2 Ms is a regular mason pair, is that in terms of townies that are confirmed, they are oe and the same
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 18:11:16 GMT -8
One of the things that's really nice about the set up is that for fake claims we can use some of the roles given if we ever get nearly lynched, especially the combinations that have a less likely chance of happening (like claiming 1-shot roleblocker - possible, yet improbable, so the chances of a counterclaim are much less)
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Post by melonrabbit on Jul 24, 2016 18:56:13 GMT -8
Yes, Hyper,
That's probably the smartest thing to do. Laying low in such a small sized game isn't going to cut it. Fake claims or taking a (semi) active leadership role and steering the town is probably our best bet to succeed and of course, busing as needed.
I think we can do this as long as we communicate often.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jul 24, 2016 19:28:40 GMT -8
I am also US Central so we seem to be signed up in terms of time zones.
I would like to avoid fake claims if possible. They are nearly impossible to keep up in the long run and with such a high count of Ordinary Townies a claim would just make you suspicious when you haven't died yet.
Loudmouths tend to automatically get leadership status so we should aim for that. Also, in early game we should try to take opposing stances and slow converge as the game goes on. In theory it will keep us from getting caught as we will not be agreeing the entire game nor distancing.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 22:18:31 GMT -8
Yeah, fake claims should be avoided if possible, but with us knowing more about the setup, and the probability of certain roles, I was saying that we can work to avoid counter claims.
Terra, leading town and posting alot is big, but it also doesn't mean that much. For one, all the players will be posting a decent amount and having their own views. Two, they're REALLY suspicious if they're alive by end game. The end game leaders that come in later are typically much more influential in how the game turns out, and even then, when the LYLO comes around, everyone gets their own say.
Controlling the conversation is pretty damn useful, it's just that I'm looking over the player list and I doubt we can get all the high activity players by the end game.
There should be about 3 or 4 ordinary townies. SPEAKING OF WHICH: there are ZERO trackers or watchers, which means it's open town on claiming an ordinary townie. What's better is that claiming this will make town underestimate how powerful scum is. And if town realizes the scum team isn't what they thought it was, there should be enough ordinary townies left to cast suspicion all around.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 24, 2016 22:20:00 GMT -8
Think I'm going to avoid the pre-written post this time around, Sorian's probably got it handled and I'd rather not deal with annoying undue attention
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Post by melonrabbit on Jul 25, 2016 2:55:11 GMT -8
re: Fake claims
Fair enough.
I'll home from work between 6 and 6:30 and will be active then.
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jul 25, 2016 13:57:05 GMT -8
Kawl going straight to power role speculation is... interesting.
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Post by melonrabbit on Jul 25, 2016 14:19:28 GMT -8
Yes. That was super strange. First question out of the gate.
Something about Kristoffer also seems a little off to me.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 25, 2016 14:25:54 GMT -8
Fair warning here, I will be bussing throughout this entire game, if the opportunity ever presents itself. That doesn't mean I'll be actively hunting you guys down, or force the hostility if it's not really there, but if I find something strange about either of your posts, I'm probably going to go after it. I will try to give you guys a fair warning.
The thing is that we shouldn't really be risking, in such a small game, pairs of us getting caught together. The chance of a mason pair are pretty low to begin with.
Main thing that's sorta weird here is that there's no real way of telling why Kawl is doing this. Yeah, you have a WIFOM situation, but it's basically black or white: is kawl scum or not? At least personally, I would call this out for being a pretty easy vote, bUT also one that doesn't surprise me given previous reactions to out of the gate players in GAFIA
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Post by Terrabyte20xx on Jul 25, 2016 14:35:15 GMT -8
Fair warning here, I will be bussing throughout this entire game, if the opportunity ever presents itself. That doesn't mean I'll be actively hunting you guys down, or force the hostility if it's not really there, but if I find something strange about either of your posts, I'm probably going to go after it. I will try to give you guys a fair warning. The thing is that we shouldn't really be risking, in such a small game, pairs of us getting caught together. The chance of a mason pair are pretty low to begin with. Main thing that's sorta weird here is that there's no real way of telling why Kawl is doing this. Yeah, you have a WIFOM situation, but it's basically black or white: is kawl scum or not? At least personally, I would call this out for being a pretty easy vote, bUT also one that doesn't surprise me given previous reactions to out of the gate players in GAFIA I'm kinda trying to take advantage of my meta, I always vote in my first post so I figured I throw some shade in a way that won't hurt me long term.
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Post by melonrabbit on Jul 25, 2016 14:37:15 GMT -8
Yeah, I was thinking of keeping separate mostly and buddying up with townies.
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Post by Hyperactivity on Jul 25, 2016 14:58:05 GMT -8
This is fun XD
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